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"THE SMOKING GUN"YesI Obama's Validation of Birth Was Signed, Recorded and Filed-In Hawaii!!

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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by truther357
Look at the liberal 'crybabies' ..'talk the talk'..can't document anything they say..The 'TRUTH' is getting them down and they have nothing else to post, but their narrow-minded ignorance.


Liberals can talk the talk and evidently we have already "walked the walk" yet the idiots still think he was born in Kenya which reeks of racism. Not one person can prove he was born in Kenya so the real crybabies are those racists who will stop at nothing to disprove this and when proven wrong they resort to character assassinations and insults because Right Wing Neo Nazi news tells them to do so.




posted on May, 17 2011 @ 12:52 AM
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LOL... I'm sorry, but the links in the OP just post stuff to fit their agenda. I don't support Obama, but all that communist crap is overkill.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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I don't think I'll be providing links here, since I'm sick of doing so. I don't care about Obama's birth certificate. I do, however, care about the Constitution. I do care that our forefathers decided to "go with Vattel" and even mention the Law of Nations in the Constitution. The Law of Nations says that citizenship follows the father. Obama's father was Kenyan, therefore, no matter where Obama was born he is not a natural born citizen. There is a difference between citizen, naturalized citizen and natural born citizen. Google is your friend.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Habit4ming
I don't think I'll be providing links here, since I'm sick of doing so. I don't care about Obama's birth certificate. I do, however, care about the Constitution. I do care that our forefathers decided to "go with Vattel" and even mention the Law of Nations in the Constitution. The Law of Nations says that citizenship follows the father. Obama's father was Kenyan, therefore, no matter where Obama was born he is not a natural born citizen. There is a difference between citizen, naturalized citizen and natural born citizen. Google is your friend.


There is no separate citizenship when it comes to birth because the Law of Nations is not a recognized legal template nor protocol in The USA and will never be.

Since he was born in Hawaii in 1961 makes him a legal born, fully flegged American citizen by birth as nothing else matters but this. Turning this into a class war automatically disqualifies you from being taken remotely serious.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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People need to read this



The End of Political Baiting and Sniping on ATS

And take note of it.

I asked for the sniping and political baiting to stop earlier in the thread. Further action will be taken if it continues



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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At this point, even a "smoking cannon" would not do a damn thing. the question is....Do we, the people believing in birth certificate, really want to "go at it" with the POTUS ? obviously not because we do not have the power, money, and resources that they have.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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Who needs to prove the certificate is fake when we have this



Just trying to lighten things up for a minute

edit on 17-5-2011 by GringoViejo because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by Morpheas
LOL... I'm sorry, but the links in the OP just post stuff to fit their agenda. I don't support Obama, but all that communist crap is overkill.


No, it is not. Communism has come out of hiding since O got elected. All the commies have come out to demonstrate openly along with all the Socialists, SEIU, labor unions and other far left radical types. Bill Ayers is a leftist radical with no remorse for his actions. Trumpka brags about his involvement in the Egyptian uprisings. Ayers and Code Pink were known to have been flitting about Egypt as well. Everything we see happening is orchestrated and engineered. It is NWO, and O's particular brand is Left Hegelian marxism. It's that simple. If you don't know what Marxism is, then please find out.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by Habit4ming
I don't think I'll be providing links here, since I'm sick of doing so. I don't care about Obama's birth certificate. I do, however, care about the Constitution. I do care that our forefathers decided to "go with Vattel" and even mention the Law of Nations in the Constitution. The Law of Nations says that citizenship follows the father. Obama's father was Kenyan, therefore, no matter where Obama was born he is not a natural born citizen. There is a difference between citizen, naturalized citizen and natural born citizen. Google is your friend.


There is no separate citizenship when it comes to birth because the Law of Nations is not a recognized legal template nor protocol in The USA and will never be.

Since he was born in Hawaii in 1961 makes him a legal born, fully flegged American citizen by birth as nothing else matters but this. Turning this into a class war automatically disqualifies you from being taken remotely serious.


There is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii other than that ostensibly provided by his birth certificates (I have lost count of how many he now has). These have been shown to be computer-generated, whereas the health dept official in Hawaii said explicitly to Obama's lawyer that an exception had been made for the White House, so that instead of computer-generated copies being issued, photocopies were released of the supposed, original typewritten document, which would not have shown all the visible, computer-generated anomalies (different sized pixels, kerning, etc).

Even if Obama had been born in Hawaii, this would not guarantee natural-born citizenship. Claiming that nothing matters other than being born an American citizen is pure, unadulterated, legal nonsense. The fact that Obama must have given up his American citizenship (or whatever nationality he had as a child) in order to be regarded as an Indonesian, according to his school registration form, implies that he must have re-applied much later for American citizenship, which means that he cannot have been a natural-born citizen at the time of becoming president EVEN IF HE HAD HAD THIS STATUS WHEN HE WAS BORN. Where he was born is totally irrelevant to his eligibility to be president of the USA.

I will take YOU seriously when you give up wishful thinking and begin to think scientifically in accordance with proven facts.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Regardless of your stance or mine, If any person is born within the 50 states of the republic, that person is a citizen of the United States.

This is irrefutable.

I would also like to add as well (for everyone), that being born in the United State is not the only requirement one has to meet to be elected POTUS.

These arguments wont get either side anywhere without realizing both facts.
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 04:40 AM
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Maybe the OP needs a video to aide him in his arguement.

I make no story or claims.

Watch. I am sure both sides will enjoy.

Video 'proves' Obama birth certificate is fake
www.wnd.com...


Or this:

Nordyke numbers expose Obama document fraud?

NEW YORK – Newly unearthed information about Hawaii's procedure for numbering birth records at the time Barack Obama was born casts further doubt on the authenticity of the short-form and long-form birth certificates published online with the president's authority.

www.wnd.com...

have a great day.

Oh. this is a good time too:

From A to Z: What's wrong with Obama's birth certificate?
www.wnd.com...
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posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by micpsi
There is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii other than that ostensibly provided by his birth certificates (I have lost count of how many he now has).


He has released 2. The short form and the long form. That's TWO. It's pretty easy to keep track. One, Two. Two.




These have been shown to be computer-generated,


The short form is a computer printout of some of the information from the record.
The long form was not computer generated and has not, in any way, been proven to be so.


(different sized pixels, kerning, etc).


There are no "different size pixels" and the typewriters of the time had proportional spacing and kerning. The proof is ALL over ATS:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you want the truth, it's there. But I question whether you really want the truth.



...which means that he cannot have been a natural-born citizen at the time of becoming president EVEN IF HE HAD HAD THIS STATUS WHEN HE WAS BORN.


Are you suggesting that a person's "natural-born citizenship" can be changed or revoked in some way? Gosh, I'd LOVE to see the law or statute on that one. But you don't have proof, do you? Did you make this up yourself or did some 12-year-old say this on a YouTube video? Maybe you read it on a blog?



Where he was born is totally irrelevant to his eligibility to be president of the USA.


That's a new one for me, too. Never heard that before. The Constitution disagrees with you.




I will take YOU seriously when you give up wishful thinking and begin to think scientifically in accordance with proven facts.


Right back at you, bud.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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I believe this entire thing has been made so confusing on purpose, to keep people running in circles while the real truth sits in plain sight.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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Just when the dust settles....

She comes along and stirs the whole thing back up....

Private Investigator Susan Daniels and the Connecticut Issued SS #.

She makes it sound so convincing....

From an interview done yesterday:

IS OBAMA’S SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER PART OF A MANUFACTURED FAKE IDENTITY?
www.thepostemail.com...

I think maybe we should get ahold of here and ask her to come on to ATS and take some questions.... ?



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by anon72
She makes it sound so convincing....
IS OBAMA’S SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER PART OF A MANUFACTURED FAKE IDENTITY?
www.thepostemail.com...
Convincing to people who already believe and accept what she is saying at face value.


Daniels has stated that the number had originally been assigned to a man from Connecticut born in 1890.
Where’s her proof? Does she expect us to believe Obama’s SSN was “originally assigned to a man from Connecticut born in 1890” because she says so?


I think maybe we should get ahold of here and ask her to come on to ATS and take some questions.... ?
Please do. I’m sure we’d all like to ask her for the evidence to back up her claims.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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reply to post by micpsi
 


The proof has already been issued yet there are people who do not want to believe it, tell us how you really feel about a black man in the White House? Also, please present an original thought instead of reading and playing from the GOP Daily Talking Points.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Can someone please explain to me why there is even a possibility that Barack Obama was born in Kenya ?Can someone please explain to me why there is even a possibility that Barack Obama was born in Kenya ?


Well, it doesn't help when the First Lady makes remarks like this one........





But I'm sure there is some logical "excuse" for this comment of hers which will readily be provided by any number of ATSers......

Just sayin.....



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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I believe this entire thing has been made so confusing on purpose, to keep people running in circles while the real truth sits in plain sight.


This is the only truth I've seen proven in all of the Obama birth certificate threads.



posted on May, 17 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Existing Thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Your certificate says Place of Birth: Honolulu
Hospital: Unknown -- Kenya, Africa

Make up your mind.


Not to mention that the HRS statute that is sited at the bottom of this certificate (338-17.8) became law in 1982, not 1961.

Source



[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
...
[L 1982,


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edit on 5/16/2011 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)


Ha! That's a "PWN"

...and this thread hasn't been moved to the hoax bin yet?

shame shame..... $$$$$



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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I found this article written by The Post & Email who spoke with Susan Daniels very interesting as well as her findings and research. www.thepostemail.com...

Especially the part that states: the case was recently granted a hearing on the merits by a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. And courtroom proceedings, which began on May 2, 2011.

So what's happened in the courtroom since May 2, 2011?




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