US gov doesn't want to see their slaves leave : makes it harder to get a passport

I doubt we will ever see the DS 5513.

Everything online is still using the DS 11, with no mention of the ds 5513. I did find one article about this form and it was dated may 6, but it was basically a blog and it was saying that in the next few days we will be using this form. Kind of like the world is going to end tomorrow and when it doesn't, people say it is going to end the next day.

Does anyone really think they are going to require us to fill a form out that asks our mothers employment during our birth?

But you guys go ahead and use the fire breathing smiley and talk big and bad.

reply to post by jude11


Then I suggest you ask for more clarity but the article implies this does not target all but "some" meaning....??? The radar is obviously targeting a certain group, thats quite clear.

No surprise here. Give them your life story even and you mightbe able to able to apply. What's the "turn down" process?

Only certain people will have to take it?
-younger people
-people who don't look polished for "normal" society
-ethnic looking people
-criminal background?
How do you know the person giving the passport that day might just be having a bad day and not like you because you look like their ex husband or despised mother-in-law? Have a trendy haircut or look under age...gotta take the test!

-Next up, your credit score will be added. Owe a bunch of money? To bad, banks, etc., put a hold on accessing your score, you also are blocked from a Visa.

45 mins? More like 45 hours plus for some people who may not have the info already recorded.

If you don't have one already, get it ASAP!

reply to post by Vitchilo


Holy fricking crap!! That is a lot of information and who the hell keeps all that anyway for god's sake. I had a hard enough time going back 7yrs for addresses on my job offer acceptance paper work today. I mean do they really need all that?!


How can they do this? Will people actually comply with this or just not get one? I mean this is over board, that is a lot of personal information and useless information just to leave the country?!



Good thing I just got mine in November, guess I better get to France while I still can.

You don't need a passport to leave the U.S. - it's just that, most of the places people -want- to go tend to require you to have a passport when you get there.

Further - this seems like one of those instances where the people who should never be making decisions got left alone without their baby-sitters (who actually do know what they are doing), and decided to make some policy decisions that should never be.

The work-load for processing applicants just shot through the roof. Should this actually be used - it's going to increase the frequency of transcription errors as the current staff are going to be horribly understaffed. This undermines the very reason this type of data would be collected. Further - half of these applications are going to be partially filled out - just like job applications. And - just like job applications, those of us who fill the whole thing out will never get a call while those who fill in half of the damned thing and practically write "I don't care" on their application will be accepted the next day.

The other thing is that none of this is really going to be used for the vast majority of applicants. It only serves to overwhelm the system and make it easier for those who should be 'flagged' as suspicious to disappear in the flood of irrelevance. Most of the data cannot be verified with the resources available - did I really live at 5238 N. Hawkshire Rd. in Sunnyville Illinois? Does that address even exist? Is it residential - or a warehouse (where tons of doctors treat medicare patients)? Systems like automated databases and the internet make some of that practical - they can ensure you're not using blatantly false addresses or living in the same two-bedroom house as 500 other people claim to have for the year of 1983 - but that's not exactly going to stop identity fraud.

I also don't know many people who stalk their neighbors from years past and keep valid contact information. I may get bored and type someone's name into google or something, wondering if someone I used to know has made any e-splashes, but that's about it.

In the end - I think the application will be self-defeating. So few people are going to be able to provide all of the "required" information that sub-par applications will end up being approved simply out of practicality. It won't stop identity fraud or terrorists, either. Identity fraud will simply become more sophisticated - rather than paying people for personal information, 'selling your word' as a reference and falsifying rental papers will become a new part of the industry. Got vacant rooms in your rental houses/apartments? Sell them on the black market to recoup some losses and draft up a few documents to give the impression someone was living there if you're asked.

And we've seen with a number of incidents that people can decide to kill each other irregardless of nationality. A native-born young man can sympathize with Jihadists in the middle east and decide to freak out and kill people - no falsification of documents required - no "this guy is trouble" evident from records of where he lived. Or he could just be hopped upon PCP. Doesn't really matter why he's killing people when you're in the line of fire.

10. What type of document, if any, did your mother use to enter into the United States before your birth?

I think question 10 explains who 'some' is referring to.

Originally posted by AmorVincitOmnia
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Not okay. Very interesting though, here's the full list of questions:
papersplease.org...

Is it just me or would it be utterly impossible for anyone else to remember every address they've lived at since birth?

edit on 16-5-2011 by AmorVincitOmnia because: (no reason given)

I'd normally agree, but I'm 42 and just came up with the 8 addresses I've ever lived at. Your results may vary!
Is this just for new passports, or renewals as well? Mine comes up for renewal in a few years.

It states in the OP that it won't be everyone. Maybe they run your name through some Intel database and see if your a violent criminal? or connecting to any (extreme Islamic) radical groups. Now i saw islamic because i believe the gov does racial profile.Now im not saying its right or wrong just saying untill we know more info that i agree with this guy

Originally posted by Vitchilo obviously they are targeting a certain group, therefore, it does not apply to all whom apply for a passport.

The Op is over reacting!

But on the other hand im also feeling this

Originally posted by jude11
I know it's law but I still have a hard time coming to grips with "Who the Hell can tell me where and when I can travel MY Earth?

" no matter how flat you make a pancake theirs always 2 sides...)

EDIT: wow looking over those questions now im thinking WTH? I bet 90% of the population of america(speculative off course) Couldn't answer these Questions!It seems to specific. but then again untill we know more details...

EDIT again: I did some amazing google skills and found this is the proposed change so it might not even get through(over reacting much?).But im definitely going to get my passport sorted out quick! just incase

OKAY on ONE condition: I'll fill out mine after I publicly hand one to the Pres and receive his completed one back.We are after all citizens of the same machine..Thankfully I renewed ours lastyear.

I got my passport a few years ago, but I'm wondering about the renewal process??

Also, for those of you who say "Jump ship" before it sinks...well......If I jump ...then where do I swim?
What country is going to want an American in thier country? And..... what about citizenship in another country if the USA won't allow you to give up their citizenship. Would I be deported back to the US in a few years then?
Too many questions.......
Feeling a bit screwed either way.

I literally applied for a renewal just yesterday...

It will be here by next week

Originally posted by Janky Red
I literally applied for a renewal just yesterday...

It will be here by next week

that's good to know. Thanks

My husband and o got our passports on 2002. Right know I could not think of a better decision i have ever made. Ae have discussed maybe leaving USA
first time he or myself ever felt this way
USA is on a fast pace downward
and i thank god i have an option to leave

There’s light at the end of the tunnel. (Irish)

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Sometimes it's just a cataract :@)

Originally posted by AmorVincitOmnia
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Not okay. Very interesting though, here's the full list of questions:
papersplease.org...

Is it just me or would it be utterly impossible for anyone else to remember every address they've lived at since birth?

edit on 16-5-2011 by AmorVincitOmnia because: (no reason given)

No way could I answer that question. My dad's work required that we move where work was, so sometimes we moved many many...many times in one year. Jeesh I don't even remember all the towns we lived in much less the freaking addresses.

Harm None
Peace

Thousands of illegal immigrants come through our boarders per year, try and stop me from walking out.

America is starting to suck the big one big time.

Think of it this way. The American govt is my wife. She is suppose to take care of me and support me so I can build a good future.

But it seems my wife (American Govt) is having an affair and lying to my face about it. She is sleeping with the international globalist greed-mongers. She is helping them to take advantage of me and loot anything they want. She is helping them do all kids of disgusting things.

Can you blame me if in my fit of psychopathic rage I commit crimes of passion?

FWIW I found this:

The Biographical Questionnaire for a U.S. Passport, form DS-5513, is used to supplement an application for a U.S. passport when the applicant submits citizenship or identity evidence that is insufficient or of questionable authenticity. Passport Specialists and Consular Officers will use this form to collect additional information to further establish the identity and/or citizenship of a passport applicant who has not submitted adequate evidence with his/her passport application.

Linky

I also noticed on page 2, Section C of the actual form that if your birth was recorded you can skip the entire section of (utterly ridiculous and impossible to answer] questions. The explanatory form also says 74,000 applicants a year will need to use this form. The passport office issued 12 million passports so we're looking at a little more than 1/2% (.006) of applicants being required to use the form.

If you were born in the US and your birth was recorded, you don't have to use the form. Also, primary identification includes:

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. passport
Naturalization Certificate
Valid Driver's License
Current Government ID (city, state or federal)
Current Military ID (military and dependents)

So in light of this information the title of the US government not wanting its slaves to leave is a bit ludicrous. I thought we were supposed to deny ignorance here? At least have the presence of mind to check into this a bit before sounding the clarion call of alarm.

reply to post by schuyler


So this policy of using the "long form" for passport applications is an exception rather than the rule.
Thanks for clarifying that.