Forgive yourself, forgive the Illuminati... and let´s move on, page 3

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by laffoe
reply to post by James1982

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They doesn´t have unlimited powers
Not by far
They are just like boys who have buildt a machine
And think they own the world
They don´t
Nobody does...
We are all truly capable of being Creators
Through Unity

If you want to bring god or religion into this, then no, they don't have unlimited power.

But in the real world, where you life can be ended, where pain can be inflicted, where sorrow and grief can be wielded as a weapon against you, they do have close to unlimited power. Yes, they just built a machine, but that machine is in control of 99% of what happens in the world. You know, issues like whether or not you will have food to eat. Whether or not you will be put in prison, or executed. Whether or not your family will be take from you. They have that power, and I'm much more concerned about that then some supernatural force that, if exists, refuses to ever manifest itself in a manner which would ease the suffering of people.

I surely want to bring God into this
Belive me He´s fed up with this stuff
Their days left in ´power´ are numbered

reply to post by laffoe

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They´re just trapped into this just as much as we are
Forgiveness only forgiveness can break this

First I agree the Iluminati do not exist however organizations like Bildeburg do.

Second "They are trapped" You have got to be kidding me

Actually they are right on schedule in their desires for the world. Would we not shatter it to bits, and then Remould it nearer to the heart's desire!

These are the people who funded Lenin and supported Stalin, Mussolini and Hitler. These are the people who starve children even today!

...the role Goldman played in the food crisis of 2008, when the ranks of the world’s hungry increased by 250 million. The article is titled “The Food Bubble: How Wall Street Starved Millions and Got Away With It.”

Trading in death: Rapacious bankers are making fortunes by forcing up the price of food and leaving millions to starve

These are the people who decided there are too many people on earth and are INTENTIONALLY sterilizing or wiping out people through war and famine while they grow rich as the body count sky rockets.

FORGIVE THEM???? Heck NO! I would send them to THE NINTH LEVEL OF HADES to join the other demons!

Originally posted by laffoe
reply to post by James1982

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The Illuminati will be stopped in what they are doing eitherway.
This forgiveness is about moving on.
For your soul to learn, to mature.
Think of sometime when you have been angry or even hated someone,
think of when you let go of that.
Was that not a relief?
Did it not open doors to amazingness?
Look within
See what resonates
My friend

Yes, forgiving people that have wronged you in the past is great. I've done in many times. But that is not what we are talking about here. The Illuminati are CURRENTLY doing these things, it's not as if they stopped 10 years ago, and the only problem is the hate people still hold for them.

The problem is that they are still around doing what they do, and forgiveness will not stop them from doing that.

Once/if they are gone, yes I could move on and forget about them. But they are still here, so now is NOT the time to forgive, it's the time to resist.

reply to post by crimvelvet

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They are still running around like hamsters in a wheel
More money
More power
And so it goes on and on
They have to keep themselves real busy
not to stop and ask
Why?

reply to post by James1982

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You touch in on something crucial here my friend
(and thanks for sticking around)
It IS indeed really hard to forgive someone who is still doing the wrong things to you
And if Daddy comes and stop the show it would still be very hard to forgive
If say those Illuminaties or tptb made a stop.
Really stopped.
And looked within.
If they came and truly asked for your forgiveness
instead of me being like their advocate.
It would be easier for you
And they´d surely would look better
.
Hell they´d might be able to help make this a great place

reply to post by laffoe

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They have to keep themselves real busy not to stop and ask Why?

Ah, but there is where you are wrong. They conceived a plan and then work to carry it out. All the while they have an ultimate goal in mind,. That goal is complete control of the world, its resources and people by their families.

Here is a short history on a neutral subject that shows these people in action.

There is good and evil in this world. I have come face to face with evil on occasion and these people are EVIL. My brother is one of them so I should know.

reply to post by laffoe

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Like I already said, I could get over it if it stopped.

But it's not stopping, so why discuss it? If I just forgive them, nothing will happen. They won't even know I forgave them. You and I are nothing to these people, they don't care how we feel towards them.

I like the message here, don't get me wrong, but it's being used in the wrong context in my opinion. Someone needs to stop doing wrong before they are forgiven.

Just like the other poster used the analogy of punching you in the face. If someone is standing in front of you, punching you over and over again, and you "I forgive you" and they keep punching you, then what are you trying to do? Your still getting punched in the face, you just want to feel better about it? How about just stop the guy from punching you in the face?

reply to post by sprocket2cog

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Hating of loving is not the issue I have. Possessing either emotion is not going to do anything. However, anger will cause you to fight when the time comes, will love? Would you fight something you love?

So you admit that you aren't going to stop them by loving them. So are you content to become a slave? To be tortured or killed? I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to stop that type of thing, you know?

As I said before I don't know about god or anything else of that matter, but if there is a god, and I came before him after my death, I would like to say "I died trying to defeat evil" more than "I died from choking on a mouthful of plastic rice that my Illuminati overlords fed me in my prison camp, while I was sending them love waves"

Originally posted by James1982
reply to post by sprocket2cog

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Hating of loving is not the issue I have. Possessing either emotion is not going to do anything. However, anger will cause you to fight when the time comes, will love? Would you fight something you love?

So you admit that you aren't going to stop them by loving them. So are you content to become a slave? To be tortured or killed? I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to stop that type of thing, you know?

As I said before I don't know about god or anything else of that matter, but if there is a god, and I came before him after my death, I would like to say "I died trying to defeat evil" more than "I died from choking on a mouthful of plastic rice that my Illuminati overlords fed me in my prison camp, while I was sending them love waves"

i would fight for love.. for my family.my kids not out of hate for the enemy.. but for the love of my friends and family.. like i said you seem to miss the point, but thats ok.. im not here to ram it down your throat like some plastic rice..
i would die fighting evil, its just a diffrent way to fight, the wepon is love, the light to balance the dark, but in my view there is no evil or good.. there just is the opposite, the balance, the harmonics that need each other to exsist, how can you hate evil, if you need it to fight, ? part of you must love it or you wouldnt see the need to fight it..
i cant make you see, the same way you cant close my eyes.
read some of platos works the Republic is a good place to start.
www.philosophypages.com...
i can only show you one path, its not right or wrong, you dont have to walk it.

reply to post by James1982

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Just like the other poster used the analogy of punching you in the face. If someone is standing in front of you, punching you over and over again, and you "I forgive you" and they keep punching you, then what are you trying to do? Your still getting punched in the face, you just want to feel better about it? How about just stop the guy from punching you in the face?

He is using "Turn the other cheek" but as a battered kid I can tell you IT DOES NOT WORK. The only thing that works on a bully (and these people ARE bullies and cowards) is standing up to them.

Gandhi's passive resistance worked only because the world was watching and England did not want to lose the world's good opinion (Bad for trade)

These people work from the shadows. We really do not even know who they actually are.

I will forgive them. Just as soon as we strip them of all their wealth and toss them on a subsidence farm to work for those they have starved!

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