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You do believe the bible to be literal right? and today we cant even come close to doing any of these type of unnatural things depicted in the bible. Thats what I want to know.
Originally posted by daggyz
So the Bible is a forgery.
Forgery means exact copy of the original but not the oiginal.
So in actual fact you are exactly right (thats the nature of any book) and at the same time you are totally wrong in your own intention.
Hilarious on both accounts.
Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
But is it realy necessary to go into all those details, to stich together such a tapestry, just to disproof the claim that the Bible is a forgery? How could the Bible be a "Forgery"? It can only be such if one sees in it, thinks of it something which it is not. But in that case, the fraud does not lie in the Bible as such, but in the head of the one who passes the judgement.edit on 18-5-2011 by CarlitosAmsel because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Jim Scott
While I do appreciate facts, it seems this post is another useless attack on Christianity, for whatever reason. For centuries, attacks have been made against the Christian church. ATS members spend a lot of their time and talents working up these attacks. I suppose there is some cleansing that they feel if they get it off their chest, but I have yet to see any substantial information.
Following Jesus' alleged resurrection, John 20:14-16 says: [Mary] saw Jesus standing; and she knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith to her, "Woman, why weepest thou? Whom seekest thou?" She, thinking it was the gardener, saith to him: "Sir, if thou hast taken him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away." Jesus saith to her, "Mary." She turning, saith to him "Rabboni" (which is to say, Master).
In other words, Mary only knows that it's Jesus because of his way of speaking, his mannerisms, and his presence.
This is the most important section of the Christian Gospels, and of the entire Christian religion. What is truly astounding about it is that it represents the clearest possible proof that the central belief of Christianity is false. This passage from the Beloved Disciple proves beyond any doubt that the claim being made regarding Jesus Christ was not that he was resurrected but rather reincarnated, a spectacularly different concept.
Further evidence of Jesus' radically altered appearance is provided in the following passages:
Mark 16:12 And after that he appeared in another shape to two of them walking, as they were going into the country.
"Another shape"? They mean a different body - reincarnation.
Luke 24:15-16 And it came to pass, that while they talked and reasoned with themselves, Jesus himself also drawing near, went with them. But their eyes were held, that they should not know him.
"But their eyes were held, that they should not know him?" Why not? What did he have to hide? Was he playing mind games? If he had been resurrected in his old body, why was he so reluctant to show himself properly, and instead creating doubt in the minds of his anxious followers? Or is this another passage showing that he was in fact in a new body because he had been reincarnated?
No wonder Doubting Thomas was so doubtful: he literally couldn't believe his eyes because the person in front of him clearly didn't look anything like Jesus.
John 21:4 But when the morning was come, Jesus stood on the shore; yet the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.
Why not? Because his appearance was entirely different thanks to the fact that he was in a new body as a result of reincarnation.
John 21:12 Jesus saith to them, "Come, and dine." And none of them who were at meat, durst ask him, "Who art thou?", knowing it was the Lord.
Why would they be tempted to ask Jesus who he was if he looked exactly like his former self, so clearly he didn't? As with the incident involving Mary Magdalene, it is Jesus' presence that identifies him, not his appearance, which is manifestly utterly different from his previous appearance.
Ask any Christian to rationalise these passages from their "infallible" Gospels. Ask them why they are not regarded as definitive proof of reincarnation rather than bodily resurrection. If bodily resurrection had indeed taken place, no one would have had the slightest difficulty recognising Jesus Christ.
So, which is the greater cover-up: the fact that Jesus was married and had children, or that Jesus was not resurrected at all, but reincarnated? Either way, both are deadly to the Christian faith.
Christians pour scorn on the idea of reincarnation, yet it is staring them right in the face in their own most sacred scriptures. Isn't that extraordinary? One hundred percent of Christians lack the vaguest idea of the truth of what they profess to believe. They will take their "faith" to the grave with them, and it will be entirely in vain. Christians quite literally don't understand the first thing about the truth of Jesus Christ. Few of them have actually taken the trouble to read their "sacred" texts and those that have are too brainwashed and stupid to see what is right in front of them.
Originally posted by leejohnbarnes
Originally posted by taccj9903
Does this mean that the rapture and the beginning of the end of the world won't be happening this Saturday? Dang it, I was planning on partying with strippers and going out with a bang.
Sorry mate - there wont be any rapture this weekend.
Trying to find the date of the Rapture in the Bible is like trying to find the date of the Rapture in the Readers Digest.
It aint gonna happen.
It never has and never will.
Spiritual liberation comes from the Christ within, not from without.
edit on 17-5-2011 by leejohnbarnes because: (no reason given)edit on 17-5-2011 by leejohnbarnes because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by shamaniski
Can you explain how all the miraculous things happened in the bible like Moses splinting the red sea, noahs ark, basically every book has examples of miracles and unnatural occurrences. Can you explain the scientific aspect of them and not just a simple "god did it answer". You do believe the bible to be literal right? and today we cant even come close to doing any of these type of unnatural things depicted in the bible. Thats what I want to know.edit on 18-5-2011 by shamaniski because: (no reason given)