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Are Muslims permitted to lie? Yes.

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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:36 AM
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Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers."  The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit.  If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"  The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.




posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..."  The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture.  They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

..... out of context? certainly not.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."  Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy.

Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence.  The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:44 AM
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From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2)-
 " Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it.  When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

" One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie. "



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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and your point is?
It sounds like your just made a thread to say hey Muslims lie! big deal everyone lies...

Edit: ahhh i see your point now! i just noticed your signature.
So when the romans went around and asked where jesus is and he's followers were shrugging there shoulders and saying i don't know. Thats lying right there. And lying is never permitted according to google and the bible! So the guy that told on jesusbwas actually the only good christian there
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3
and your point is?
It sounds like your just made a thread to say hey Muslims lie! big deal everyone lies...


An entity which encourages lying and represents lies as righteousness is only spawned out of the very depth of hell.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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hey are you ready for may 21st?
i bet you sold your house and everything



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3
reply to post by steven704
 


hey are you ready for may 21st?
i bet you sold your house and everything


No one knows the time. Only the Holy Father.

Christians musn't listen to specific dates as ' factual '.. but every man is correct with the yearning of ' getting right with GOD '
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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your ignoring my first post.
But what ever you obviously just made this thread for F&S



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Bixxi3
and your point is?
It sounds like your just made a thread to say hey Muslims lie! big deal everyone lies...

Edit: ahhh i see your point now! i just noticed your signature.
So when the romans went around and asked where jesus is and he's followers were shrugging there shoulders and saying i don't know. Thats lying right there. And lying is never permitted according to google and the bible! So the guy that told on jesusbwas actually the only good christian there
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Whatever you are referring to, The LORD never instructed them to lie.

Christ never instructs any man to lie.

He is the Way THE TRUTH and the Life. His Spirit is Truth.
if they lied they did so out of fear not by instruction.


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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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You have misrepresented much of what you have posted.

Islam does not permit lying.



Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers."


This is interpreted by Muslims as meaning that people who conspire against Islam are doing so in vain since God is infinitely more powerful than they are, it's nothing to do with telling Muslims to be decietful, it is describing a characteristic of God as in control of everything.




Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"


This is a description of what characterises every decision a Muslim makes, intention. One must have this before prayer etc. This verse is saying that regardless of what your misjudgements lead you to do, it is your intention which will ultimately be judged by God, not the mistake you made but why you made it. "Actions are but by intentions". For example one could intend to pray but misjudge where the Ka'aba (where Muslims face during prayer) is, but because they intended to face the Ka'aba their prayers are still valid. This is what this verse is referring to.

The Quran DOESNT say Muslims aren't allowed to take non-Muslims as friends



"Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers." [3:28]


It states that they shouldn't seek to be allies/friends with non-believers INSTEAD OF the Muslims.




"He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."


I can't find fault with this quote, in fact I'd agree with it 100% as would most people. Anything and everything should be done to make peace between people, if that means embelishing the truth then so be it.

If he is a liar, that is his problem, and if he is truthful, you benefit from his promises. Surely, GOD does not guide any liar. Quran 40:28



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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OH im really sorry i forgot that the bible tells us lying is ok when your scared of death.my bad

and what can i say i can't help but be a "troll" when someone spreads hate
its not very christian of you.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Look at my post, the Quran doesn't permit a Muslim to lie...



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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People allow themselves to lie.
To others, to themselves, etc.
It's hardwired, and I think it kicks in around 3 years of age.
A bit after that, we all get a little better at it misrepresenting the truth,, and learn to use it to our advantage..
Even the tiny white ones..Lies.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Sorry i always forgot sarcasm doesn't show to well here. or you just missing the point. So i'll move on to another point.
The bible isn't very innocent its very easy to post quotes and paint everyone with the same brush. look
(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan...But there were not enough women for all of them..."Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!... So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.



Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)


Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)



However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


you get the idea


P.S jesus lied

And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)


we no thats defiantly a lie...
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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im going to leave this thread because it is to tempting to insult you.
btw i didn't report you. im guessing a mod saw your post and thought it was against the T & C
good day


edit: ooooo my first rival on ATS yey! you'll always be special to me

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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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This goes along quite well with what the OP quoted from the koran of the muslims:

JOHN 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a LIE, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

So if the koran says muslims can lie....and it says they can commit murder in order to spread their religion...then what does that say about them according to what Jesus said above ↑

But in the Holy Bible it is a sin to lie, and to commit murder. Go figure?

p.s. : can't believe this just got moved to the RANT forum in order to hide the truth. Good job girls....deny ignorance my foot.

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