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ATS The Time Is NOW! STOP THE FEAR!!

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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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I did not say this. Just the thing that caught my attention was this commonality we all share. I still hold to my symbol, firmly. With that said, I have received quite a bit of confirmation in this post. There must be a lot of U2U's going on behind the scenes that I am not seeing, because you guys seem to be all over the place here. I look for common ground that is not hard for others to grasp or comprehend.


I think we're all sort of being highly experimental and spontaneously finding new elements to add to the smorgasboard. It's all still very raw, unfiltered, unprocessed, still in the big-bang stage of development. I can speak for myself and Timewalker, that we had very little prior exposure to the vast majority of information and lines of speculation that have been introduced into these threads.

Difficult to comprehend? Yeah, my head feels two sizes too small most of the time.



This thread is over the heads of the little guy. Most who would venture here would lose interest because they would have no idea what is being said. After all, what is the point of this thread? Personal growth or wanting to share something that will help others.


I think at this point, the goal is personal understanding facilitated by idea exchange.Although I'd love it if the ideas being discussed here were universally accessible, I don't see that as a realistic prospect.

Also, I must admit, this hit a sore nerve for me. I am a high-functioning autist (just a touch, but that's all it takes), and have always felt like I needed a translator to have a productive conversation. I have made great strides in simplifying and stream-lining the way I am naturally inclined to speak, and have struggled to adapt my communication style so that I can engage in conversation without eliciting that old "uh, you're from Mars, huh?" look from the listener.

I would love at some point to apply that process to the ideas being discussed here so that they are readily accessible to a wide range of readers. I just feel like I need to hash them out in my native language before I can really do that effectively.




posted on May, 22 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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The general consensus amongst folks seems to be that ‘Life is just lessons’ if this is true then we are left with the question of ‘What is the purpose of these lessons’.

We have been discussing human suffering and fear. Many who have posted and written on this subject here and elsewhere seem to be saying when we experience the world as suffering and strife it is because we do not have the right perspective or our thinking is faulty. It is our fault because we create our own reality and we are responsible for changing the thoughts and actions that create it.

The message that seems to be communicated by this thinking is that there is this magnificent universe of learning and enlightenment that we can connect to if we can only get over ourselves somehow as individuals.

As people we are trained from birth to expect that reward will follow effort, pleasure must somehow surely follow pain so for all of our suffering how could anyone be faulted for expecting that after a lifetime of grief that we would be bound for some realm of peace and tranquility.

So I ask you; what do you suppose the point is of all of this pain and suffering? If the lessons are primarily about human pain and suffering and how we cause one another to suffer then what is the lesson? What the hell are we being taught here? What are we being trained to do?

If we are being trained to cope with trauma, loss, defeat, betrayal, psychopathic bosses and co-workers and tyrants of all shades then what is this supposed to be teaching us or training us for?

Because if we are being developed into beings that are supposed to inhabit and master these so-called ‘supra-luminal dimensions’ or whatever the newage crew are calling them, then based on our training what should we expect to find there. What could we possibly be being prepared for?

As above So Below does not mean “As above So below Except For the Poor Boneheads That Can’t Shake Their Negativity” (or whatever version of ‘The Secret’ is being pandered to). The Mysteries are not a Rorschach test. Picking the bits we like and rejecting others to make a personal montage that suits our sense of aesthetics is not the answer. So take a look around. If it is like this down here then it is like this ‘up there’. Now what do we suppose we are being trained for?

That is why there is an emphasis in occult training on gaining control of one’s self. We must do all we can to gain possession of ourselves. We can begin by trying to identify the ways that we hurt one another and cause fear in one another and then just stop doing it. And we must look at the ways that we ourselves are a source of fear and suffering for ourselves.

Separation, division and atomization are the weapons of The Enemy. Folks, this won’t be very popular around here but I have to tell you; the 60s and 70s? The sexual revolution? A nightmare for Humanity and Human Beings. The message then seemed to be for people to separate from their families and seek out new families where all these wonderful things that used to be ‘taboo’ could be explored. Being as it is that I am trained to look for the ‘gift in the wound’ I can appreciate that we could not be where we are today without having gone through those times but if we are realistic and truthful with ourselves regarding this we will see that we are in quite a mess because of it.

It is like this; We were told that the greatest show on Earth was going to be put on and we were all invited for Free! And so of course we all went to the show. And while we were all there our homes (souls) were robbed of every valuable thing in them. And then somehow when we got home and saw that all the valuable things had been stolen we did some rapid calculations and just determined that it had been worth it all. Was it worth it all?

But, Frater, what about all the great things we learned from the East and The Summer of Love and all of that. I would just like to invite anyone who would ask this to take a look at Ashby’s Law of Requisite Variety. Do we really think that all of that would have remained unavailable to us if 'the 60s had never happened? I do not. A system can be broken by either over-feeding or under-feeding it. I will let you finish the equation.

To face Fear directly is to be bold and brave. We must do the difficult work and return to our families; even if just little by little. We must return to hear the important messages that they have for us and to communicate the important messages that we have for them. Try to resolve some of the Karma between ourselves. It is time to start sweeping up. We’ve had a nice camping trip.








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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Frater210

Well done.

I cannot think of a more appropriate place for this video! We must find in ourselves to look within others.

Now everybody go grab a family member, friend and or stranger and dance. Never forget where the real important things are in our lives. They are closer than we think.




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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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We have been discussing human suffering and fear. Many who have posted and written on this subject here and elsewhere seem to be saying when we experience the world as suffering and strife it is because we do not have the right perspective or our thinking is faulty. It is our fault because we create our own reality and we are responsible for changing the thoughts and actions that create it.

The message that seems to be communicated by this thinking is that there is this magnificent universe of learning and enlightenment that we can connect to if we can only get over ourselves somehow as individuals.


I'd like to expand on this this line of thought.

The old "suffering has a purpose, everything you suffer you have somehow earned, if you feel injured or that your suffering is unjust, you need to get over yourself" line is just. Effing. Terrible.

Suffering at the hands of others, and the infliction of suffering is not necessary.

Please let that sink in. Telling yourself that someone who seems to get away with the wholesale effing and jeffing of their fellow humans will somehow be dealt some kind of karmic comeuppance is as faulty and backward as the pre-Copernican cosmological model.

The notion of "karma" (which emerged from a society with a rigid caste system) and the necessity of suffering are part of the pre-determinist clap-trap designed to keep the peasants in line.

Those who choose to be jackwads freely perpetrate their jackwaddery because they are crafty and manipulative, yes, but mostly because their behavior goes entirely unchecked. It's that simple.

We live in a global culture dictated by the back-brain; where compassion, ethical conduct, and fair play are actively discouraged from early childhood on. If everyone acts from self-interest, widespread cooperation and unity is a non-existent prospect. Cultivating the "me first, mine, mine, mine" paradigm is in the interest of a plutocratic system of governance, but to my mind, the primary goal behind the "look out for number 1" meme is an atomized population.

As for the "Ego is evil" theme, to me it seems to be the other side of the self-interest coin, as a philosophical control mechanism. Eliminate your sense of self, view your world as an illusion, do not address the circumstances that lead to your suffering, just blunt your capacity to experience it. Oh, while you're at it, dissolve your friendships, your family ties, they are ego-based too. Terrible news.

Oh, and in the above paragraph, I am not referring to anything being discussed in this particular thread, as the way we've approached the ego as a concept is a far cry from the usual pseudo-Buddhist bullpocky.

Oh! The other thing about those who purvey the "eliminate the Ego" snake oil: They spend an awful lot of time navel gazing and alluding to how great and liberated they are. Okay, that's awesome, buddy, now go out and volunteer at a soup kitchen, or a hospice, or, or ANYTHING that might justify your being so full of how enlightened you are.


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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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On a personal note, I was systematically abused by a step-parent as a child. Not as a punishment, but as a way to "toughen me up". Sleeper holds, pressure points, being beaten with a belt, made to stand in a corner for 5 hour stretches with no bathroom breaks, all the while being told that these measures were being taken "for my own good".

I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy the philosophical version now.
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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Well, the post that I made today should have been the only one. It is actually half of a post but I decided to hold back on the other half because I was not sure how relevant it would be. It is also not well edited but...
I had to log back on because the post from MisterMonculous is exactly the kind of bravery that I am suggesting. If anyone is looking for some Mighty Occult Praxis that will move them 'rapidly' forward on the track to 'becoming' then you need look no further than this post.

Using nothing but sheer 'Human Power' (nothing required from 'the higher spheres') MisterMonculous has demonstrated it for us all. It's called 'Honesty' and 'Talking About It' ( H and TAI)...



I was systematically abused by a step-parent as a child. Not as a punishment, but as a way to "toughen me up". Sleeper holds, pressure points, being beaten with a belt, made to stand in a corner for 5 hour stretches with no bathroom breaks, all the while being told that these measures were being taken "for my own good".



Here is the other half of my last post...

I know that we have just as many Men as Women who have been coming to these threads to see what’s up. But where I am going to go now is really directed at the Men as I have no expertise when it comes to Women (and I would not want any as I prefer the Mystery).

Men, there is not going to be nor has there ever been a sexual revolution. I know that we were told that there was but we were fibbed to and while we were out looking for it (and many of us still are; you know who you are) Our Giblets were stolen from us. That’s right. Someone made off with our Giblets.

‘If it feels good do it’ are not instructions for freedom and enlightenment. It’s a trap. And it is not a re-interpretation of ‘Do What Thou Wilt’. The whole thing goes; “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law, love under will”.

So our Giblets have been hijacked. If we want to get them back we are going to need to dump all of the extraneous bullcrap we may be involved in such as online pornography, pornography in general, strippers, prostitutes and affairs. This must be done in order to heal the wound that has been inflicted upon your ‘thigh’ (King Arthur? Anyone?). If we can heal this wound in ourselves by talking about it and working together and breaking the cycle then we can move on to help heal our relationships with those that we love.


Does everyone know the story of the Wire Monkey Mother. You know the one, where they take a new born monkey and put it in a room with fake Wire Monkey and then watch the baby monkey try to bond with the mass of wire.

The reason I bring this up is because as we develop there are a couple of critical times when our nervous systems are open to imprinting. The ‘imprints’ that we take on at these times will then go on to influence our behavior for the rest of our lives. Some unfortunate souls take on bad imprints from other damaged souls as they are developing sexually (and otherwise). If this occurs there is very little chance that the afflicted person will ever be able to go on and form anything but difficult attachments to those they become involved with intimately.

What usually happens is that that person will go on to cope with the sexual trauma by forming ‘soothing mechanisms’ which allow them to let off the steam necessary to ‘perform normally’ in life and in their relationships. I know that we all feel like we are unique little flowers that have our own special ways of expressing our sexuality.

But if it has to be hidden and we find ourselves leading a secret life that has the potential to injure and create feelings of loss and fear in our loved ones then something is wrong. Men, if you are having a problem with this know that you were made that way. You were crafted into that. It is not your fault. Things can be fixed. You have done nothing that you cannot be forgiven for. But it must be stopped. The cycle must be broken We need to talk to one another about this stuff. Those that do not have issues with this can also gain understanding and be there to support their brothers.

Men, we need to stop inducing fear and fear based mechanisms and processes into the lives of our those that we love.



If it doesn't get talked about then nothing will ever really be done about it. And we will remain in bondage. Is The Devil Trump making more sense now? The big loose chains?


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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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Wow, great post OP! So much wisdom. Sorry I jumped in so late to tell you that, but I'm sure you already knew this.


S&F



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Sexual liberation? Yeah, hardly. The old methods of sexual control were breaking down, so a new method was implemented. One that perfectly compliments the Capitalist zeitgeist: commodify the hell out of sexuality. Slapping a price tag on our junk is just another way to have your populous by the short hairs (har).

Step one: Tap the youth culture, inculcate the idea that impersonal groin contact is "free love'.

Step two: Convince women that their "liberation" consists of being sexually permissive and spending an inordinate amount of time and resources on their appearance, generally at the expense of cultivating their better qualities. In addition, let them know that they are "free" to aspire to even the loftiest of professions; provided of course, that they accept a lower wage, maintain their size four figures, and bear the brunt of child-rearing. Oh, and if you have a vag, and do manage to obtain a position of wealth and power, make sure you're extra nice and feminine to compensate for your success. Look what happened to Hillary Clinton and Martha Stewart. No one likes an uppity woman.

Step three: In order for something to be a commodity, it must first be an object. Need I elaborate on this point?

Step four: Bring extreme sexual practices into the porn mainstream, disseminate that material as widely as possible, and make sure it's the woman on the gagging, painfully stuffed end of the stick. Women who don't make the adjustment to these practices are viewed as prudish, and don't know how to please a man.

Step five: Congrats! You now have a society with an astronomical divorce rate, a high percentage of middle-school kids who think Sasha Grey is the sexual norm, and a formidable barrier to the development of intimacy and openness for most members of society.

On the other hand, the commodification of sex may be a deeply rooted pattern. I read a study about a team of behavioral scientists who established a barter system among a test group of chimps. Exchange this type of food for that type, and so forth. They introduced photographs of the business end of female chimps in estrus as a purchasable item. They were astonished to find that despite the proximity of actual female chimps in estrus, the male chimps were still eager to trade food for the photographs.

Odd.


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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Frater210
So our Giblets have been hijacked. If we want to get them back we are going to need to dump all of the extraneous bullcrap we may be involved in such as online pornography, pornography in general, strippers, prostitutes and affairs. This must be done in order to heal the wound that has been inflicted upon your ‘thigh’ (King Arthur? Anyone?). If we can heal this wound in ourselves by talking about it and working together and breaking the cycle then we can move on to help heal our relationships with those that we love.

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Singing... And these are a few of my favorite things!

I feel like your basic premise is to open up communication and honesty and use this to become closer and more intimate in your interpersonal love relationships... Cease the secrets. Am i wrong?

I can't disagree with this because ultimately it will make your life a happier place to be and honesty increases knowledge and learning.

The wound caused by the supposed sexual revolution is a myth in my opinion perpetrated by those pushing religion and trying to keep control. Using this logic women having the right to vote, elimination of racist laws, accepting homosexuality can all fall to the same fates. A wound to be healed.

Families are separated and pain is caused when a person's love tends towards the same sex, or a person of a different ethnicity, families cease talking when a daughter wants to have a job and career instead of raise children.

I would agree that openness, honesty, and compassion will bring us along as a species. But I will tell you the vices of sexuality are not always vices. No more than any other thing we do that makes us feel better. The mental and spiritual masturbation we are partaking in with ATS is not worse or better than looking at porn.

I suppose I am lucky, possibly a bit different and can't understand your argument because of how I was raised and who I am. There is nothing I have done, or will do that I will not discuss with the people in my life I love. They accept me, they love me, and open and honest discussions can happen at any time.

The chains of the devil are the fears that you can't follow who you are, not that you can't conform and give up pleasure in your life.

As always Mr.Frater... Absolutely brilliant! There is nothing more fun me than an intelligent person to disagree with.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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I feel for you with your experience as a youngster. Stuff like that is endemic, yet more often than not goes unexpressed, even between friends, for years. Kudos for speaking up!

I'm glad you've kicked back against the experience, to become such a positive and intellectually focused person.

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I also wanted to drop an apology into the thread - I may have started to contribute too much negatively-oriented stuff, and while it helps me to exorcise my own personal demons from times past, I'm uncertain as to the magnitude of the effect it is having on the Noonaut Collective ..

Apologies if I have come across as disconnected from the main progression of the discussion, or too wrapped up in my past experiences..

PS - Has anyone else added 'Noonaut' to their application spellchecker?!



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
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I also wanted to drop an apology into the thread - I may have started to contribute too much negatively-oriented stuff, and while it helps me to exorcise my own personal demons from times past, I'm uncertain as to the magnitude of the effect it is having on the Noonaut Collective ..

Apologies if I have come across as disconnected from the main progression of the discussion, or too wrapped up in my past experiences..

PS - Has anyone else added 'Noonaut' to their application spellchecker?!




I know the apology wasn't directed at me at least not in whole. But I am going to speak for the group and they can chime in and disagree with me if they do.

A: Nothing you added was in my opinion negative no need to aologize.
B: The negative tones of some of your dreams and speculations were only tones / shades part of the pigment to paint an entire tapestry and added much to its complexity and interest.

C: And and most important: No real collection of thoughts and discourse should be so easy to derail or effect with a bit of negativity.

Even had what you put out been from the bowels of darkness with an intent to set the seed of destruction it can only effect those who let it effect them. This thread is about how to stop the fear. Fear can't be stopped by eliminating fearful things it can only be stopped in the reaction to said fearful things.

Much like any galactic hitchhiker any good guide will remind of us two important things: Don't go anywhere without your towel and Don't Panic. This is why the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy has on the cover in large friendly letters "Don't Panic".

Either way... from my perspective your contributions here are among the best and keep it up and DO NOT apologize.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Thank you, didn't do any of it by myself. Could not have done it without all of you!

I plugged your thread in here a few pages back, it is so good and a must see for everybody.

I will do it again here.

The Enlightened Ego - Solving the Problems of Awakening pt.1



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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I did this a while back. I DO NOT condone the escapism of drugs, unless you really need them. I have been guilty of that myself.

Have a corona with your friends and loosen up the fear.

This is what this thread is trying to get people to loosen up.

This video is a little scary, but as is the neighborhood.


Originally posted by timewalker
I have been doing a lot of my work on ATS using pictures to get my point across. I had been trying to think of a way to get a somewhat complete journey through ATS in one thread. I felt inspired by Slayers "We are ATS" super duper thread to think 'yeah a video'.

It is sort of a parity on things and not my outlook completely. Just observations I have made along the path. I have a pretty wild imagination. Like some of the characters in the story or not, it is all in the scheme of things.

If you watch it all the way through, theres a beer in for you.

Anyway I wrote a little ditty and it goes something like this........Don't Panic!

Song - Meat Beat Manifesto - 99%





posted on May, 22 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by Frater210
It is like this; We were told that the greatest show on Earth was going to be put on and we were all invited for Free! And so of course we all went to the show. And while we were all there our homes (souls) were robbed of every valuable thing in them. And then somehow when we got home and saw that all the valuable things had been stolen we did some rapid calculations and just determined that it had been worth it all. Was it worth it all?

But, Frater, what about all the great things we learned from the East and The Summer of Love and all of that. I would just like to invite anyone who would ask this to take a look at Ashby’s Law of Requisite Variety. Do we really think that all of that would have remained unavailable to us if 'the 60s had never happened? I do not. A system can be broken by either over-feeding or under-feeding it. I will let you finish the equation.

To face Fear directly is to be bold and brave. We must do the difficult work and return to our families; even if just little by little. We must return to hear the important messages that they have for us and to communicate the important messages that we have for them. Try to resolve some of the Karma between ourselves. It is time to start sweeping up. We’ve had a nice camping trip.


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I think the biggest difference between you and I is that I don't think there is an enemy or anyone robbing our homes blind while we aren't looking. I am of the opinion that our homes, our souls are complete. Our lifetimes are spent decorating the Christmas tree and playing aesthetic games for the entertainment of our souls. After all eternity outside of time gets awful boring.

There goes my hand... in the interest of honesty I let it slip.

Now nothing I say will have any further meaning to those paying attention...

But don't forget. If indeed I am correct (a conclusion each would need to come to on their own accord at their own time) by not understanding it is a game each person deprives themselves of the joy of playing! Of course I'm one of those people who gets slaughtered playing a video game and still has a great time for the experience of playing... hell I lose on purpose just to keep things interesting.



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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I'm going to phrase a post I saw by another member in some thread I ran across. I would not be able to find it now if I tried.

I agree that there is no higher place to look than within ourselves. I am not even sure what "enlightenment" might be.

Other than realizing even ones with knowledge are nothing special unless they have the Wisdom to know what to do with it.

Before enlightenment ~ chop wood carry water.
After enlightenment ~ chop wood carry water.



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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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I wanted to add a few things that tell... I think

Here we see the fountain. Serene and peaceful, a place to contemplate our emotional journey.



I took this years ago, but to me is a photograph to meditate upon and see the serenity to find your emotional base.

Below is a picture I snapped to remind myself that beauty is found in all parts and all places colored by our perspectives we might think of a decaying stump as bad. But I think to not pause and behold the beauty is a mistake.



Finally we see a sculpture I did when I first realized that the individual fool's journeys we take would end us in the world yet we would still be the fools travelling for our next great adventure and even in the end while clothed as the world we are still just the fool. This is the Fool dancing a victory for a journey complete before cleaning and preparing for the next...




They have always called me a fool for most of my beliefs and to them I always must whole heartedly agree!

And Timewalker... there is your wood and water! ha haaa Fantastic I agree with that sentiment.
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posted on May, 22 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Sometimes short and to the point is just what the doctor ordered.

I will never forget those words.

By the way, what are you connected to my brain or something?



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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As we're all seeking to be open and honest, in discussing those areas of philosophy/ conduct and spirituality etc where we disagree (as well as those on which we agree), I thought I should pop in a small note about the notion of karma.

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Karma - a Genuine Universal Principle, or a mean-spirited excuse to oppress those who exist with less resources than yourself?


I think it's fair to say that you either buy into it or you don't - I've considered the arguments for and against. However, our opinions are of little value, if the Truth remains constant regardless of what we believe to be true.

In the Dreamworld, a thought is the cause - the effects are manifest as real constructs, and are defined in the 'stuff' of the Astral Light.

In the material world, a thought can have an effect upon our actions, and these actions can cause reactions. In fact, we're starting to find evidence that our thoughts can affect the very fabric of reality (the observer paradox, quantum superposition of particles etc..)

If Karma is to be believed as a Principle of Inner, Noetic, Local and Celestial realities, then a simple thought, manifesting in the Noetic sphere, can affect any and all other aspects of our reality. The developments in Quantum Physics would seem to offer tentative support for such ideas.

Depending on our intuitive (or 'core') reaction to an initial thought, and taking account of the supporting/ deconstructing effects of the mental, emotional and physical responses that follow, a 'knock-on effect' (or karmic consequence) can filter down into the various spheres of our Soul-Condition, our Noetic Experience and even our Material Reality.

How do we negate the effects of our inevitable desires that produce karmic consequence? We put our animal nature on the back-seat, and let our Inner Mind** take the wheel.

**NB - I dislike the phrase 'Higher Mind' because it has been abused so much by charlatans in recent decades, damaging our spiritual progress much in the same way that the force-fed 'Free Love' phenomena of the 60's pretty much knackered our chances as a race of progressing in the way of true sexual maturity.


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The nature of repentance

If one has been struggling to overcome unhealthy or destructive vices (too much of a good thing can become a vice), then actively choosing to walk away from specific patterns of behaviour, specific negatively-charged thoughts and soul-responses etc is true repentance.

Sorrow is often a by-product of seeing the tragic reality of our condition (bad spiritual conditions usually arise as a result of our own thought processes) - this is why people misunderstand repentance as 'feeling sorry for yourself', or 'saying sorry to God'. Those things can happen, but will bring their respective responses and consequences.

NB - I'm no saint - I have plenty of vices unfortunately. I do my best most of the time, but tend to slip easily due to the pressures of life (the stresses manifested as a result of the impact of various 'effects' in my day-to-day reality - such are not always within my control, and are not always a fair reflection of what would happen naturally if Karma were running its course unimpeded..) Much of the planning and initial actions taken in order to encourage better collaboration, communication and learning within our family was described in my previous post about the way we are raising our children - again, none of us are perfect, and we can never be perfect parents. All we can do is the best we can do.


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Crime and punishment in the Universal Scheme of Things...

(NB - subjective opinion based on experience, research and reflection...)


Some people suffer unjustly at the hands of others - the persecutors will ultimately entrap their own souls in a Hell of their own making. Attempting to maliciously extinguish the light of some other entity cannot be ignored. Some Divine Principle, known commonly and in general terms as Karma, exists to balance the universe - to ensure that all entities are ultimately apportioned that which they are due, whether pleasant and evolutionary or necessarily restrictive and uncomfortable. Discomfort can serve as a tool to draw attention to the essential condition of the Inner Man.

Will a person get through the dark night of the soul successfully, or will they will linger in darkness?

The answer centres around our need to recognise the Grace of the Supreme Mind, and the proscribed Law of Being, which seems to state that our own power to change ourselves is that mysterious key which controls our overall state of existence.


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Is there an element of pre-destination involved in our walk through this mysterious biosphere?

I used to be confused by the suggestion that there are some people who are 'destined' for Heaven, for a path of Ascension. How could such people be considered 'pre-approved' for Heaven?

The answer came to me a few days ago, while contemplating recent dreams. One of the symbols laid down in the Goldfish dream was the statement "PRISON PLANET".

I understand that there are aspects of the ancient Hindu culture that are anathema to the ideals of Noetic/Spiritual Ascension. The caste system was abused and became a brutal tool of oppression. However, we cannot forget that there are many examples of similar feudal systems in ancient times, all over the world. In fact, slavery wasn't even banned until very recently, in terms of Humanity overall.

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As primate-based soul complexes, we are prone to tribalism and power struggles. That's the nature of the beast.


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Much of the work of the 'Great Spirit Avatars' was (as I understand it) intended to enable those hearing the message to live most effectively under the influences of the system within which they found themselves incarnated. Parables and stories relating to their daily lives enabled them to share the message with others in ways that they could understand. The suggestion that this planet may be some form of 'Karmic Prison' for misbehaving souls (of angels and men) is a core concept within the words of Krishna, and is alluded to in the teachings of Christ. Unfortunately, one of the Tools of The Enemy has been the oppressive and greed-centric propagation of certain religious organisations, so the interconnectedness and resonance between different gnostic doctrines/ sects has been muddied and shredded over the centuries.

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Looking on the bright side - my personal belief is that while this is a 'prison planet', there are many who have in some fashion volunteered or been selected to come and aid in the transition from an age of spiritual darkness (Kali Yuga) into the coming Golden Age.


On completion of their tasks on this Earth, in this little corner of the Universe, the hope is that all will find sanctuary and collective purpose/ identity, in a 'Heaven', based upon ideals of Community, Respect, Peace, Love - and Spiritual Evolution (Ascension).

The cycles of rebirth are likely to be much more flexible than we may have been led to believe, with some souls finding new life on 'Higher Planets', and others existing as members of one of the Astral Heavens, the Halfway Plateau/ Dreamworld, or even the courts of the Celestial Heavens.

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The Multiverse is SUPERMASSIVE in all directions...


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Those who neglect the opportunity on Earth to progress from their imprisoned and negative ('fallen') condition, to a more enlightened and balanced/ resonant existance, will inhabit the realms where light cannot be seen, where the eyes are turned to focus on something else, which is rarely of importance, but which to that person has become the Object of their Will and their Reason for Existence..

Nurturing the pointless endeavors that they strived at during Earthly life, such may spend a long time groping around in the ephemeral darkness, before being drawn back by Universal Compassion for another chance upon the Earth. Perhaps there are many other Lower Worlds, or 'Prison Planets' - varying levels of spiritual intensity maybe, and as the ascension progresses, an exponentially greater set of spiritual, magical, technological, communal and political freedoms will develop.


- Earth could be considered a 'Cosmic-Equilibrium-Assurance Maximum Security Penitentiary'...
- Everyone is born with an equal chance to perform well or badly - whether an inmate or a guard.

- The Underworld in this cosmic prison called Earth is darker than can be imagined comfortably.



Guardians and kings, teachers and poets, philosophers and masters, leaders and reformers, comforters and friends - all those that we may presume to have been 'sent' (or who may have volunteered to incarnate here at this time, in order to assist in whatever way they are destined to) - have an equal chance to become 'fallen', if they neglect the voice of conscience, and the guidance received through their noetic life.


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Just my opinions in essence, but I hold much of what I write to be 'a part of the Truth', on the authority of those much greater than me. After all - I am no more than a barely perceptible, inconsequential speck of dust, floating in an ocean of life which stretches forever in all directions.

And I am thankful to be a part of it. Goldfish-shaped and Heading Home...




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EPILOGUE:

The Future is Coming On.


- We will all have a role to play, and we will all have to choose a side.

- No matter where we are, or where we have been to date - whether we work in the Oval Office, Thames House, or live on the breadline in a Northern town; everyone will have the opportunity for redemption.

- Our actions are the fruit of our minds - our words and our choices, our allegiances and confidences. As far as it depend on us, we should be at peace with Everyone.


I hope to walk upright, with my head held high. I hope to meet the eye of everyone I come into contact with, to ask them their Truth - to offer friendship, support and hope. I hope to see an end to corruption and oppression, but I hope also to walk in full knowledge of the bitter realities before us - to tread the path with care.





edit on 22-5-2011 by FlyInTheOintment because: spelling, formatting and clarification..



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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This is for the lady Noonauts...








edit on 22-5-2011 by Frater210 because: MAS



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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That was the most lucid and sensible explanation of the concept of "karma" I have ever come across. Subtle layers of cause and effect = a notion I could get behind.

Many thanks, FITO.




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