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Pretty Damning Evidence against the Obama Birth Certificate.

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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Well after going through the content offered up here, I think I feel confident in saying this kerning argument holds no weight. Though I am sure birthers will continue to offer more "proof" as they have been. This offering did catch my attention, but has led to an overall, "meh".

Do I think Obama's got some skeletons in his closet? Hell yea, he wouldn't be politician if he didn't. Do I think his BC is one of them, probably not.




posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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They weren't really electronic they were electric they had motors and belts and pulleys. The character was made by striking a ink impregnated ribbon. Electrics were more consistent but there were a lot of variables how much the ink the ribbon had left, wear on the ball or striker bars etc. Remember to this doc was scanned which will add a little dithering. Perry Mason would always bring in a typewriter expert who could match the document to the typewriter like fingerprints.

Typewriter talk is a walk down memory lane. But I'm old - its all I've got anymore



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Judge_Holden
How many more straws will these birthers pull at before they realize that their argument is baseless? No matter what evidence they present--no matter how laughable it is--they just keep coming back.
Denial is a very powerful thing. Understand that, at this point, we’re not dealing with an evidence-based movement.

The few birthers that remain are like religious fanatics — no amount of evidence will ever convince them, because their position is based on their beliefs. They strongly believe that Obama can’t possible be the legitimate President of the United States, so everything gets filtered through that.

Every statement by a state or government official confirming Obama’s birth in Hawaii, means he is in on the conspiracy. Every piece of evidence that contradicts their beliefs is false and part of the cover-up.

Even the absence of evidence — no Department of State records documenting Obama’s entry, as a baby, in the United States from Kenya; no naturalization records; no Kenyan birth certificate; etc — is further proof, to them, that Obama was born in Kenya and the conspiracy is massive in scale.

Birtherism, it’s a cult now.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Lighterside
Well after going through the content offered up here, I think I feel confident in saying this kerning argument holds no weight. Though I am sure birthers will continue to offer more "proof" as they have been. This offering did catch my attention, but has led to an overall, "meh".

Do I think Obama's got some skeletons in his closet? Hell yea, he wouldn't be politician if he didn't. Do I think his BC is one of them, probably not.


Personally, I don't think it's conclusive either way, but I believe it's worthy of further investigation.
edit on 16-5-2011 by wcitizen because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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As I have said countless times since the White House released that abomination of a birth certificate, it is fake. Anyone who thinks it is real, this is what I would like you to do. If you have Photoshop, or Adobe Illustrator, go download the pdf file the WH has on their website, if it is still there, and open it up in one of those programs.

Open the layers dialog box, and enjoy being incorrect. That does NOT happen unless it was digitally built, layer upon layer. IMPOSSIBLE. It's FAKE.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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It doesn't really matter how many times you say it. That doesn't make it true.

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Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
That does NOT happen unless it was digitally built, layer upon layer.


You know not of what you speak. Actually, if you optimize the file, it DOES indeed create layers. A member actually did it here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The whole "layer" thing has been debunked. Here's a video that shows someone else doing it.



edit on 5/16/2011 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Caji316
as I said before...it doesn't matter where that inbred was born, if something like him can even be born, ..Where he/it messed up is backing that fake certificate and announcing to the American people that it was real....This is what will get him/it, if anything....


Wow, "it" huh? I bet you say that about all the.......

As for the birth certificate, even if you birthers are right, it doesn't matter, nothing will ever get done. Get over it.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:31 AM
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Disproven a thousand times already and to keep on rehashing this does not make it true as yesterday is wasn't true so what does anyone think that tomorrow or next week, month or year that the answer will be any different!!

Get a life and if this is all you bring to ATS leave this site please!



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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ok thats all fine and dandy. ive seen all i need to see about this to make my mind up. but the question isnt was it faked but why was it faked? why was it so easy to find? what is to come from this? probly nothing. theres always 2 sides to a story just which 1 is he telling???


and just so im clear im not a racist i just search for the facts.
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Judge_Holden
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This is the evidence? This is the proof that Obama's birth certificate is fraudulent? I'm sorry, but a video from a religious fanatic using Wikipedia as his main source is downright laughable; the author of this video has absolutely zero credibility. Want proof for that claim? Just watch the rest of his paranoia-filled videos.



I don't believe in UFOs / Aliens... (well I do, but not in a traditional sense) but does that mean I should ignore ATS totally?

People can always filter information and choose what to believe. Judging a book by it's cover, huh?


EDIT: You do make a point with Wikipedia though.

Someone replied in youtube saying:

For what it's worth, the IBM Selectric Typewriter, introduced in July 1961, just before Obama was born, was the first typewriter to allow kern type. Looking at the type in the 2 birth certificates shown, it is clear tat they were typed on different machines. Because the latter one showed no kerning is no proof that the earlier one was not typed in an IBM Selectric.


Any thoughts on this?
edit on 17/5/2011 by ADEzor because: added "EDIT:" part



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 05:22 AM
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well, that must be some weird typewriter, because some letters are proportionally spaced and some letters take up an entire space.

and this isn't even his original birth certificate, it is a copy of it. why doesn't he show his actual birth certificate and let the media take pictures of it.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by randomname
well, that must be some weird typewriter, because some letters are proportionally spaced and some letters take up an entire space.


True, in a sense this proves certain parts of the birth sertificate being photoshopped, no?



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by randomname
and this isn't even his original birth certificate, it is a copy of it.
Of course it’s a copy. Everyone’s birth certificate is a copy. Even the one people get when they are born — the ‘original’ — is a copy of something that gets stored in the state’s Department of Health.


why doesn't he show his actual birth certificate
Obama doesn’t have his ‘original’ birth certificate anymore.

So, doing what everyone does when they don’t have a copy of their birth certificate anymore, he went to the Department of Health (of Hawaii) and asked for a copy of his birth certificate. The state gave him this certified copy of his birth certificate. That’s, for all intents and purposes, his birth certificate. It’s a certified and legally recognized document.


and let the media take pictures of it.
He let the media take pictures of it. And what good did it do? To the birthers the media outlets that took pictures of his birth certificate and said it was authentic and legitimate automatically became part of the conspiracy.

If Obama still had his ‘original’ birth certificate and had released it, the birthers would be asking for the “real original birth certificate,” the one in the Department of Health. Guess what, that’s what was released now. It came directly from the internal records of the Department of Health.

Whatever Obama or the state of Hawaii do, whatever they release, it will never convince the small minority of birthers that still remain. Because it’s not about the birth certificate. They just pretend it is.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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I have yet to see where anyone has asked the people that certified this certificate.

Though I am absolutely as certain as I will be on the fast track to hell come Saturday - that these people are in on the fix and their families were threatened or they were paid extraordinary amounts of gold ingots, and the promise of living in luxury in a large underground city during the tribulation.

Because - you know - we cant have one of those people in the White House. It says that somewhere in the constitution, at least that is what I was told by Mr. Beck.

And the chicken keeps getting plucked.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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This is a bunch of crock. You can only compare (2) of the same letters not (1) different letter in kerning.

For example, when you apply kerning, your adjusting the space between (2) of the same letters like an (op). Once you kern those two letters, those letters will always have the same amount of space between them. You can't compare an ot, because the spacing between those letters have to be kerned. Give it a rest.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Judge_Holden
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This video is coming from a guy with an agenda. Obviously, you fall into that agenda.



The visual evidence of the character spacing, is what nails it for me.


Are you sure it's the "visual evidence of the character spacing" that convinces you the birth certificate is a fraud? Are you positive? Or is it something else?



Is it something else? Sounds like you are fishing here... I wonder what you could be fishing for.... OK, I can't help it anymore... IT'S BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. There, are you happy now? Even when someone points out a legitimate concern with the BC... pathetic.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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Obama is not black, he has no influence on the decisions or direction of the country, or it's laws. Obama will never be shown as a unnaturally born citizen, even though he is one, simply because he is a well trained puppet, and he serves his purpose to his masters.

I've been a skeptic about his birth since day one, and will remain so. This crusade of people calling skeptics crazy, insane, racist, and other garbage, should really be banned from ATS. This is a forum of skeptics, not the CNN forums.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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It's really not reaching far, questioning his BC. The man is a fraud. We have every right to question EVERYTHING about him.
Interesting article about Obama's identity fraud (SS#):

www.thepostemail.com...



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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This is so crazy and I think you guys need to get over it cause you won't be able to prove that the birth certificate is fake. And thats just my humble opinion on this topic for the birthers. A good birther knows when to accept defeat.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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Seriously? You guys are still here going on about this stuff. Dont you get bored with yourselves? I'm surte you are missing out on all kinds of neat stuff and possibly a real reason to impeach Obama, but you will never see it cuzz you are stuck on this lame duck. For the good of your own selves I think you may want to accept this is a losing argument and search for a new tactic. May the force be with you.




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