I think this quote says it all :-

(from Koka's Van Allen Belt link above)

"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

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Originally posted by muppet
I think this quote says it all :-

(from Koka's Van Allen Belt link above)

"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

your missing the point of my argument-do you think that because his name is van allen that he is immune from the prospect of having the barrel of an m-16 shoved in his mouth?what i am trying to say is that the military can make ANYONE say ANYTHING they want-no one is immune to death-you cannot convince someone who knows the truth to accept a lie-how do i know? common sense and observation-step back and look at the big picture and it is really quite obvious-the discrepencies pointed out by the hoax camp were not manufactured merely realized through observation-




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Sunofone, What about the Russians?

Sunafone,

If you had even a half a smidgen of the common sense you claim to have applied in this case, you would realise that you can't shut that many people up, particularly smart people like these.

You would also realise that pictures that could only have been taken on the moon, must therefore have been taken on the moon.

btw... you're still having trouble with your quotes.

Ah also the few hundred kilograms of Lunar Rock/Soil samples that would be impossible to re-create on Earth.

Nor is knowledge of Radiation or the Van Allen belts any sort of mystical secret. Its all public domain, there are tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands? millions?) of people working in fields relating to the effects of radiation and the nature of the van allen belts. As HowardRoark mentioned, the Russians also passed many craft through the belts well before the Apollo program. Or did all the russians and everyone working in the field since also have an m-16 in their mouth?

Originally posted by Kano
Or did all the russians and everyone working in the field since also have an m-16 in their mouth?

No Kano, Being loyal cumrades, the Russian scientists preferred to have AK-47’s in their mouths.



(my appologies to e.e. cummings )

Originally posted by Sunofone
the one russian cosmonaut that even came close to leaving the saftey of the vab said that the radiation was so strong he could see it passing through his shut eyelids-

OK, now I am confused. Are you claiming that the Van Allen belts are the safe place to be?

Originally posted by Sunofone
the one russian cosmonaut that even came close to leaving the saftey of the vab said that the radiation was so strong he could see it passing through his shut eyelids

It would be nice if Sunofone could explain the exact processes here. What type of radiation are we talking about? How was it possible for the cosmonaut to “see” this radiation at all, not just to be able to see it though his shut eyelids.

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by Sunofone
the one russian cosmonaut that even came close to leaving the saftey of the vab said that the radiation was so strong he could see it passing through his shut eyelids

It would be nice if Sunofone could explain the exact processes here. What type of radiation are we talking about? How was it possible for the cosmonaut to “see” this radiation at all, not just to be able to see it though his shut eyelids.

LMAO!
The only type of radiation that a person can see with their eyes (or "through...shut eyelids") is visible light. All other forms of radiation (including the relatively close waves of Infrared and UV) are invisible to the human eye, open or shut.
Once again, Sunofone, please stop posting information that is based entirely on cr@p-science (this "fact" that you state isnt even pseudo-science, it's pure cr@p).
The more you post the more ignorant you make yourself out to be

Surely if the Moon landings where a hoax (I BELIEVE THEY HAPPENED) Then the so called faked moon sets would look like the best special effects lunar landscapes of their day(60's). They do not look like anything from 2001 a space odyssey or any other "Science Fiction " movie of that period.

First to everone who is trying to show that the moon landing was real .
your trying to convince these people who dont want convincing.
pluse some few of these people could be there and still say it was faked thats just how determined they are so realy were wasting our time trying to convince them it was real . I personly have meet people who say the shuttle launches were fake and go on to say we cant even launch rockets at all. Or corse they also probly think the web is fake along with sat tv.
PS heres my two cents van allen (BELTS . humm instresting word there BELTS now why do you think they called them belts? and not val allen SPHER? humm .is it just possibly that we could go around them ? HUMM?
after they just circly the earth not incircle it .Now im not saying we dident go throught them but I am saying if it had turned out not possible to do that we could GO AROUND them . look it up there just like the rings of saturn.

SC4 is right, the Apollo missions didn't go straight through the thickest part of the belts. Either Clavius or BadAstronomy (maybe both?) cover this.

This is about the 50th thread about the moon landing being a hoax... The assertions used to support it being a hoax are just bad science, and (as seen above, stubborn ignoring of this, even from the horse's mouth...such as Van Allen himself.) Check the archives, then make up your own mind, as just about everything that can be said on either side, HAS been said.

Someone needs to lock this thread....

Originally posted by Gazrok
This is about the 50th thread about the moon landing being a hoax... The assertions used to support it being a hoax are just bad science, and (as seen above, stubborn ignoring of this, even from the horse's mouth...such as Van Allen himself.) Check the archives, then make up your own mind, as just about everything that can be said on either side, HAS been said.

Someone needs to lock this thread....

Agreed. Isn't this thread in violation of the terms and conditions?

1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

Come to think of it, aren't all the threads along this line in violation as well? From now on we should punish those who start these things by banning them from the space forum.