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Born of Earth and Sky II

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 11:50 PM
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From ," Born of earth and sky"

"But one day I'll be back and I'll have a howiitzer with me. You'll see I'll
be back with a gun so big, I never forget an avatar. just you wait and see !

As promised



I still believe we need alot more open studies on these cranial colaborations of canonically collected,
carnel, cadavers. Is it suspicious to any one else that they arn't given more attention ?
They certainly aren't mentioned in the media hardly ever. In fact, I"ve never even seen them brushed over,
by any of the many documentaries on
Discovery, History, channel. Not on the Science channel or National geographic.

Seems a tad bit biased to me?



Yet, when ever mainstream science is confronted with their existence ? They have a standard answer to fall back on.
Boarded binding at infancy is how these malformations were achieved. I say malformations because
I don't believe that deformations are this uniform or symetric. A deformation does not present it self as though it
is a part of geneological make-up.

Take this picture Mod Edit for inappropriate title



Some will point to this and say that binding still occurs today. This in my mind could be used just as easily to
say that the genetics are what is being handed down. The picture proves nothing, is all I'm saying.

Here's another one of a gentleman who is not only a victim of his genetics/bindings. Mod edit for inappropriate title



From Wiki


Cranial analysis and forensic reconstruction
The ancient Egyptians themselves traced their origin to a land they called "Punt," [3], or "Ta Nteru"
("Land of the Gods"). Punt is thought to have been in either southern Sudan or Eritrea. The ancient
Puntites commonly were described as black peoples with "Negroid" features and elongated, or dolichocephalic,
heads. In fact, an elongated skull is considered a racial trait of the black African populations of the region, and of
certain Africoid populations, generally. In the classic "Negroid" phenotype, the skull is typically significantly longer
than that of the Caucasian phenotype. Long heads are not unique to Africans, as some Nordic populations also are
known to have long heads; but they do provide a significant clue in determining the ethnicity of skeletal remains.


Again this really dosn't prove anything. Despite these examples not being anything close to the cranial anomalies
we see here. The bone mass dosn't compare. The increased amount of volume in the brain case would not be
compatible with life unless the size of the brain conformed to that capacity

I've always wanted to see some facial reconstruction done on the elongated skulls.





This is what does prove something.


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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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S & F

I've often wondered if any substantial DNA testing has been done on these. I'm aware of the controversial Star Child DNA results. I too feel that head binding and such probably only accounts for a certain percentage of these skulls. Some of these elongated skulls are huge. Much larger in total mass than a standard human skull in over all dimensions. I'm wondering if the larger/thicker skulls are a much older separate species that were either worshiped or simply highly respected and then later people tried to Mimic them?


What threw me a curve were the Russian elongated skulls. Those and some of the South American ones show much thicker lower jaws. Now how does normal known head boarding/binding create or account for a thicker lower jaw?



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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 01:23 AM
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you sure that aint grace jones?



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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There are many questions I have had about the elongated skulls created by binding.

For one, why elongate the skull unless you are trying to recreate something you had seen before and then passed it down through the generations.

The questions spawn from there.

Where was the elongated skull originally seen?

Was it originally a genetic deformity?

Why was it seen as a trait worth worshiping?

So many more questions pop to mind, and I have seen some answers to these questions, however, not all questions have I seen answered.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Very interesting topic and one that I have wondered about myself. As I went through your opening piece and the replies I started thinking about the crystal skulls. If this shape of a head was to revered or something wouldn't someone have immortalized it in the form of something substantial. Like crystal.

I did a search for the oldest crystal skull and came up with Max. Twelve to thirty six thousand years old supposedly and some believe it is even older than that. I would think that if there was anything to this misshapen head, we would find something along the lines of Max. That's only my opinion of course. I do find the whole topic very intriguing though. S+F.


Lee Patrick Hanks is traveling with Max, and in a press release said Max is one of the oldest artifacts known to man, with testing suggesting Max is between 12,000 and 36,000 years old, though others feel he could be much older than that. An ancient Mayan legend tells of 13, life-sized crystal skulls that will be re-discovered in current times and brought together so humanity can use their collective powers, according to the release. Max is one of only two skulls identified and authenticated by multiple scientific research organizations to be in the world as of today, the release states.




thegardenisland.com...



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Excellent post Randy. I have read about these things and they are truly interesting.

I actually laughed out loud to that golfing accident remark.


I wonder what effects this has on brain performance?

Maybe they where trying to elongate it to a point. Thinking that it would focus their spirituality or energy. Speculation is fun.


It could be that the first to have it done was an accident. Left the tight hat on a little to long. You know how that you have keep turning an infant while they are laying down so that the head forms more uniformly? That might explain the first one done this way. Then as time goes by, well you know how trends are.

I agree that more studies need to be done on this. Brain scans. I.Q. tests. The whole works. Maybe some part of the brain is given greater freedom to do what it does when the skull is elongated.

Again great post Randy.


Conc.



posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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What threw me a curve were the Russian elongated skulls. Those and some of the South American ones show much thicker lower jaws. Now how does normal known head boarding/binding create or account for a thicker lower jaw?


Well now there's reply I can use for a sign post right off the bat. There can't be many who don't know of your vast contributions to this forum Slayer. That's the first I've ever heard of the difference in jaw structure. Thank you
Slay.:
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you sure that aint grace jones?


Chaos

Grace slick.

Man I sure blew that one huh ?
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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Could those be the missing links??

I also believe this has nothing to do with binding as of we know today are still happening.
With binding, its only the shape of the skull that changes, they dont get bigger.
The other skulls are just much bigger in size than ours.
Dont remember where i read that, will try and find it back...
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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ok...listen up dude...

children of light....shems al hor.....ain shems/eye of sun in cairo...helipolis

Anu....is the old word for helipolis.....Anu-naki......look at myth of djedi and the solar kings of egypts 5th dynasty....divine right to rule...challange to memphis thinnite kings, the abydos league....

the sun cult believers...throughout time....wrapped bandages tight around new born babies heads to look like the sun gods...modern day, you can see this, zarastrians..kurds do it.

nowadays i think they are claiming that they are antideluvian relatives....the so called hybrids of gods...who god attempted to remove from earth with the flood...as earth was for man....pile of BS if you ask me.....

basically, its a sham, they are a bunch of usurpers claiming that they have the divine right to rule us....and that they are related to gods.....but the truth is..... there is an abydos league that outranks them....


I AM PHARAOH
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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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basically, its a sham, they are a bunch of usurpers claiming that they have the divine right to rule us....and that they are related to gods.....but the truth is..... there is an abydos league that outranks them....


All righty then Pharaoh. Care to elaborate on this brisk alternative view you have on this subject. Don't be shy !

Abydos league ? Googled it.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by randyvs
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basically, its a sham, they are a bunch of usurpers claiming that they have the divine right to rule us....and that they are related to gods.....but the truth is..... there is an abydos league that outranks them....


All righty then Pharaoh. Care to elaborate on this brisk alternative view you have on this subject. Don't be shy !

Abydos league ? Googled it.



the original gods were upper egyptian...from the founding of egypt.... untill the 5th dynasty...they all wear atef etc

the upper egyptians built the capital in memphis, built the pyramids etc.....worship ptah.
these upper egyptians were from nekhen and abydos....the thinnites....hence the abydos league....

the sun worshippers grew in lower egypt in helipolis...took over the state in the 5th dynasty (sun kings)....bu the upper egyptians came back with amun from thebes (abydos)

so these sun kings treid to build a religion to rival the upper egyptians...they had to show divinity to be soverign...hence the idea that they are sons of the sun....ALL STARTED BY DJOSER, by KHUFU reign ...then it really took off......

so what you see is that the sun kings get whooped by the upper egyptians...everytime...they are linked to the east through trade (namely khafre started it)

these lot later became jews, then christians...all sun worship...have you seen the vatican...thats heliopolis blueprint....where the sun comes to life....



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by AlienCarnage
There are many questions I have had about the elongated skulls created by binding.

For one, why elongate the skull unless you are trying to recreate something you had seen before and then passed it down through the generations.


In general, body modification is done to mark the difference between "people" and "not-people." Among the Aztecs, for instance, only the ruling classes and elite classes could have their children's heads bound. This made it impossible for an impostor to come in and claim they were a legitimate priest or child of the ruler. When the whole tribe does it (files their teeth, for instance) it's as a mark of tribehood or even adult status.

Nice NatGeo article on this



The questions spawn from there.

Where was the elongated skull originally seen?

Do you mean artificially elongated or naturally elongated? I believe the oldest artificially elongated ones are the Peruvian ones. The oldest natural (genetic) elongations are African/European and it's a genetic trait. Africans and Europeans have long and narrow skulls, Chinese and Native Americans have rounder skulls.



Was it originally a genetic deformity?

Probably not. Genetic deformities are usually (but not always) treated as being demonic by tribal cultures. It was more likely a ruler with an unusually long (but within natural bounds) skull. Ramses the Great had an unusually long skull, but it's not THAT elongated.



Why was it seen as a trait worth worshiping?

It doesn't seem to have been worshipped anywhere... at least, there's no historical or cultural records of this.


So many more questions pop to mind, and I have seen some answers to these questions, however, not all questions have I seen answered.


Let me suggest that you read up on this. I recommend theWikipedia article, which covers the different types of head flattening (there's a number of different kinds) and what the people who practice this (as tribes and cultures) say about why this is done.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Thank you for the info and link, I may have read some of this before, but my mind does get convoluted with the many different theories and along with the facts as well, so it will be good to review.

If it is new and not something I have read before, it will help as well so thanks again.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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I've often wondered if any substantial DNA testing has been done on these.


I don't know that substantial testing has been done, but I know some tests have been run (by the way, I'm coming across medical papers indicating that sometimes this process killed the child whose face was being deformed in that way.) (Here's a link with some information about it) As with a lot of unusual material, the impression is given that these are "incredibly ancient."


Some of these elongated skulls are huge.


Actually, they aren't. If you saw them in the museum, you would see that the unmodified features are about the same size as any other human being's.


I'm wondering if the larger/thicker skulls are a much older separate species that were either worshiped or simply highly respected and then later people tried to Mimic them?

No... what determines species is changes in the physical structure. These skulls really are modified homo sapiens anatomy. Bones can thicken as the result of damage, by the way.



What threw me a curve were the Russian elongated skulls. Those and some of the South American ones show much thicker lower jaws. Now how does normal known head boarding/binding create or account for a thicker lower jaw?


It doesn't. (The Russian skulls are dated to 500 AD, by the way, so they're not incredibly-amazingly ancient) If you look at the video of the anthropologist holding the skull and then look at any other hand holding a normal male skull with jawbone, you'll see the jaw really isn't that unusual... though I agree that it may also have been modified somewhat.

The trick for these is that they're always shown alone with few references and that people haven't spent a lot of time looking at real human skulls. I spent some time as a docent for Body Worlds and lemme tell ya... human anatomy just ain't very consistent!



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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in the video they keep saying the mothers made
the kids tie boards to the head to make them long.
Lye's? why not just say they had long skulls to?
past down from mating with the big heads!
its not a birth defect. or sqqosht heads.



posted on May, 18 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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Actually, they aren't. If you saw them in the museum, you would see that the unmodified features are about the same size as any other human being's.


I do notice that in some of the videos, when you see the skull being handled/examined. They almost look smaller
then a normal human beings skull. With the cone head/elongations still looking completely out of proportion of course. So without ever laying eyes one these skulls myself I can understand your saying that for sure.

I wonder Byrd ? Do you know of anywhere in the U.S. (say Ca. hopefully) where some one with great interest in these specimens, might be able to view them? And thanks for your interest in the thread I posted Byrd.



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