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Conspiracy - read it? - Dunblane Massacre!

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posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 04:55 PM
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Not sure where this post should be.

Just wondered if anyone had read this book and what they thought of it, especially the Dunblane section:


www.conspiracytruths.com...

'CONSPIRACY?' was first released by Black Horse Press, Sydney, Australia, in May 2002.
Set in Washington D.C., this 432 page novel uses its fictional characters to explore the story behind what the author now believes really happened at Waco, Oklahoma, Dunblane, Port Arthur and TWA 800.. All names, dates, quotes, witnesses' reports and technological detail have been researched by the author over the past five-and-a-half years -- accessing books, articles, magazines, newspaper reports, court records and the internet.
'CONSPIRACY?' will keep you awake at night as it leads you through the chilling expose of what is happening in the shadowy world of Big Business, Politics, and the secret agenda of our so-called 'Security' Organisations in their push for a New World Order.


Donna Mason, a young journalist with the Washington 'Post', decides to research the NWO and embarks upon a journey of discovery which leads her into the murky world of intrigue and violence undertaken by the various 'Agencies' in the name of 'National Security'. She and the other main characters in the novel explore their covert use of mind control, subliminal programming and assassination to bring about world change, at any cost! During the course of their investigations they unearth some of the real facts surrounding the Waco massacre, the Oklahoma bombing, the Dunblane and Port Arthur massacres, the downing of flight TWA 800 and the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre in New York.
The book opens in the Washington D.C. office of Ted Murphy, one of the regional .s of the NSA's 'Special Operations Group', and then quickly moves on to the Nevada training facility for the programming of 'Sleepers' for use in the NWO's plot to disarm the general population. Murphy's boss, Al Bronowski, leads the readers through what took place at Waco, and then Donna Mason and the other characters take us through a detailed investigation of the various bombings and massacres, before the book reaches its chilling conclusion.
'CONSPIRACY?' unveils another world behind the .lines and the scripted mis-information peddled by those controlling the media. A world of lies and manipulation. It reveals names, dates, procedures and descriptions of actual events. Detailed references to the actions of American Presidents and their staff, the past .s of the CIA, FBI, named witnesses and other important figures in the investigations, derive from news publications, court records, books, magazines and the internet.

www.propagandamatrix.com...





John G. Wollaston, born and educated in Sydney, Australia, is a Fellow of the Royal Australian Institute of Architects. He has travelled extensively throughout the world, speaks several languages, has studied and taught martial arts, run business corporations, and is a respected public speaker.
In 1978 he was .hunted by the Australian Federal Government to . up its worldwide Property Directorate. Because of his involvement with Embassies and Defence facilities, Mr. Wollaston was cleared above 'Top Secret' by the Australian security organizations, ASIO and ASIS, and is still bound in some matters by the Official Secrets Act. During the six years that he worked in this area he was exposed to the inner workings of the government and its agencies. It comes as no surprise, therefore, that he would question the truth about what was happening behind the scenes in 'seemingly' unrelated events both at home and abroad.



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posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 05:26 AM
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Your looking into things too much.
Dunblane? School shooting in scotland(i think)? no conspiracy, just some sick man with a obessesions with Guns.



posted on Aug, 3 2004 @ 07:04 PM
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Big media coverage = big questiion marks, (IMO)

Thanks for the thread. This issue has been such an issue on UK TV News throughout the years. I think it's worth exploring.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by VelvetSplash
Big media coverage = big questiion marks, (IMO)

Thanks for the thread. This issue has been such an issue on UK TV News throughout the years. I think it's worth exploring.


Yes, it's very interesting. People shouldn't put things off so instantly, we are meant to be open minded here and if somethin is up with Dunblane then infinite you have fallen into the trap. Take a look at a few of these links:

www.propagandamatrix.com...

So many things have happened and this event was the starting point of the government crackdown of disarming Britains.

No, not a right-wing gun nut but I have been a shooter for 15 years and I know how the laws have changed and what events have had to happen to make this.

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posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 04:20 AM
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Good pointer, just had to update my reading list!

Cheers, Hunter (comma the)!



posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 03:41 AM
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Seems very much like the Port Arthur incident in Australia which this book also exposes. Please have a look here and see what you think:

www.2012.com.au...

and here:

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

In 1988 Australian newspapers reported New South Wales politician Barry Unsworth's claim that, "there would be no effective gun control in Australia until there was a massacre in Tasmania"

I think it was Robert A. Heinlein who once said:
"Most people can't think, most of the remainder won't think, the small fraction who do think mostly can't do it very well. The extremily tiny fraction who think regularly, accuractely, creatively, and without self-delusion - in the long run, these are the only people who count"

This post is mainly about Dunblane but I thought it was interesting about Port Arthur aswell and that they are both exposed in this book.

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posted on Aug, 14 2004 @ 04:13 AM
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The below is a very quick copy and pasting of things I have found out about Dunblane. I am working on them to put them in bullet points as at the moment it is a mess. I will also be putting links up to everything I find. As soon as I get this book whihc is in the post I will post the relevent pages:


DUNBLANE

Strict Gun Laws in the UK, however:

1)
Thomas Hamilton was a suspected paedophile who was allowed to roam free around Dunblanes Queen Victoria School before the 1996 atrocity. Former housemaster of Dunblane's Queen Victoria School, Glenn Harrison, has stated that he found Hamilton creeping around the dormitories at night and that he had close links to a top cop. He was aghast that he was never called to give evidence at the Cullen Inquiry. He said: "I was one of the people who was making a fuss about Hamilton long before he killed those children, but no one wanted to listen."

2)
Lord Burton contacted Glenn Harrison at his new home in the Shetland Islands, saying he believes Glenn wasn't called to give evidence to avoid the embarrassment of top legal names being dragged into it.

3)
A local shooting club (Raymond Reid) rejected Hamilton for membership.

4)
Townspeople concerned about Hamilton's peculiar behavior over the years reportedly had talked to police about him.

Among some documents in the Cullen Inquiry that were ordered to put under 100 years secrecy, there was revealed a police report revealing that Hamilton had been accused of sexually abusing boys and had been considered by some officers unfit to hold a firearms licence. Although the official reason is to protect the families of possible abuse victims, it's unusual for documents to be locked up unless for matters of national security. Lord Burton added: "We still need to know why that was necessary. Who was the secrecy protecting?"

5)
The QVS school is for children of the miltary services and has long-standing links to high office -its current patron is the Duke of Edinburgh.

6)
Nato Secretary General, Lord Robertson allegedly help Thomas Hamilton get his gun license



Whoever holds the position of Secretary of State for Scotland becomes president and Scotland's second-most senior judge, the Lord Justice Clerk, becomes a commissioner.

Lord Burton said: "I was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland at the time and I'm aware that most of the conspiracy theories around Dunblane revolve around allegations of a Masonic conspiracy.

"I do have some difficulty with that, but I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society.

"The society was formed at Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route. But Hamilton was never a Mason. His grandfather was."

Current members of The Speculative Society include Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates. Lord Burton has been trying for years to get to the bottom of the conspiracy theories, using his influence in the House of Lords until the reforms meant he was no longer entitled to sit in Westminster.

Last night he said: "I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them."

"It's absolutely astounding to me that somebody who has some sort of history like this can have got anywhere near firearms," said Mike Baillie-Hamilton of the local Callander Rifle and Pistol Club

investigate the influence of The Speculative Society.

It was formed in 1764 as an offshoot of the Masons


The incident has forced Britain, despite having some of the most stringent regulations in the world, to think about making its regulations even tighter

Hamilton had a license for many years, according to some reports. Scottish police, sensitive to charges they may have failed in their duty, point out 23 gun licenses were revoked in Scotland last year.
The people of Dunblane may well wonder why it wasn't 24.

Glenn Harrison had kept dozens of files from pupils alleging bullying and abuse while he was at the QVS and wrote to parents warning of the dangers in 1991.
It led to him being ousted from the school and just days before he left, police raided his home and confiscated the files.

Hamilton had been a friend of Ben Philip, the senior housemaster at the QVS.
Mr Philip died in December 1993, aged 46, when he fell from a ladder while hanging decorations.
Glenn said: "They were friends so Hamilton was a regular visitor to the school and I was introduced to him.
"He came and went as he pleased, almost as if he owned the place, and no one has ever tried to explain why he had such freedom.

DUNBLANE INQUIRY WAS A COVER-UP AND PEERS BULLIED ME TO KEEP QUIET SAYS LORD BURTON, EX-MASONS LEADER

THE inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a massive cover-up, a top Scots Freemason has sensationally claimed.

Former Grand Master Lord Burton says that Lord Cullen's official probe suppressed crucial information to protect high-profile legal figures.

He says they may belong to a secretive "super-Mason" group called The Speculative Society.

And Lord Burton revealed that he was bullied and threatened by other peers when he tried to raise his concerns in the House of Lords.

Last night the 79-year-old aristocrat said: "There's no escaping the fact that there's something sinister about the whole affair."

police are investigating claims that pupils at QVS were regularly taken away and sexually abused.

Lord Cullen decided to invoke the 100 year secrecy act on certain pieces of information in the report about the activities of the killer. It is suspected that the information would disclose highly damaging details about the activities of prominent Scots including Labour MPs.
A further cover-up is suspected which may or may not be related to the Dunblane tragedy, involving two ex-Labour ministers apparently on the list of people who have assessed child pornography on the internet. Since the reporting of this, there has been a media blackout and no-one has heard anything since the arrest of Pete Townsend. It is believed that the Government have blocked the identities of these Labour politicians being disclosed and are protecting them for fear of the damage it would do to Tony Blair and the Government (possibly the Labour Party as a whole).

Blair's Protection of Elite Paedophile Rings - www.propagandamatrix.com...

The incident has forced Britain, despite having some of the most stringent regulations in the world, to think about making its regulations even tighter

Freemasonic 'Speculative Society' Linked to Dunblane Massacre: members.fortunecity.com...

Lord Robertson and Hamiltons Gun Lisense: news.bbc.co.uk...
Robertson considers action over web allegation: www.propagandamatrix.com...

Dunblane secret documents contain letters by Tory and Labour ministers: www.propagandamatrix.com...

Strict laws did not keep guns out of hands of Scotland killer www.cnn.com...

Labour Lies and Cover-Ups: www.newlabour.me.uk...

UK Gun Laws before and after: www.ippnw.org...

Thomas Hamilton's possession of firearms and ammunition: www.ssaa.org.au...

Dunblane killer report leaves questions unanswered: www.propagandamatrix.com...

Call to lift veil of secrecy over Dunblane: www.propagandamatrix.com...

OTHER STUFF: www.propagandamatrix.com...


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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 04:35 AM
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Well, I got it and it look bloody good! I will post the relevent pages on Dunblane if anyone is interested. Let me know.

Also, found ths post on the Port Arthuir Massacre, ( www.abovetopsecret.com... ) an event nobody denies was a conspiracy now. Same for Dunblane?





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posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by The Hunter
Not sure where this post should be.

Just wondered if anyone had read this book and what they thought of it, especially the Dunblane section:
CONSPIRACY?'


The book looks good.

For more on Oklahoma City (and ties into untold others) Others Unknown at Amazon. I read it from cover to cover without stopping- it is sinister.

For a good
resource page beginning with Dunblane, gun rights and laws I suggest this link.

My favorite WTF book is
Bushwhacked. Be careful when shopping- there are at least 4 by the same name.



posted on Aug, 20 2004 @ 02:49 AM
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I was and still are angry and the reaction in banning all guns. I also know a lot of other people are to.
In this country we are not allowed to carry any form of self defence weapon, TASERS are classed as firearms and carry a stiff penalty (we shouldn't even be able to buy them, anyway) we're not allowed CS gas/Mace, night-stick, anything at all!, and even if we attack someone breaking into our home or attacking someone else, we could get put into prison.
If you ask the police how your are supposed to defend yourself, the asnwer is just to call them and not do anything else at all without risking prosecution.
It's completely insane in my opinion and I know in a lot of other peoples.

The problem is, the only people that don't have guns now are the normal, law abiding, decent folk. The criminals still do and actually have more now.
Like my Dad pointed out the other day, should something bad happen like a terrorist attack or huge natural disaster, and the government lose control - the scum of society will be armed ot the teeth and be able to exploit the normal good folk because of the situation that has now been created.

I personally think it is absolute crap that we can't even have a bloody taser or pepper spray.. The do-gooders go on about how it might kill someone because they have a weak heart or something - tough! they shouldn't have done what ever they did to get Tasered.

"But they trouble makers will get there hands on them" they say - they probably allready bloody have! And if they don't have that they have a knife, or stick or whatever!

It was a terrible, awful thing that happened at that school, but I think banning guns like they did was one of the most stupid things that has happened in this country, there arn't any less shootings and it has solved nothing. What they should have done is re-assessed their vetting procedure to make sure that they didn't let people like him have any. It was probably all for votes.

I think it was about a week or two after that some sicko went into a school and did something similar with a machete if I remember rightly, so how come they havn't banned machetes?




posted on Aug, 20 2004 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by AgentSmith
I was and still are angry and the reaction in banning all guns. I also know a lot of other people are to.
In this country we are not allowed to carry any form of self defence weapon, TASERS are classed as firearms and carry a stiff penalty (we shouldn't even be able to buy them, anyway) we're not allowed CS gas/Mace, night-stick, anything at all!, and even if we attack someone breaking into our home or attacking someone else, we could get put into prison.
If you ask the police how your are supposed to defend yourself, the asnwer is just to call them and not do anything else at all without risking prosecution.
It's completely insane in my opinion and I know in a lot of other peoples.

The problem is, the only people that don't have guns now are the normal, law abiding, decent folk. The criminals still do and actually have more now.
Like my Dad pointed out the other day, should something bad happen like a terrorist attack or huge natural disaster, and the government lose control - the scum of society will be armed ot the teeth and be able to exploit the normal good folk because of the situation that has now been created.

I personally think it is absolute crap that we can't even have a bloody taser or pepper spray.. The do-gooders go on about how it might kill someone because they have a weak heart or something - tough! they shouldn't have done what ever they did to get Tasered.

"But they trouble makers will get there hands on them" they say - they probably allready bloody have! And if they don't have that they have a knife, or stick or whatever!

It was a terrible, awful thing that happened at that school, but I think banning guns like they did was one of the most stupid things that has happened in this country, there arn't any less shootings and it has solved nothing. What they should have done is re-assessed their vetting procedure to make sure that they didn't let people like him have any. It was probably all for votes.

I think it was about a week or two after that some sicko went into a school and did something similar with a machete if I remember rightly, so how come they havn't banned machetes?



You are exactly right! Their is numerous information on the increase of Gun Crime in this country since 1997 by BASC (British Association for Shooting and Conservation) and many others. Infact they are looking to now ban even more.

Did you know that 2 months ago they quitly banned batons in this country? Honest, nothing in the papers about it though.

Tony Martin: www.tonymartinsupportgroup.org...

I say, buy them, bury them, be ready!

"Must men alone be debarred the common privilege of opposing force with force, which nature allows so freely to all other creatures for their preservation from injury? I answer: self defence is a part of the law of nature, nor can it be denied the community, even against the king himself..."
- John Locke, Two Treatises of Government, 1689

"If any person attempts to break open a house in the night-time, and shall be killed in such attempt, the slayer shall be acquitted and discharged"
Sir William Blackstone, 18th-century English jurist

"Self defence is justly called the primary law of nature, so it is not, either can it be in fact, taken away by the laws of society."
- Sir William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws



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posted on Aug, 20 2004 @ 07:51 AM
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Well it certainly seems at times in the UK that it's the anti social, the violent and the law breaker who is coddled and protected by the state and not the law abiding, I suppose it begs the question why, surely any politician with an ounce of common sense (there must be some) would see that a good way to garner votes from the majority would be to address and solve these problems, not instigate one peice of innefective legislation after another. maybe we are being softened up for a more intrusive, controlling form of govt and by then if most of us feel safer on the streets and in our homes we wont question too deeply the implications of what these things mean.



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