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Both resolutions specifically cited the issue of borders. They both stated the "borders" are not defintitive as Israel has a right to defensible borders. This was akcnolwledged when the PLO signed onto 242 in 1988, and when the arab governments accepted the armistice of 1949.
BackinBlack wanted evidence to show Israeli actions were legal, and I was providing them. Because Hamas is violating the armistice as well as 242 by continuing to refuse to recognize Israel, and by launching attacks, Israel is allowed under UN Charter to defend itself, as they have been doing.
Hamas either has to recognize Israel right to exist, or they are in violation of Un resolution, and as such, can be attacked for violating it.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Hamas's refusal to recognize Israel is a violation of the UN resolution 242.
So long as Israel is not recognized, Israel does not have to comply with any resolutions.
Simple as that.edit on 19-5-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by srsen
URGENT – IMMEDIATE ATTENTION: The Spirit of Rachel Corrie Ship Heading Towards Gaza Attacked By Israeli Forces – 16TH MAY 2011
(visit the link for the full news article)
10:57am KL, Gaza 5:57am:
One Israeli warship coming to us very fast!
We are in international waters, therefore they have no right to attack us.
We are still sailing ahead.
10:59am KL, Gaza 5:59am:
They are opening fire across our ship!
We are still sailing ahead.
11:09am KL, Gaza 6:09am:
They are shooting all over the place.
We can’t continue …
11:35am KL, Gaza 6:35am:
They circled our ship twice and fired across our ship. Machine guns.
No one was injured.
One of the fishing nets caught the propeller, so we can’t move now.
edit on 16-5-2011 by srsen because: (no reason given)
UN 242 passed the security council and had 2 main components -
* - Israel was to withdraw from captured territory
* - Palestinians were to recognize the existance of Israel.
Secretary of State Dean Rusk commented on the most significant area of disagreement regarding the resolution:
There was much bickering over whether that resolution should say from "the" territories or from "all" territories. In the French version, which is equally authentic, it says withdrawal de territory, with de meaning "the." We wanted that to be left a little vague and subject to future negotiation because we thought the Israeli border along the West Bank could be "rationalized"; certain anomalies could easily be straightened out with some exchanges of territory, making a more sensible border for all parties. We also wanted to leave open demilitarization measures in the Sinai and the Golan Heights and take a fresh look at the old city of Jerusalem. But we never contemplated any significant grant of territory to Israel as a result of the June 1967 war. On that point we and the Israelis to this day remain sharply divided. This situation could lead to real trouble in the future. Although every President since Harry Truman has committed the United States to the security and independence of Israel, I'm not aware of any commitment the United States has made to assist Israel in retaining territories seized in the Six-Day War.
UPDATE Monday 23 May At 8.33am EDT (14.33pm local time)
The Spirit of Rachel Corrie lifted anchor and started sailing towards Gaza.
UPDATE, Monday 23 May, at 13.30pm EDT, 20.30pm local time
The Spirit of Rachel Corrie is back in Egyptian territorial waters. The crew and passengers are safe. The Malaysian Embassy in Cairo has advised that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has granted permission to the ship to berth in the port of Al Arish tomorrow May 24th and unload its cargo.
This decision by Egypt's Foreign Minister Nabil Al Arabi, which remains to be confirmed, is of fundamental importance.
Mr. Al Arabi had indicated almost month ago his resolve to open the border at Rafah and end the Gaza blockade.
UPDATE: 9:53pm EDT, Egypt time 3:53pm
"The Egyptian Navy is forcing us out of their territorial waters and has asked us to go to international waters. One Egyptian patrol boat is coming very fast from behind with a gun pointing at us." Everyone is calm and steady. We are okay."
From our latest communication with the ship, it appears that the Egyptian Navy is collaborating with the Israelis with a view to endangering the security of the ship.
Originally posted by Hugues de Payens
reply to post by djyorkie
This is nothing more than an intentional provocation of Israel by progressives and Islamists.
The goal is not "humanitarian". The goal is to, as always, make Israel the bad guy in the eyes of the world....nothing more. I do not care if you are a Zionist or a "real Jew". Israel is a nation. It has the right to defend itself from all enemies, foreign or domestic.
Israel should board the ship, remove and arrest it's occupants since they are unarmed, confiscate any useful contraband, and sink it..
ETA: Israel is showing much more restraint than the bone heads on this ship or their sponsors deserve.
On May 16, immediately following the Israeli attack, the Egyptian authorities came on board, inspected the ship's cargo and documentation and acknowledged the humanitarian nature of the mission.
LATEST UPDATE, Tuesday, 24 May 2011, 7.13am EDT, 13.13 local time
According to our latest communication (satellite phone) from the ship, the boat is still stranded in territorial waters.
The Egyptian port authorities have not received instructions to allow the ship to berth, despite the decision of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs which was communicated to the Malaysian embassy. According to sources, it would appear that the decision is being blocked by Egypt's Military Intelligence, in consultation with Tel Aviv anbd Washington.
Meanwhile the ship has become a de facto prison. It is running out of water and food.
"Our water supply is totally finished. We are now using sea water to clean ourselves, flush toilet, and wash dishes. We are only using half a bottle of mineral water for final cleansing of cooking utensils, after boiling it to get rid of the oil and dirt.
Each member of the crew and passenger must get their own pail of sea water each time they use the toilet and to flush it. We are now rationing our drinking water supply which consists of limited bottles of mineral water. However, the spirit and morale of the team is high and we are resolute to face all eventualities and to defeat and overcome any schemes that may prevent the cargo from reaching Gaza."