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As another very intelligent person pointed out.... If you have a problem with the blockade, take it to the UN! Don't continuously attempt to break the blockade!
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Xcathdra
Both resolutions specifically cited the issue of borders. They both stated the "borders" are not defintitive as Israel has a right to defensible borders. This was akcnolwledged when the PLO signed onto 242 in 1988, and when the arab governments accepted the armistice of 1949.
BackinBlack wanted evidence to show Israeli actions were legal, and I was providing them. Because Hamas is violating the armistice as well as 242 by continuing to refuse to recognize Israel, and by launching attacks, Israel is allowed under UN Charter to defend itself, as they have been doing.
Hamas either has to recognize Israel right to exist, or they are in violation of Un resolution, and as such, can be attacked for violating it.
Defensible borders are for occupied territories and does NOT allow for building settlements for civilians..
You know that but as with most you like to twist the facts..
You can't force Hamas to recognize the Jewish State of Israel anymore than you can force Israel to recognize the state of Palestine..
World public opinion is turning against Israel..
Of course they will scream the anti-semetic card and remind us daily of the holocaust and that they're God's chosen, but in the end I think they need another false flag event to continue as they are..
The Spirit of Rachel Corrie Mission hereby objects to the use of an Israeli land port to deliver its humanitarian aid to the Palestinian people.
The team is thankful to the Malaysian Government for their negotiations with the Egyptian Government in securing the docking of MV Finch into the El-Arish Port since May 16th.
We have been informed that the Egyptian Government has imposed on the Malaysian Government as a condition precedent for the cargo to be discharged, that the same be transported via Karem Shalom, at the Israeli border in Gaza.
The team was never consulted in the negotiations nor was its opinion taken into consideration by the Egyptian Government.
This decision is against the principle of the team’s mission, which is to break the illegal siege of Gaza by the Israelis.
Have we agreed to the cargo being unloaded via Israel, we would have agreed on the 16th of May, when the Israeli navy demanded that we proceed to Ashdod.
However, we insisted in proceeding to Gaza Port and were then attacked brutally by the Israeli navy.
On 28th April 2011, the Foreign Ministry of Egypt issued a statement that the Rafah Crossing would be permanently opened to enable humanitarian aid to pass through Gaza.
It is therefore in contradiction and inconsistent with our intent that our cargo should now be diverted via Israel and with the expressed permission of Israel which we did not and will not seek in any circumstances.
To comply with this unreasonable demand would abrogate the fundamental principle by which we embarked on this mission – to break the illegal siege of Gaza.
In addition, we are not assured that this cargo would in fact be delivered to Gaza, as in the past, all assurances given to previous missions were not implemented and most of the humanitarian aid were laid to waste, only 40% was allowed to enter Gaza.
For the past 10 days, we were given repeated assurances by the Egyptian Government that the cargo of PVC pipes to restore the destroyed sewerage system would in fact be transported via Rafah.
This turn of events demonstrates the insincerity of the Egyptian Government and their implicit endorsement of the illegal siege when they explicitly stated they would permanently open the Rafah Crossing to humanitarian aid, and as this aid will prevent the spread of infectious diseases must be considered humanitarian aid.
We are therefore compelled to take drastic action to uphold the dignity of the Palestinian people and the justice of the cause. Any compromise of this fundamental principle would undermine the heroic struggle of the Palestinians in the last few years to resist the cruel and inhumane blockade of Gaza, the largest open prison in the world and a collective punishment of the 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza.
This is a unanimous decision of the team which consists of a crew of 5 comprising 3 Malaysians and 2 Indians, and 7 activists made up of 4 Malaysians, 2 Irish and 1 Canadian, expressing and representing the aspirations of all people who support the just struggle of the Palestinians to break the inhumane and illegal siege.
This illegal siege by Israel is a contravention of the Geneva Conventions which inter alia provides that a nation under occupation is entitled to have access to clean drinking water and sanitary conditions.
As a result of the barbaric invasion codenamed “Operation Cast Lead” in 2008, 7.5km of sewage pipes were destroyed. Yet, our cargo of 7.5km PVC pipes, a humanitarian aid to restore the existing sewerage system, has been denied entry to Gaza.
WTF does that sentence mean? A defensible border is a "BORDER THAT CAN BE DEFENDED"... In which direction were you trying to twist the words?
Palestinian medical sources announced that Israeli authorities banned an infant in Gaza Strip to transfer to a hospital inside Israeli entity for medical treatment since the suffocated siege imposed by israel for more than five years continued to affect the lives of hundreds of patients in the coastal region.
Hundreds of Palestinian children suffered from critical health conditions as Israeli government has restricted the movement into Israeli territories to receive treatment, in an attempt to tighten the suffocated blockade imposed in 2007, when Hamas movement seized control over Gaza strip.
It’s noteworthy that several children in the besieged Gaza strip lost their lives simply because they were rejected access to necessary medication within Israeli hospitals .
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by djyorkie
Thats just it.. The moment a vessel declares their destination as gaza, it doesnt matter what their cargo is, they are subject to search by the occupying country, regardless of the fact the vessel is in Israeli territorial waters or international waters.
Any attempt to run the blockade changes the designation of those vessels to combatants.
SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT
Neutral merchant vessels
67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:
(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.
103. If the civilian population of the blockaded territory is inadequately provided with food and other objects essential for its survival, the blockading party must provide for free passage of such foodstuffs and other essential supplies, subject to:
(a) the right to prescribe the technical arrangements, including search, under which such passage is permitted; and
(b) the condition that the distribution of such supplies shall be made under the local supervision of a Protecting Power or a humanitarian organization which offers guarantees of impartiality, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross.
104. The blockading belligerent shall allow the passage of medical supplies for the civilian population or for the wounded and sick members of armed forces, subject to the right to prescribe technical arrangements, including search, under which such passage is permitted.
The UN charter where you fondly point out how illegal the bloclkade is, while I poiint out the UN charter that states a country that is occupying land is responsible for the people in that land, as well as any aid coming into said land. Those items can be sent to a port of the occupying countries choosing, and that country can decide what is allowed and what is not allowed.
Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.
The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.
Since Israel withdrew all forces from Gaza in 2005, and with Hamas continually attacking Israel, Israel is justified under Chapter 7 of the UN for taking self defense against those attacks. Israel would be legally justified invading Gaza.