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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Frater210



AV: You seem, Frater, someone who started on the path of Kabbalistic Magick then became disgusted or frightened by it. Am I wrong?

Frater210: I was hoping someone would ask me about the Kabbalah. Geez, took long enough.

How does anyone start off on the path to 'Magick' without being bombarded with Kabbalah? So yes, I went home and studied the stupid Kabbalah for several years; memorizing all of my correspondences like a good little initiate. The whole time part of me was wondering what the hell I was doing it for.

Anyhow, I was not frightened by it and not really disgusted by it in itself.

It is just that it is bullsh!$. Really, really useless for anything. There a better ways to build a card catalog of correspondences in you head. Can anyone please tell me why the Kabbalah is useful. Why you are content to work with a broken map of creation as the basis for your Theurgy? To me it is the equivalent of emptying out a bag of trash and playing in it.

Also, are you Jewish? I'm not and I have no affinity whatsoever for the Hebrew Kabbalah.

That is why I really focus on Alchemy and because of the influence of my most recent teacher; Simple Nature. Which modern Biology makes not so simple.

Anyway, it is busy work meant to keep you pre-occupied with nothing. I suppose it is just my opinion but I hope it may be a refreshing one.

What really clinches it for me? Is that not in the Oprah thread? If it isn't I will try to sum it up for you. May take me a while to get back to you though.

Have a good day folks.




With a screen name like Frater210, I assumed that you must be a student of some branch of Western Ceremonial Magick (whether Rosicrucian or Ogdoadic) which is founded on the Kabbalah.

Certainly, I'm not selling Kabbalistic Magick. You're free to consider the Kabbalah as garbage.

You don't have to be Jewish to have an interest in the Kabbalah. It's basic to Western Magick and Hermetics.

No, I'm not Jewish.

















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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by Jinglelord

I don't look at Karma like most people do and also don't look at predestination. To me it is a moot point which I would liken to a person debating the merits of breathing. Free will may or may not be an illusion. It can't matter. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm saying it can't just like how it can't matter as to if breathing is good or not.

By living, by even existing, we are a part of a construct some call God, some call the Universe, some call it the Goddess, and some call it Steve the Monkey. It's only different names for the same thing. Clever names and faces for what is essentially everything. Where is this going?

To hop on over to the point (hopefully without missing too much) If we are a part of everything (which without doubt we are: All after this can be expanded on but will not as I am not going to write a book nobody will read) then we need to take the leap to see that everything is in some way inter connected. If we take the leap and see all is interconnected we just need to make two more jumps: If it is interconnected every piece in one way effects every other. Here is the biggest jump, if you take you have no choice but to agree: Time is a construct used to perceive our experience in a linear manner. This means that all things happened and time is the window in which it is being experienced. Just like a book that was written.

So it isn't that your destiny can't be changed or transcended as much as it is that you have already changed or transcended as much as you ever would you just don't know it yet. (Please be reminded I could and have go on about this for hours upon hours and am trying to not take too much time.)

Finally on the Holy Guardian angel...

I just want to say that if it is God / Universe in a form man can approach it is no different from anything else because as have established to my mind this concept is everything. And being Everything all things in all dimensions in all places are simply parts that can be approached by whatever is viewing / experiencing it.

Maybe the Guardian is more like a neural node connected directly to what would be similar to the Universe's nervous system where a more direct communication can take place? I'd buy that one.


Yes. Your: "Time is a construct used to perceive our experience in a linear manner. This means that all things happened and time is the window in which it is being experienced. Just like a book that was written."
got my attention.

It sounds like you've read Neville Goddard. He's usually classified as a New Thought writer (died 1972), but he was also a strange mystic.

Neville believed that every possible outcome (every possible permutation of reality) already exists.
What the individual experiences is what he focuses on. Very interesting idea.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:13 AM
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It does not matter, only the will of the adept and the intent of its actions.

Its clear then to me then by all accounts, that its energy, ours and theirs in a struggle for power, in the battle of a lifetime to understand and learn to react to the strange forces that are beyond measure and comprehension, that death is the Ultimate measure to which compare our actions, and in the process, learn that nothing in this world is free, and that it takes all we have got to rise above our perceived limits, as everything is possible, with responsibility and power to accept the reaches of our actions, whatever these may be.


Chaos? my friend AV, I have sometimes heard the Spirit be called that, as it contains all names and meanings, as is the Only force I recognize, the one that gave and will take even the memory of my passing from this mysterious world.

The Eight Pointed Star contains in essence the direction of all paths, states, realities, and still all directions have only one source.
The middle path is the one that is most recommended while meddling without the human form the dealings of the inhumane.

cheers!

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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous

You, sir, have at your disposal and as your birth-right a mind-bogglingly massive amount of "power". Two catches, and those significantly less unpleasant than the usual clauses: you can't keep the power, and you can't command it. Asking is key.

...I view all predator-prey relationships as short-sighted cannibalism. It's strip-mining for coal in your backyard when you have photo-voltaic panels ready to be utilized.


I love that: strip-mining coal versus photo-voltaic panels. And so true.



AV: This is strange as a wedding gift but they may be a strange couple. This is a disturbing image of a blindfolded armless, legless "human torso" freak forced to eke out a living as an "Oracle." Is that stick in her mouth used to point to the "Wheel of Fortune?" Where did you find this image?

Mistermonculous: I, er, I painted it. And yeah, they're pretty odd. And, yup, your interpretation of the implied narrative is spot-on. I would add that it speaks to my view of predestination. A blind slave devoid of volition, using her baton to spin a wheel with all the signifiers long since effaced. It's meant to disturb. Also, the figure was painted with phosphorescent paint, and she glows in the dark.


Yes, I know you painted it. But you had mentioned elsewhere that you sometimes use photos in your art work. I did not phrase my question clearly. I'm glad the torso is an imaginary image and not a real girl. To think of a real girl having to work like that in a subway environment is enough to give me nightmares -- not just pathetic but dangerous. BTW your artwork rocks.



Timewalker: I am a loner. I like being with people too very much, but I gotta have me time.

Mistermonculous: My take on Frater's sensible injunction to avoid isolation, is that being physically alone is a non-issue. It's only when you fail to perceive your connections to others (maybe everyone) that you run the risk of a shark attack.


Thanks, Mistermonculous, for that clarification. I was taking Frater210 too literally. Your take on this makes more sense.




AV: This is interesting, Frater. So you believe we are literally living in a Prison Planet?

Frater210: Yes. And on 'lockdown'.

Mistermonculous: You don't have to work on Maggie's Farm, guys. As above, so below is only an intractable injunction if you fail to realize that any system can be altered from the center outward.

Which is where we lucky goldfish are positioned.


Excellent words of inspiration. Ra, Ra, Ra -- Gooooo NooNauts! Toooowards a Solar Civilization!



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:21 AM
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I vaguely recall reading Neville years ago and this might be where I got the idea originally. Once I integrate an idea though,,, it is mine and I often forget where it came from. By integrate I mean Grok (Heinlein anyone?)

I don't see what I do as picking and choosing as some here **Cough Frater210 Cough** think. I see that I am piecing together a very very very complicated puzzle and and many people have it partially correct. In order to get closer to the truth one must find what each person or group has gotten right. I do this by using what I have that passes for reason. I believe you can test it scientifically as well in the sense that if you are correct you should be able to expect certain outcomes when certain things occur. Still trying to figure that out.

Back to the point... I really feel like time and space and how they relate to our higher or spiritual selves / existence is very often overlooked or glossed over; however, is one of the single most important keys to finding a deeper understanding.

Does an energy vampire matter to our greater understanding? Not so much, but it is practical, does how time effects predestination contribute to our greater understanding? I would say of course as it is linked with our purpose, our meaning, and so many other things I can't even really begin.

We need to decide what time is, once we know that all the answers to how / if free will, karma, predestination, and the universal clockwork that is existence plays out will simply fall into place.
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:39 AM
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as I originally posted this to Jinglelord on Page 25 of this thread:


Oopsy. Sorry about that.



My understanding is that the Holy Guardian Angel is none other than God. God in a form man can approach.

"the Single Supreme Ritual is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. It is the raising of the complete man in a vertical straight line." Aleister Crowley, "Magick in Theory and Practice"


Yeah, OK, if your gonna twist my arm and cite the whole 'Supreme Ritual' thing I suppose that once you finish that you, uh, well; I'll let you be the Centre of Pestilence (hope you get the joke there
) on this one I can't really define the results of completing what you are referring to here. But I imagine it would be analogous to completing the Abramelin Operation and since I don't know anything beyond that which I have read I can say that rumour has it, it produces some type of 'god-man'. Ick.

No, I am talking about something more along the lines of Jung's 'Daimon' Philemon. He also called it the 'Genius'.




"The Holy Guardian Angel is the divine object of devotion of the Bhakti Yogi; Krishna to the Hindu, and Christ to the Christian." Lon Milo Duquette, "The Magick of Thelema"


Bhakti is cool and all that but it can take a Western (Occidental) person a little bit of time to build up enough steam ( I crack myself up ) to really engage with this concept. I have never found that extremes of devotional Love have been required for me to be in touch with my HGA. Lon is also a very wise man and what he is referring to is very serious business for Thelemites.



Dr. Christopher Hyatt called it the "Divine Self."


Yeah. Because that is all he can get out between sips of ................



This is echoed by Israel Regardie (Golden Dawn) and Denning & Phillips, "The Foundations of High Magick"


Yep. The usual suspects. Have you ever checked out the Supreme Ritual of the HGA? I bet you have.
Do you think that any of these dorks including Crowley actually did any of this stuff to completion?
If you think they did you had better U2U me or I am going to have to start a thread on this. Which I have considered.
When I was half my age I sought all of these people out that I could. Freed by an early divorce, I threw caution to the wind and set out. One of the things I love most about the Occult is the personalities and the history. Especially the very anecdotal history. Anyhow, just be assured; all of these guys set their own standards for their accomplishments and if you knew the particulars you would see that the reality of it falls short of their writings about it.

This is absolutely not true of Lon Duquette.



The Holy Guardian Angel is the same thing as the Atman, the spark of the Divine in man, directly plugged into God.


This is hard for most folks to get their head around. It is and it isn't. Anyhow, I think you are beginning to see that I don't think you have to pull yourself through your own rectum with all of these bionic rituals to contact your HGA.
I respect you if you wish to go on with that sort of thing. You seem very level headed and if you do it I hope that you write about it so that I can read it. Do it while you are young and unattached though because you are going to need to seclude yourself and all of that.
Otherwise the thing is there waiting to help you anyway. How do you suppose you know the things you damn well know that you aren't supposed to know?
You know what I mean.



I was taught that attaining the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel is the same thing as becoming God-realized -- a self-realized being.


Me too. By a bunch of guys who are spending their lives doing exactly what I do not want to spend my life doing. Too many people need just basic help out there. So I am trying to put my self in the best position possible to do that. I am working towards just that



How do you define the Holy Guardian Angel?


You gossit now.



I know you (Frater210) are not a Chaos Magician. That question was directed to TheOneEyedProphet.


There is another guy who could be Frater210 but is not who once was (a Chaos magician). He was lost in action in the canyons near the Pacific Ocean. R.I.P.

If you knew what I 'am' now your hair would stand on end. Muahahahahaha.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 02:42 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous
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I'm thrumming because, is it just me, or is it odd that you posted this:

www.neurofeedbackdefined.com...

and I posted this here:

one hour ago?

Because:

"GLobal Brain Paintings" are created from GCP/EGG data using adapted neurofeedback algorithms developed to show the complex beauty of brain activity.


so


Some pictures from the constellation of the universe and the sun with its eruptions and polarlights .


The two patterns seem very similar to me. One is a model of the cosmic order, the other that of our brains.

Humph.
edit on 25-5-2011 by mistermonculous because: linky, ar.


This is pretty amazing. I'll have to come back to this when I have more time.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Jinglelord
reply to post by timewalker
 


I can't remember who was asking about Chaos Magicians earlier...

Anyway we probably have one here.

I don't even really understand what that is but it does sound like fun!


I had asked the question of TheOneEyedProphet because his post sounded like something written by a Chaos Magician. And his avatar appears to contain a chaosphere, eight pointed symbol of Chaos. (Ironically, the eight pointed star is also the symbol of the very traditional Aurum Solis.)

I'm sure you've run into them, they're not a tightly organized bunch.

Austin Osman Spare (former student of Aleister Crowley) is kind of the "father of Chaos Magick" -- they specialize in sigil magick.

Have you heard of Peter Carroll, Ray Sherwin, Phil Hine, etc?

Their enemies call them "New Age Satanists" -- not entirely wrong, but not accurate either.
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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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I've heard of the New Age Satanists... Not the COS with our friend LaVey but some other group that supposedly was an extension of what Crowley was trying to do. I would assume it was probably the same. I'll look into it.

Not that I'm going to do it. Sorcery of any type isn't my gig.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by mistermonculous
reply to post by Jinglelord
 


Ideal trans-humanism:

Frank Herbert and David Lynch are stone freaks:


"Blade Runner" -- one of my faves -- love Ridley Scott.

"Dune" the movie was disappointing, but the books were worth reading.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by TheOneEyedProphet
It does not matter, only the will of the adept and the intent of its actions.

Its clear then to me then by all accounts, that its energy, ours and theirs in a struggle for power, in the battle of a lifetime to understand and learn to react to the strange forces that are beyond measure and comprehension, that death is the Ultimate measure to which compare our actions, and in the process, learn that nothing in this world is free, and that it takes all we have got to rise above our perceived limits, as everything is possible, with responsibility and power to accept the reaches of our actions, whatever these may be.


Chaos? my friend AV, I have sometimes heard the Spirit be called that, as it contains all names and meanings, as is the Only force I recognize, the one that gave and will take even the memory of my passing from this mysterious world.

The Eight Pointed Star contains in essence the direction of all paths, states, realities, and still all directions have only one source.
The middle path is the one that is most recommended while meddling without the human form the dealings of the inhumane.

cheers!


Your avatar seems to contain an eight pointed chaosphere. Is this correct?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by Jinglelord
reply to post by AuranVector
 


I vaguely recall reading Neville years ago and this might be where I got the idea originally. Once I integrate an idea though,,, it is mine and I often forget where it came from. By integrate I mean Grok (Heinlein anyone?)



Grok is one of my favorite words. Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land."



I don't see what I do as picking and choosing as some here **Cough Frater210 Cough** think. I see that I am piecing together a very very very complicated puzzle and and many people have it partially correct. In order to get closer to the truth one must find what each person or group has gotten right. I do this by using what I have that passes for reason. I believe you can test it scientifically as well in the sense that if you are correct you should be able to expect certain outcomes when certain things occur. Still trying to figure that out.

Back to the point... I really feel like time and space and how they relate to our higher or spiritual selves / existence is very often overlooked or glossed over; however, is one of the single most important keys to finding a deeper understanding.

Does an energy vampire matter to our greater understanding? Not so much, but it is practical, does how time effects predestination contribute to our greater understanding? I would say of course as it is linked with our purpose, our meaning, and so many other things I can't even really begin.

We need to decide what time is, once we know that all the answers to how / if free will, karma, predestination, and the universal clockwork that is existence plays out will simply fall into place.
.


Well, of course, we're going to choose the pieces of the puzzle that make sense to us, that resonate with our personal experiences. Yes, we've all read many books and when have we agreed with EVERYTHING a particular author writes? Probably never. We take what makes sense to us.

Just from the standpoint of common sense mental health, we should believe what inspires us.

Time is a mystery. I don't think it's something that can be understood by the Left side of the brain.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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AV: My understanding is that the Holy Guardian Angel is none other than God. God in a form man can approach.

"the Single Supreme Ritual is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. It is the raising of the complete man in a vertical straight line." Aleister Crowley, "Magick in Theory and Practice"

Frater210: Yeah, OK, if your gonna twist my arm and cite the whole 'Supreme Ritual' thing I suppose that once you finish that you, uh, well; I'll let you be the Centre of Pestilence (hope you get the joke there
) on this one I can't really define the results of completing what you are referring to here. But I imagine it would be analogous to completing the Abramelin Operation and since I don't know anything beyond that which I have read I can say that rumour has it, it produces some type of 'god-man'. Ick.

No, I am talking about something more along the lines of Jung's 'Daimon' Philemon. He also called it the 'Genius'.


Why “ick” when describing someone as a “god-man”? I thought that was the end goal of spiritual seekers.



AV: "The Holy Guardian Angel is the divine object of devotion of the Bhakti Yogi; Krishna to the Hindu, and Christ to the Christian." Lon Milo Duquette, "The Magick of Thelema"

Frater210: Bhakti is cool and all that but it can take a Western (Occidental) person a little bit of time to build up enough steam ( I crack myself up ) to really engage with this concept. I have never found that extremes of devotional Love have been required for me to be in touch with my HGA. Lon is also a very wise man and what he is referring to is very serious business for Thelemites.

Dr. Christopher Hyatt called it the "Divine Self."

Yeah. Because that is all he can get out between sips of ................


Bhakti is considered one of the easier ways of connecting with the Holy Guardian Angel. Some call the HGA, the Secret Lover.

Okay, Dr. Hyatt isn’t famous for being a sterling character. But he may know one or two things about Magick.



AV: This is echoed by Israel Regardie (Golden Dawn) and Denning & Phillips, "The Foundations of High Magick"

Frater210: Yep. The usual suspects. Have you ever checked out the Supreme Ritual of the HGA? I bet you have.
Do you think that any of these dorks including Crowley actually did any of this stuff to completion?
If you think they did you had better U2U me or I am going to have to start a thread on this. Which I have considered.
When I was half my age I sought all of these people out that I could. Freed by an early divorce, I threw caution to the wind and set out. One of the things I love most about the Occult is the personalities and the history. Especially the very anecdotal history. Anyhow, just be assured; all of these guys set their own standards for their accomplishments and if you knew the particulars you would see that the reality of it falls short of their writings about it.

This is absolutely not true of Lon Duquette.


Of course, I read “The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage” many years ago. I have never been tempted to try it. Just too difficult.

Supposedly, Aleister Crowley completed it at Boleskin House. It’s hard to believe considering his behavior.



AV: The Holy Guardian Angel is the same thing as the Atman, the spark of the Divine in man, directly plugged into God.

Frater210: This is hard for most folks to get their head around. It is and it isn't. Anyhow, I think you are beginning to see that I don't think you have to pull yourself through your own rectum with all of these bionic rituals to contact your HGA.
I respect you if you wish to go on with that sort of thing. You seem very level headed and if you do it I hope that you write about it so that I can read it. Do it while you are young and unattached though because you are going to need to seclude yourself and all of that.
Otherwise the thing is there waiting to help you anyway. How do you suppose you know the things you damn well know that you aren't supposed to know?
You know what I mean.


I’ve never been tempted to try the Abramelin operation. I don’t think it’s necessary. There are simpler methods.



AV: I was taught that attaining the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel is the same thing as becoming God-realized -- a self-realized being.

Frater210: Me too. By a bunch of guys who are spending their lives doing exactly what I do not want to spend my life doing. Too many people need just basic help out there. So I am trying to put my self in the best position possible to do that. I am working towards just that


I’m not sure what you mean here. What kind of “basic help” are you giving people?



There is another guy who could be Frater210 but is not who once was (a Chaos magician). He was lost in action in the canyons near the Pacific Ocean. R.I.P.

If you knew what I 'am' now your hair would stand on end. Muahahahahaha.


Now I’m really confused? Whaaaa?

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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by Jinglelord
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I've heard of the New Age Satanists... Not the COS with our friend LaVey but some other group that supposedly was an extension of what Crowley was trying to do. I would assume it was probably the same. I'll look into it.

Not that I'm going to do it. Sorcery of any type isn't my gig.


To me, Chaos magicians are NOT Satanists (I'm sure you could find exceptions to this) but generally speaking, just not the same crowd.

Anton LaVey and his First Church of Satan was a bad joke. However there's an offshoot, Temple of Set, that is not a joke. It was founded by Michael A. Aquino, a former US Army officer who was trained in PsyOps.

I remember a story where Aquino bragged about performing a ritual in a Weisbaden (Germany) castle that served as the SS Headquarters. Not sure what he was up to -- maybe trying to connect with their Nazi egregore?



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 05:17 AM
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I haven't read the last couple of pages yet guys, but wanted to share an insight I had while pondering the enigma of 'The Goldfish' symbol last night.

We, the ones who were considered awake, aware and capable of mounting some sort of spiritual self-defence, were being monitored by human security services. The goldfish IS NOT US. Rather, it is something that we are in possession of, that we are carrying with us, not trying to conceal it, not concerned if anyone is taking notice for non-constructive reasons.

We are carrying hope, awareness, insight and perceptivity. Perceptivity is a key part of the symbolism.

Consider the humble goldfish. He swims around in his glass bowl; he can see clearly IN ALL DIRECTIONS, and is unrestricted in terms of what he can see when he turns his eye towards some new direction.
I see that as an indication that whatever we put our attention on, we will clearly interpret the correct message, relevance or intent behind the thing that we are observing. That is a powerful gift in itself.

Secondly - look at the positioning of the goldfishes eyes. The eyes are positioned on each side of the head. Meaning they can see in more than one direction at a time. Which is a distinct advantage over people or creatures who can only look in one direction at a time.

I believe that this symbolically represents our ability to SEE CLEARLY in a supernatural, or 'different but useful' way when compared to regular folk (NB - we are all 'regular folk' until we start unlocking the mysteries, when we are given a goldfish of our own to carry and care for...)

I would like to take that a step further, and suggest that the direct meaning is that we can SEE INTO THE NOOSPHERE - during our dreams, meditations and prayers. Again, an amazing gift also. Now it gets even more interesting when I tell you that 'some' (all, with practice) of us can even see through the fabric of reality, and are able as a result to get some glimpses of those things that our physical senses are not ordinarily conditioned to see...

Why would the security services be concerned to monitor all confirmed, potential or suspected Noonauts? Well, quite simply, such people might have an insight into secret workings of the reality construct within which we all operate at this time in History. I suspect that they have branded us 'rebels' because we refuse to conform to the general levels of mind control that operate through the mainstream media and mainstream politics. However, I get a key discernment that there is no longer a fixed 'us and them' mentality from the security services. I firmly believe that some of those who have operated for many years within such roles are now considering that the Noonauts and their techniques may have a potential beneficial use for mankind as a whole (NB - I don't consider myself a fully-fledged Noonaut as I am unable to lucid-dream on demand. Just haven't practiced yet; I suspect that with a bit of focused WILL it should become feasible very quickly...)

What type of benefit could we and others like us become?
Remember that in my dream of the invasion and fight-back, two people at a time teamed up together - one for attacking (using the alien tech against the aliens) and one defence warrior?

The security services, military and others might now consider that Noonauts (or their techniques, if they can be applied to militarily-trained operatives) could prove an incredibly useful form of defence against some of the Noetically-advanced powers in the universe who may seek to harm Humanity. The security agents, with their military prowess and prior combat experience would assume that they will be able to act forcibly to repel any aggressive invasion by non-human forces in partnership with noetic intuition and insights on what's coming (this method of working together would become especially crucial, if those forces arrive unexpectedly...)

I reason that the dreams, philosophies and general thoughts/ discussions we have been over in this thread have been analysed thoroughly already by esoterically-oriented intelligence analysts (and let's face it, they would need some people on board who were able to noetically discern whether some coven or other was trying to curse a legion of demons onto the Prime Minister...
... )


I trust that my logic is moderately sound here. I can't see that there is any distinction now between 'us and them', except in terms of what we do on a day-to-day basis. I believe they are taking us to be a source of data, yes, which needs to be carefully and expertly parsed, but which may be of great benefit to the security concerns of our respective governing officials.

*** *** *** *** *** *** ***

Of course, there are many sources of intel, and I don't believe that the Noonaut Collective is likely to be in the top ten favourites. However, I wouldn't be surprised if that situation changes as we develop and progress to the next stages of our 'collaborative-intuitive' training program.... I hope that the messages I've been receiving of a night-time - regarding a layer of well-resourced support for our collective safety - are accurate.

My intuition is that alongside our Guardian Angel and any 'Interested Spiritual / ET Intelligences', we all have at least one human agent looking out for us on a casual basis, and taking useful data from us as and when it crops up.

Who knows whether one of my recent dreams has symbolically portrayed the entire exopolitical landscape as it currently stands? I certainly don't know if that's the case - though such an exposition being typed out on a public forum may have been a lightning bolt of a message for anyone monitoring the situation. Such dream descriptions could be used as precise evidence that I am somehow receiving data from a reputable and intelligent source other than my own subconscious.

In itself, I will never know whether such a speculation is true, though perhaps one day the interactions between the respective members of this (if real) currently one-sided alliance will open up to involve actual e-based, verbal or personal interactions - if that happens, then it might be fascinating to find out the way in which things were monitored 'before everything changed'.

I suppose it all depends on way in which the (outer space / extra-dimensional) exopolitics, and the plans of the Elite, the rebellions of the masses etc start to pan out over the next few weeks and months...

As I said in another thread yesterday - I do not intend to inspire or support revolution. I intend to find answers, to survive in order to fulfil my duties in respect of protecting my family, and to assist others in any way that I can if the SHTF (non-violently wherever possible - violence would only be an option to prevent the rape, kidnap or murder of some innocent civilian by bandits.) I intend to develop my noonautical compass - and to seek guidance from the Higher-Ups (universally speaking) regarding what should be done as the world begins to change.


All the best - and I look forward to reading over the pages I've not seen yet.



Fly..



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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They weren't Satanists, JL. Maybe worse. I do not know if these guys are who you are talking about but here are at least some threads to pull on. I understand if you are not interested much in this but I thought I would throw it out there. Just in the spirit of fun...

I think just about everybody here knows these guys...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

But not everybody may know about this guy and his 'Choronzon Club', though. AV might.
Like I mentioned I get a lot of entertainment value out of following the personalities and history...

en.wikipedia.org...

Cannot believe I found this on Wikipedia. See what I mean guys? It is all just lying around now. This info was so hard to research just 15 years ago.
Anyhow, You may not have heard of Bertiaux before.

Also, this is a far stretch but this guy was involved with Bertiaux and this is one of the more bizarre tales in the annals of American Martial Arts history...

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry, AV, you are right. These guys are no joke, Actually they are a bunch of assholes and a whole thread could be dedicated to Michael Aquino if one has not been already.
en.wikipedia.org...

The overwhelming theme that I have recognized with these different groups, even all the way back to the middle of the 19th century, is Fashion. Occult fashions change just like any other type of fashion. For instance, at the last turn of the century it was extraordinarily popular to be a Templarized Freemason with secret knowledge from Egypt. Remember that one?
And in the seventies and eighties it was all about the weird crap posted above. And in the nineties it was Chaos Magick (rolls eyes; great idea at the incept but, oh well...).

There is an especially cool ( I think so, anyway ) variation on occult fashion that is occurring presently and it comes outta Britain. My guess is that AV is up to speed on it. Can any one else fathom a guess or does anyone else know what it is? The reason I ask is to illustrate my point about fashion.



This video may make sense right away to those that are currently fashionable.

I must admit that there is still a young enthusiastic occultist inside of me that still likes to try on these different fashions and play 'dress up playtime' occasionally. Gotta have fun.

So there is a new current travelling through the 'Occulto-Sphere'. Anyone down with it?



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posted on May, 26 2011 @ 09:38 AM
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Hay, AV.



It's basic to Western Magick and Hermetics.


Yes. From your (our) perspective it would seem that way but there is a reason for it...


The Oration also served as an introduction to Pico's 900 theses, which he believed to provide a complete and sufficient basis for the discovery of all knowledge, and hence a model for mankind's ascent of the chain of being. The 900 Theses are a good example of humanist syncretism, because Pico combined Platonism, Neoplatonism, Aristotelianism, Hermeticism and Kabbalah. They also included 72 theses describing what Pico believed to be a complete system of physics.



Source:en.wikipedia.org...

You know this is the guy responsible for Kabbalah being in your Hermeticism. I don't buy it.

Again, why would I drive a studebaker in 2011? This stuff is just a bunch of useless busywork. I think we are well past the 'staute of limitations' on Pico Della Mirandola, 1463-1494.

Just food for thought.



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Noos From The Noosphere.

Metaphysics and money: Are alternative advisers worth exploring?




How open are you to new schools of thought? I must admit to being extraordinarily skeptical about most unprovable ideas. Sure many concepts are intangible but quite real - love, lust, hope, and the like. But what about psychics? Attracting good things by emitting positive vibes?

I wrote the following story for CreditCards.com, and during my research I spoke with the most wonderful people. Besides being genuinely committed to the merit of their practices, they were also kind and warm. I was hypnotized, had my energy balanced, and sailed my magic boat into the night (after assembling my crew - who were to return with answers to my troubles, but instead sent me back a little brown duck. Still trying to figure that one out.)


sfgate.com



posted on May, 26 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Between Phillip Dick, Robert Heinlein, Douglas Adams, George Orwell, Larry Niven, Jerry Pournell, not to mention the likes of Poe, Lovecraft and even guys like Melville, and Twain... Sure you could toss one or two more good ones in but the point being that in my experience these guys outstrip occult how-to, secret texts, and dedicated philosophical and religious texts. Everything you need to know about life is hidden in their "Fictions" regardless of if it is this life or the next, they have it hidden in plain site.

Heinlein is my favorite though and a lot of my philosophy is based in his.

I'm not 100% sure it is about believing what inspires us as much as it is trying to just find the construct that makes sense and works for you... I guess that is inspiring though,,, never mind

I'm not really it matters to actually be correct if it works to improve and make your life better.

Time can be understood by the human brain but the right and left need to work in concert. It is a mystery but I think a fish can comprehend water thus we can understand time... Just a feeling I have, I have no good reasons really.

Satanists:

First off Anton LaVey's COS was not a bad joke, it was a very good joke. I think it is very funny at least.

I have never looked into the Temple of Set in any detail... I had assumed they were just a bunch of kids playing like the COS. If this isn't the case maybe I should try to study up...

I'm not opposed to hedonistic humanism which is in essence all any organized Satanist org I've seen is. I've never heard of or seen any real group that isn't just a bunch of punks playing at evil who are real Satanists... IE those who worship Satan as the Fallen Angel from God's grace.

Maybe I should ask as I guess I'm not really clear: What is a real Satanist? (In 7 sentences or less)



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