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Originally posted by RicoMarston
Originally posted by Jrocbaby
Originally posted by Beginningoftheend
reply to post by spacedonk
Somebody really ought to slap this guy. If it weren't for somebody having a belief in god or heaven and the rewards of living a moral existence he wouldn't even be here. The nurse would of just placed a blanket over his face at birth and let him starve to death. Seriously. Bloody ingrate!!!
Somebody really ought to slap YOU. What are you even talking about, human beings have only had religion and even the concept of a god for a few thousand years, that gives us 100,000+ years of survival and slow progress.
I have zero belief in god or heaven, neither does a large % of the world, so if it were not for people like YOU, the world would not be here? That is not only incorrect, its a simplistic view of the world and you have my pity.
Hawking is just telling the truth, its your own fault you came to this crazy conclusion that religion is real. Imagine if 90% of the world started spitting on themselves because it keeps the evil spirits away [which is what people really used to do], and you come along and question it and 9 outta 10 people disagree and get angry at you, while in reality he is right.
I would suggest people with YOUR thinking process is the real problem of this world, and the single most harmful thing to humanity we've ever faced, and may very well kill us all as a species one day.
human beings have only had religion for a FEW thousand years?! hahahahah! so, right off the bat, you prove that you don't know what you're talking about.
the poster is implying that religious people, or people of values, were the ones who originally objected to the discarding of "defective" babies, a practice prevalent in ancient civilizations. he/she is most probably incorrect, but it is not something you can prove or disprove.
"Hawking is right" is your opinion. the whole reaction to this story is "prove it!" Hawking can offer ZERO proof that the afterlife doesn't exist. just like you cannot prove that saliva is NOT a natural ghost repellent! personally, I don't believe it, but i have no way of proving or disproving it.
Religion and faith in god and life after death are two different things. I would agree that organized religion is one of the worst things to have happened to humanity, but what negative effect does being open to possibilities have? the simple fact is that YOU don't know whether there is life after death or not. as long as you're not killing other people over their beliefs or using religions as a system of control over a populace, what harm does it do to believe that there is a god and that some form of life after death is possible?
Originally posted by Jrocbaby
Originally posted by macario
reply to post by Robot7
If you never got married in your entire life and when you reach your golden years you came and told me that the real concept of love between two married people doesn't exists, I wouldn't believe you. So to me he problem is that to reach a much more reliable conclusion you need to actually go outside, walk, laugh, talk, touch others, smell, see, hear, run, travel... Experiment (which is required in science). I'm not saying that a person like Hawking couldn't reach a reliable conclusion on a specific matter, all I'm saying is he can't prove his theories 100% because he does lack the ability to experiment. Sitting on a chair all your life might give you a lot of time to think but not time to prove in person your own thoughts.
So because you fell for the natural lure of human beings to reproduce, that changes the way the world works? And no love does not exist, it's an invisible game we play with the same species, to make survival easier, and to progress the species.
What about all the people in their golden years that have never been married or had children? Do you consider them inferior to you?
Originally posted by Slipdoggety
The funny thing is everyone here thats believes a guy that believes in the string theory, this dude is making stuff up everyday that doesn't exist and saying it does. Why would we believe him again? What has he done? Proved something about black holes and now others believe that they aren't even there.
Originally posted by Slipdoggety
The funny thing is everyone here thats believes a guy that believes in the string theory, this dude is making stuff up everyday that doesn't exist and saying it does. Why would we believe him again? What has he done? Proved something about black holes and now others believe that they aren't even there.
Originally posted by Jrocbaby
Originally posted by FlyingSkullOfDeath
Our Evolutionism believers here try to run from the fatal problem of Spontaneous Generation by complaining that "Creationists just don't understand me". Bottom line: Life is mathematically certain to be the product of Intelligent Design, while Darwin's Evolution has been rewritten several times and always with the same fatal flaws.
Evolution and Creationism are two totally different concepts, one is a fact with real evidence, the other is speculation with a different name that makes it seem less religious.
Life is mathmatically certain to be the product of intelligent design? Well prove it, thats right you can't. If you are talking about the spiral angle [i forget what it is called] that is on everything from cells to galaxies, if so, that does not point to anything at all. If anything, it points towards circular objects are the easiest for nature to use as the building blocks for life, which is why cells are not triangles or squares, nor galaxies or plants.
Originally posted by Unown
In spite of this being true, you seem like a depressed and troubled person, taking your anger out on the religious. Besides, I was talking about your feeling about no Gods existing, not your view on life/death.
But then again, you seem to think:
God = Afterlife
Probably because you're used to belittling Christians, like you did in your other post.
Originally posted by TiberianPurifier
i agree, there is no heaven or hell or god or spirits or ghosts or souls etc ..... its all an excuse, every person believes that he him/her self is better than others and hence believes that something special will happen to him following his/her death. well actually when you die you die, thats it. it could be because the organs are worn off and shut down so your brain ceases to function. right now you are alive not because of a soul but because your body's complex functioning is keeping your brain and remaining cells alive.
a human body is made up of only 28 basic elements in different proportions. trillions of atoms build your body. and everything works like a complex machine.
Originally posted by Elbereth
Originally posted by TravisT
Can you show me scientific proof of a soul?
I don't know if this qualifies as "scientific" proof of a soul, but it does raise questions.
From Wikipedia: In 1907, MacDougall weighed six patients while they were in the process of dying from tuberculosis in an old age home. It was relatively easy to determine when death was only a few hours away, and at this point the entire bed was placed on an industrial sized scale which was apparently sensitive to the gram. He took his results (a varying amount of perceived mass loss in most of the six cases) to support his hypothesis that the soul had mass, and when the soul departed the body, so did this mass. The determination of the soul weighing 21 grams was based on the average loss of mass in the six patients. Experiments on mice and other animals took place. Most notably the weighing upon death of sheep seemed to create mass for a few minutes which later disappeared. The hypothesis was made that a soul portal formed upon death which then whisked the soul away.
Snopes: Doctor weighs patients at moment of death
Wiki article: Duncan MacDougalledit on 16-5-2011 by Elbereth because: correct and add