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posted on May, 19 2011 @ 11:27 PM
reply to post by mistermonculous

"I just woke from a dream where I had been 'preparing' for something,

carrying a goldfish in a tank on the passenger seat of my car.

The thing I was preparing for was a war

against an enemy with vastly superior firepower and numbers; sci-fi technologies.

We won, because we who had been preparing

(all had been carrying goldfish in their cars)"


edit on 19-5-2011 by Frater210 because: Meritocracy

posted on May, 19 2011 @ 11:55 PM

Originally posted by timewalker
reply to post by Jinglelord
you spelled it wrong...or did you?

Well I did spell it wrong... Atu is a Polynesian suffix that denotes Coming into Being.

Naut is of course a suffix for a traveler or voyager.

Natu is essentially a meaningless suffix.

I had a professor who was bit into Polynesian mysticism and that just kinda stuck with me for some reason.

I am not yet back to the journey as an intentional movement and am still only playing but preparing to begin again that which I had broke from years ago.

I'm your first neophyte! Be excited. Or the Noonatu, one can only a Noonaut after a full commitment ya know?

Aren't you glad I'm making stuff up for you guys already?

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 12:13 AM
reply to post by Jinglelord

Hi Jinglelord,

I understand where you're coming from with regard to whether LOVE may or may not be the source.
I'm of the notion that we are sharing information from different perspectives, so no arguments here.

Thus I'm rather thankful for this great thread, to allow me to share my perspective.

When I speak of Love as the source, I am of the perspective that we were created out of LOVE and of all the positive emotions there is, LOVE seems to me as the most powerful and overwhelming.

In terms of the LAW of attraction, LOVE is the most attractive and addictive of emotions.
By showing unconditional love, you will never fail to attract others.

Hence, Love is also of the highest vibration and thus improves synchronicity and or Oneness.

Love in itself is just a word, that we inscribe to this powerful and overwhelming energy. But of course, i would agree that love is an understatement.

There is no other word that comes to mind which can better describe this overwhelming feeling, but LOVE in it's most purest and intense form.

But then again, that is just my perspective. It doesn't really matter what anyone calls it. It is what is.

PS: Not into running around smelling flowers. Perhaps my avatar can explain my state of being...


posted on May, 20 2011 @ 12:28 AM
reply to post by InnerPeace2012

I really wasn't trying to disagree with you, only offering a perspective and alternate explanation of what boils down to essentially the same thing.

It is important in my view to capture as many thinking and intelligent perspectives as possible.

This is how learning and growth happens.

My primary issue with assigning the word love to the source is that it leads people down directions that may not be conducive to their growth. Not that it is really wrong when the word love is used in the context by which I inferred you to mean (which as it turns out was correct).

In my experience telling a person to feel love to overcome fear does not work. The goal is to from innocence find out how to find and express the kind of love for which you speak.

In my opinion the journey of the fool is a tool to learn this.

As an example: You tell a person to feel love to overcome fear. They find a woman fall in love... they are experiencing love right? The woman goes off and has sex with a bunch of other guys and a few girls... That love is ruined. It wasn't the love you're talking about. Someone thought it was and becomes bitter.

Another scenario: A person looking for the source follows a hard journey of growth and learning and find in the end the kind of love you speak of. This is not a love for a person or thing but a love of self and universe and all things. This guy doesn't trip if his wife does what the above guys wife does... why? Because this guy has risen above such petty bull and knows what it is when a person experiences the love of the source.

Sorry for the crude examples but this was the best illustration I could think of.

So sure you could say love is the source... but it isn't the love most think of or even comprehend as possible.

As such I would put forward we can't even use the word love because it simply isn't the right word... closest we got though!

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:19 AM
reply to post by Jinglelord

Again, I understand your points of view, and am thankful for that you've shared them.

In this plan of existence, there is a high level of resistance\limitations\barriers. Hence, it is by way of making a positive outcome of any given situation, that really matters, in my opinion.

Should anyone be faced with fear or a state of panic, it is upon that individual to make a positive outcome of the situation, no matter the circumstance.

For example, if some lover cheats on the other. It is upon the cheated lover to act accordingly, should it be appropriate. Perhaps divorce the relationship for a better one, whichever is appropriate for the individual in question.

Whichever, emotion that the cheated lover feels is appropriate then and then. But the outcome of the situation is what that really matters. And it is upon the individual again, to make the choice of either turning that outcome to a positive one or negative one.

No matter the situation, it is up to the individual to make the best choice appropriate.

However, in higher plains of existence or levels of vibrations, which is closer to the source, of which I ascribe with Love, there is less resistance.

So then, circumstances doesn't really matter, only the state of being matters in that reality.
But nevertheless, the beholder is the key to make of, whatever reality is preferable for personal growth.


posted on May, 20 2011 @ 03:54 AM
reply to post by timewalker

The signs are building; my original username on ATS was 'Noah The Sumerian'

Noah has started Fly-ing. Now joins with other 'Noah Nauts' to discuss the 'Noo (8th) Sphere' as they work together to build an Ark of understanding; the deluge may be on it's way?

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 04:10 AM
Because experiments are fun...

The crow, the raven, the bird dressed in black...

Who did you see? Who did you find in your flight?

I'll explain later... Now it is time for sleep

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:21 AM
reply to post by Jinglelord
I'll take a gander, or rather a Phoenix for 500 Alex.

And a few other birds but I don't feel like loading them.

I suck at Jeopardy.

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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 05:28 AM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment
Exponentially. Noah Sphere fits pretty well, my nous told me so.

I think we have a much bigger ARK this time. Batten the hatches.

As bad as we need rain in Houston, I don't want that much. Not anytime soon.

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 08:28 AM
reply to post by timewalker

A crow or a raven have a and most birds in black have a bad habit of being associated with the underworlds.

Interestingly the phoenix comes from the firebird. A real bird that will move flaming embers and light areas on fire to bath in the smoke. I believe it is a crow species but can't find it on the net. Too many car and phoenix sites hiding this wonderful creature in the age of technology.

My thought was that if I directed symbolism in a visible place it would enter someones dream state and be weird when they woke up and checked ATS.

This is the sort of thing that causes one's conscious to begin to accept the "Noosphere" as a place that exists outside the individual's mind.

If you wish to really begin to show others who don't already know the parlor tricks are helpful. Picking and implanting thoughts...

It doesn't effect the individual but rather their ego which isn't you anyway but the part of you which is an interface to this reality.

This is how it works and how no negative Karma can come from things perceived as bad. If you have separated from your ego you can control another's ego and suffer naught for the debt to be re payed would be against your ego.

To be continued...

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 09:07 AM
reply to post by InnerPeace2012

I'm going to carry forward with the crude example for several reasons:

A: It makes people uncomfortable.
B: It is a key indicator
C: It is powerful to the ego

So I didn't choose that example just because I'm a dirty man. It is our sexual love relationships which we perceive as best being exclusive which are a big drive for the ego and keep us away from a greater understanding.

I am stealing the idea from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land.

Now let us assume we have found a person who we "love" and wish to raise a family with. In our society and many human societies both are expected to be sexually exclusive, or monogamous.

Now suppose this person has an extramarital affair. To your logic the response to this would be whatever will drive the person to happiness or love. Find a new mate that will not stray for example. And this would be what is right for them. I agree with the premise that they will do whatever is right for them in the lesson to be learned. Even if that lesson is to control rage and a few bodies are given new and fatal holes.

But this is of course not the right answer, just the answer to show a learning, a lesson.

The right answer in my opinion is universal. The right answer for one who truly knows the source kind of love and has completed at least in part of themselves the fool's journey would be one of happiness for their mate to have found pleasure. Pleasure is good.

Exclusive mates is part of the ego construct that keeps humanity from growing. It feeds the ego and is so deeply ingrained few who are supposedly wise can even fully understand. This is a huge source of negative to feed those who like such things. Jealousy, fear, anger, distrust, hurt, pain all from a simple act of pleasure! It isn't the higher self that minds, it is the ego. That which will question ones value. The ego wishes to thrive and survive and will do whatever it takes to wrest control from you. It wants to interact with this world, follow the rules of society, and be accepted by other egos. That is its sole function and what it does for you.

But not only do you not need this, to truly understand you must rid yourself of this or ideally be the one who rides the ego rather than the ego riding you. Use it as the tool it is, feed it occasionally, but do not let it be you.

This is why I use sexuality often. Not because I'm a hedonistic dirty man (which is also true). This is one simple act which effects the animal, and the higher self. To the higher self it is an act of bonding and realizing a male - female yin yang balance which is in no way exclusive of mating. In this form there is no fear and jealousy attached. To the lower self it is mating and control with all kinds of negative attachments.

This is one thing Crowley understood and a big part of why he was turned into a villain by an oppressive culture.

So here is a key indicator of how one has progressed to be further from fear. Jealousy. Test yourself. Are you there? Likely not. Most are not and most will rail against what I am saying here. Such is how it works.

So to understand where you sit in your journey to be away from fear. The key points and the two most difficult would be to progress past the Devil, then The Moon.

We have established I believe that the moon at its core is trying to consume our light. Is it a coincidence that the moon is highly unbalanced? It is so much a feminine power.

So back to the point. There are fear responses and negative responses that might be right for an individual to learn a lesson. But we need to understand these responses are not conducive to us being able to accept the source and be able to acquire true growth and joy.

Again I am not disagreeing with anything you said. I am expanding in the interest of expanding our collective wisdom based upon what I have found from a lifetime of trying to find an understanding.

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:28 AM

The right answer in my opinion is universal. The right answer for one who truly knows the source kind of love and has completed at least in part of themselves the fool's journey would be one of happiness for their mate to have found pleasure. Pleasure is good.

I see this as a holding scenario only if the extra-relationship happity-slappity was agreed upon beforehand. More than ego-mortification, I think, most experience infidelity as a breach of trust and a violation of intimacy. Note: I have yet to see ONE polyamorous relationship which is power-balanced, in which both parties feel comfortable. There is nothing sadder than to watch some skeevoid hit on a fellow-party goer while their partner stands at their side with a wincing, wan half-smile.

Ego effacement, or ego-indulgence?

I have found the larger challenge and the greater reward is in broadening and deepening knowledge and intimacy with the Other. I believe monogamy to be the most conducive path to that end.

It is not my own ego which restrains me from infidelity, it is disinterest. I could never have with another person what I have developed with my lover. I wouldn't want anything less. I tend to find others "objectively" attractive these days, no one but the One exerts a junk-tug on me anymore.

We have established I believe that the moon at its core is trying to consume our light. Is it a coincidence that the moon is highly unbalanced? It is so much a feminine power.

Whoaaaa, there, buckaroo. Are you implying it is inherent to the feminine to be "unbalanced"? Probably not. I trust you mean "unbalanced" in the sense that the feminine is untempered with the masculine. Male lunar deities are few and far between, but they tend to be right bastards.

Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto angered Amaterasu Omikami when he killed Uke Mochi, the goddess of food. Amaterasu Omikami once sent Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto to represent her at a feast presented by Uke Mochi. The goddess made the food by turning to the ocean and spitting out a fish, then facing the forest and game came out of her anus, and finally turned to a rice paddy and coughed up a bowl of rice. Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto was utterly disgusted by the fact that, although it looked exquisite, the meal was made in a disgusting manner, and so he killed her.
Soon, Amaterasu Omikami learned what happened and she was so angry that she refused to ever look at Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto again, forever moving to another part of the sky. This is the reason that day and night are never together. In later versions of this myth, Uke Mochi is killed by Susanoo-no-Mikoto.

So back to the point. There are fear responses and negative responses that might be right for an individual to learn a lesson. But we need to understand these responses are not conducive to us being able to accept the source and be able to acquire true growth and joy.

We are back on the figure eight. Both monogamy and polyamory are valid, so long as they are practiced correctly, i.e., not for ego-satisfaction.

In closing, there are some very practical reasons to refrain from slappin' it up in just any old available partner.

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:30 AM
reply to post by timewalker

Speaking of Arks, allow me to share another dream I had recently...

NB - I kept meaning to make a thread to share these dreams, but when I tried there was always some reason it didn't take off or wasn't easy to organise my thoughts etc.

I'm beginning to think that there was a reason these dreams weren't coming together properly - the audience wasn't there. Now, I genuinely think that I am supposed to share these dreams on this thread. I believe we, collectively, are meant to take something from the script that's been playing out each and every night for the past twenty years. My dreamworld is a place where 'someone' is explaining everything, bit by bit, and showing the way / showing images and impressions, words and environments that represent the future.

So - the dream about 'Arks'...

I became aware of myself, sitting on a green and pleasant hillside, in a place I know very well. It's a mountain valley, along one side of which runs a little steam railway, the Talyllyn, in Mid-Wales, UK. I practically grew up on that railway - my parents were volunteer driver & fireman, and many happy days were spent chuffing up and down the seven mile line from the town on the seafront up into the beautiful Welsh highlands. I won't say much more about that place than the dream was correct - it is probably my most favourite place in the world on a sunny summer's day.

The reason I was there - along with my wife and children, and lots of others who had the same idea as us, was that the 'End' was approaching. It was as though we had all been told that some disaster was imminent - like in the film 'Knowing' where everyone gathers together on the morning that the solar wind hits Earth, knowing it'll be over in a nanosecond, wanting to be with the ones we love as the End comes. There was a sense of nervous anticipation, coupled with a (somewhat downplayed) hope - that perhaps it was all a mistake, and perhaps nothing disastrous would take place at all. Despite this sense, we were peaceful, happy and thankful that we had the chance to go out in the full knowledge of what was coming.

Another thing was different about the world; the noetic atmosphere - the aura of the planet - was much more peaceful, more harmonious. It's as though humanity had been shocked into realising how utterly bloody pointless it was to chase after wealth, to steal from others and to fight over limited resources and belief systems etc. It was an almost blissful sense of oneness with the Earth and her people, despite the knowledge that it would all soon be gone.

As we sat there, sharing our food, drink and memories of good times past, hopes for the future (afterlife etc), it became clear that there was to be no stay of execution. The 'Event' was coming, and it was nearly here. The mood was sombre, but loving.

With suddenness, everything ceased. Perfect stillness, and a moment of darkness. Subconsciously implanted in my dreaming mind was the thought that the atmosphere had been ripped away from the planet - as though we had been completely knocked out of orbit by some horrendous collision between astronomical bodies.

There was a flashback, or a flashforward, to a moment where I was on the other side of the valley, and could see that I was participating in a car chase of some sort. There was a Subrau Impreza in front of us, which suddenly stopped and several men jumped out. There was another subconscious implant - that an alien presence, or a 'bounty hunter' had arrived. A gunfight ensued, and several people were killed. Whether that includes myself, I do not know, but once again the scene changed.

I awoke, standing, on what appeared to be one of those luxury 'round-the-world' cruise ships - very well-appointed and fitted out to be a perfect living quarters for humans for a long period of time. I was standing in what was some sort of bar/ pool room, which had a nice swimming pool in the centre, and vast floor-to-ceiling, wall-to-wall windows all along one side. I looked around and saw the bodies of tens of people lying on the floor, as though they had all died suddenly from some strange mass-effect. There was a load of food and drink scattered around, as though there had been a party in full swing when the 'effect' took everyone out simultaneously.

As I looked out of the windows, I saw that the same Welsh valley lay below us, and that we were actually on an airship of some description. It had to have been absolutely huge. I saw part of another ship further along the valley - it was bigger than any cruise ship on Earth at this time, and it was floating, as though anchored in mid-air, around 2000 feet up above the valley floor.. There was a sense that something wasn't right - that an enemy was present, and that I had to be cautious who I trusted.

As I mused, the bodies all around began to stir - people began to wake up, groaning and looking as though they had been asleep for a week. In fact, the men had several days' worth of stubble, and it was probably quite an accurate assessment of what had taken place.

A sinister-looking 'man' enters. He greets everyone sternly, and has an air of malevolence about him. His skin is like that of a dolphin, and his face - though humanoid - looks vicious, shark-like. His teeth are pointed like a shark's. Obviously an alien of some kind, he issues a warning, and a thinly-veiled threat.

'You are all bound under the terms of your contract to surrender all rights and freedoms in exchange for your preservation. You accepted stasis in place of death, and as a result are now to remain here under the authority of the controllers until we say so. The earth will be regenerated, and you will be granted your place. However, there is an expectation of loyalty - the enemy have subverted our attempts to gain control in an orderly way, and one of the terrorists (who had formerly been an intelligence agent for the UK government) had organised a rebellion against our preparations from the outset."
[paraphrased, as some was spoken, some was telepathic to myself only]

Factions had been drawn up, loyalties were at a premium, and there was a sense (subconsciously implanted from elsewhere, like a 'dream narrator') that deception was the name of the game - it had all begun shortly before all things changed, when the corporatists had initiated the first phases of the planned NWO takeover. Something had gone very wrong, and had ended in what was (apparently) an alien vs. human coup.

The 'controllers' in charge of the cruise airships were on the side of darkness, and could not be trusted. The 'dolphin/shark character' was an enforcer, or bounty hunter. A face to be feared, as though the controllers themselves couldn't show their faces. Something was amiss, even for such a strange situation...

The final subconscious implants form the 'dream narrator' were that recent mass animal deaths and strange rumbling noises, chemtrailing conspiracies etc, were all as a result of apparently defensive preparations.

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 10:43 AM
reply to post by mistermonculous

Herein lies the issue with my basic premise. You pretty much nailed it.

To be one who fully has achieved the knowledge of what the source love is there is no real required agreement because it is already known. To have released the ego there is no real judgement and poly or mono really makes little difference. The level of intimacy most achieve with one will be something that is had with all.

This is what it is to understand the source in my opinion. Now I'm not saying there is anything at all wrong with monogamy. I do it myself. And polygamy certainly doesn't work with the construct of how the majority of us live. I agree.

Now having a path to fully trust and understand another in full intimacy is definitely not a bad thing. In fact in this construct it is very good.

What I am ultimately getting at is the following:

Once you understand at a the truly higher vibration this sort of stuff doesn't matter. It would be akin to how concerned you were about being cool in highschool versus an adult to whom this concept doesn't even enter into their minds when making life decisions.

Make more sense now?

As for the feminine moon, I am not saying the feminine energy is wrong but that unbalanced energy will continually try to feed on other energies to seek balance. This is why the moon feeds, it is unbalanced.

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:15 PM
reply to post by Jinglelord

Tried to formulate a reply that would consist of more than just, "Yah, dude!"

Oh well.

Yahhh dude!

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:41 PM
reply to post by mistermonculous

Is that a "Yah dude I see what you're saying"

or a "Yah dude whatever you're nuts"

or maybe a "Yah dude can I bum a smoke?"

Or some combination of all three?

Answers as follows in order:

Cool so now we can move on to the question of if we actually want to move closer to the source in this lifetime.

Yes I know.


posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:46 PM
reply to post by Jinglelord

Well reading Mr. Monculous' post pretty much summed it up for me as well, with a few discrepancies.

Different strokes for different folks, and this could be taken quite literally.

I guess I should start with me. I am a monogamous person. I like to share by innermost with my mate. Always had. I just believe there is a level of trust, sharing, love and intimacy in this unmatched, a comfort that just makes me at peace. Same as with sexual intimacies. There is nothing like the unbridled relationships that you don't just walk away from. This gives me balance and is just my personal preference.

Now I have stated that I have hung out the places that a lot of people would call dark and spooky. While the people in these places might be that at home and even come together and discuss these things, for the most part there is no ritualistic anything going down, a few energy vamps floating around.

It is a time for fellowship and fun and dance. And then the clubs close...........

Some of these people, some friends, like to go to after hours parties and partake in all kinds of activities. I personally know people who are swingers and have been to these parties myself only a couple of times, BUT I would not take part and would find myself outside having a drink with fully clothed like minded as myself friends. Funny enough, the swingers think we are strange. We have no animosity to what might be going on inside. To each their own. They are my friends this is what they choose. That's OK with me if it's what makes them happy. They are still my friends. I just don't want to see their places the sun don't shine.

Some of these polyamorous couples are just fine with it and go home and live a happy life. This is OK with me too. They had fun and some of them are closer to each other for it. Good for them.

Then there are the ones who have the ego and their usual mate might be in the background burning up inside because of what goes on with their "significant" other. Maybe they might take part to just feel better about themselves or to get even. This is a problem. There is a dominant, submissive thing here and they should maybe not be in that relationship in the first place, and they are more than likely to have miserable lives.This is a negative thing that just fills the air. People can see it and feel it in the Noosphere, did not think I would use that word in this post. This is the lower in it's worst form to me.

Then there are the singles who just like a good orgy. That's OK too.

So what I'm getting at is if this is what makes one happy do it for the right reasons have fun and loose the Ego please.

This is the open minds forum.


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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:51 PM
reply to post by Jinglelord

Me and alchemy. And Yep checked the thread at like 4:30 am.when I woke up. I cant go back to sleep after I get up.

In this case not the undeworld but transmutation.

The Birds In Alchemy

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posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by Jinglelord

Total agreement, not a psychology major, and only if you've got one.

The Source ho!

posted on May, 20 2011 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by FlyInTheOintment
I don't mean to cut this one short, really don't have another one to share at the moment.

It does not sound like the shark man is offering much of a future. I might take my chances on a log first.

Thank you for sharing. Quite relevant as are all the others in this thread.

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