Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
According to some fringe ufo sites, there is a soul catcher on the moon and the reptillians use humans for body fluids and to harvest souls that they sell to the galactic market for money.

How many people think this is credible?

lol

AN ‘ANONYMOUS’ SOURCE ‘MAY’ HAVE ‘INTERCEPTED’ THE FOLLOWING ‘SUBSPACE TRANSMISSION’

[BEGIN TRANSMISSION]

From: Draculi-Levithon IV-0094736
Commander of the Alpha Draco Regional Contingent
Ephraim [Canada] & Mannassah [USA] sectors
Solar-3 [Terra] Infiltration force
Station-D, Level-VII

To: Rashtikarsh-Draculon IX-0006476
Central Commander
Alpha Draconian Galactic Intelligence Force
664th degree
Terminal #3 – Central Nexus Command
Planet Typhon, Alpha Draconia

Glorious and Exalted One, I send you my humble greetings. Might and power
be to your holy and majestic name, and to your service as director of
Galactic Intelligence on behalf of his great and omnipotent highness, the
Lord Emperor of Alpha Draconis, and arch-regent of Lucifer.

Ever since our illustrious race in the most ancient of times joined in
alliance with the Luciferian gods, also known by the derogatory hu-man term
“poltergeists”, we have — by reason of our advanced genetic sciences, our
collective intelligence matrix, and the supernatural abilities which our
Luciferian benefactors have themselves bestowed upon us — enjoyed
physical, psychic and supernatural dominion over the hu-man species.

Our father Lucifer was wise to bestow upon our supreme race the dominion
over this world that his arch-nemesis Adonai had so presumptuously given to
the hu-mans.

True, it might seem that the hu-mans had ruled the surface realm of planet
Terra since ancient times when our species was driven into the subterranean
depths of planet earth. However this perceived dominion and freedom is only
an illusion [this history and the reality of our inner domain of course
having been sequestered from public consciousness by our agents on the
surface for our own protection].

We have, as you well know, inspired various elitist fraternities which have
been carefully designed and structured so as to initiate any hu-man who
might stumble onto certain technological secrets which otherwise might
upset the balance of our infrastructure of dependence and control through
which we keep the hu-man vermin in a state of submission. The purpose of
these fraternities also being to eliminate those who would betray these
secrets to the profane masses of hu-man cattle.

Yes, like cattle, humans do serve our purpose, and their purpose, as you
well know your excellency, is to serve our glorious race and to serve as
the milking-cows who provide us with a constant supply of the bioplasmic
fluids which we crave. So indeed you might say that it is in reality a
symbiotic relationship, with the hu-mans serving as the “hosts”.

However, we can not allow the masses of hu-man cattle to leave this planet,
otherwise the great plan of our lord and god Lucifer — to conquer the
cosmic realms which Adonai unjustly claims for himself — might be put in
jeopardy.

Only those who are truly loyal to Lucifer can be trusted to possess the
interplanetary and interstellar technology, as you well know most
illustrious one. And even through we have offered technology to the leaders
of the military-industrial-banking elite of Germany and America [Terra or
Solar-3] in exchange for “access” to various levels of their society, this
technology was either obsolete to us or it was assured that the hu-man
recipients were first under our psycho-emotional control, having received
the psionic implants within the nerve centers of the brain linking them
into the nexus. The nexus [which some hu-mans humorously refer to as the
"hive"] will be strengthened all the more once we have fully infiltrated
the Ashtar/Astarte psionic information matrix and have forever rooted out
the last vestiges of individual thought and expression. In that the
“Federation” places so much dependence on that particular cosmonet, as the
hu-mans do on their so-called internet, the Ashtar collective shall be the
common ground that we shall use to destroy and conquer our enemies within
the Federation, and ultimately shatter their futile blockade of Solar-3 and
its system.

This manner of assimilation through interventionist-collectivism, as you
well know your excellency, has been our policy for ages. It has also been
our policy that unless alien collaborators have been fully assimilated and
genetically integrated, that once their minds have been “bled” or “drained”
of any useful data, they have been eliminated once their usefulness has
been served, or in some cases their soul-energy fields have been removed
[into electro-magnetic containers and then sold on the metaversal galactic
markets as "energy food"], and replaced by one of our 5th dimensional
counterparts who have proven to be very useful to our 5th column agendas…
although some of the earlier “shifters” were rather indiscriminate in their
activities, giving rise to the ancient “vampire” legends among the hu-mans.
In these times however the shifters are far more discrete in their methods
of obtaining human bio-plasma in order to keep their host bodies from
decomposing prematurely. One of the most successful being the subterranean
“farms” where hu-man children, being strong in life-essence and free of
chemical contaminants, are bred for servitude and sustenance.

As you know, your highness, there is still the disturbing fact that some of
the hu-mans have in times past slipped through our claws and have acquired
hyperspace travel technologies and had established bases on Luna and Mars.
History will tell you of the glorious battles that have raged over and
within Terra, Luna, and Mars before the hu-mans managed to escape from the
system all-together, mainly to Orion and Lyra. We responded by establishing
our own imperial forces in Draconis and Bootes, and then in Orion once the
hu-man parasites were for the most part eradicated there, save for the
Nephel-Anakim who still maintain a considerable hold on the Betelgeusian
system. This left Lyra as our main target, and our vengeance was swift and
decisive once the great purge was ordered. In that mighty battle, our
glorious forces succeeded in wiping out most of the hu-mans in the Lyran
Alliance, save for a few resistors in Vega.

Many however escaped the purge, and spread like a virus throughout the
galaxy, in spite of the fact that we hunted down and eliminated a great
number of them. For instance the Zenatae Andromedans, the Tau Cetians,
Procyons, and even the female dominant Capellans who have betrayed our own
species and had taken sides with the so called “non interventionists”.

Our former lack of commitment in hunting down, eliminating and enslaving
the entire herd of the hu-man scourge shall haunt us and be a lesson and
motivation for our species for ages to come. However, with the blessing of
our lord Lucifer, we shall prevail in the end against Adonai and all who
serve him. Because of our past lack of discipline, our hold upon Terra must
be strengthened, until our forces — amassed within the Sol-ar system,
fortified beneath the crust of Solar-3, and within the localized alternate
reality singularities that we have generated within the grid matrix of
Solar-3 with the assistance of our human puppets within the Montauk network
– finally have the hu-mans surrounded on all sides. The time is soon at
hand when we shall bring about the complete collapse of their society and
initiate the implementation of total electromagnetic control of all hu-man
cattle on Solar-3, and in turn all remaining hu-man rebels throughout the
Multiverse.

Terra, unlike many worlds, holds a convergence of many of the ancient and
powerful meta-genetic characteristics, being essentially the galactic root
from which the hu-man scourge sprang. However our continued interference in
the hu-mans genetic lines has allowed us to keep them for the most part in
a state of docile passiveness, as we continue to rightfully take the
strongest genetic attributes of their race and integrate them into our own
glorious biogenetically engineered warrior lines.

And if factions do arise in rage, resulting from an overcrowded corral, we
shall simply influence the global merchants who have sold-out their own
kind for personal gain, and command them to use their economic pull to turn
these warring factions against each other, being extremely careful to
conceal ourselves, the ultimate “chess players”, from the rest of the blind
pawns while they continue on the path of mutual annihilation.

Thanks to the gullibility of the military-industrial element of the
surface, we now have the means to “bleed” the outer world of its resources,
and our hu-man servants have bled these cattle even more to help expand our
underground empire, having constructed for us even more sub-networks with
the hopes that they will be allowed inside and given refuge by us, once the
chaos and carnage begins.

It amazes me just how easily these greedy little worms will sell out their
own kind and then trust US to follow through on our so-called “promises”.
No harm done though, for these hu-man imbeciles provide us with a steady
supply of “hosts” for our 5th dimensional allies to incarnate, and a steady
supply of hu-man “soul patterns” to provide us with ectoplasmic sustenance.

Since technology on Terra has reached a critical mass and poses a threat to
our galactic empire, a project of massive depopulation through our fifth
column agents in the Terran United Nations Organization and other
eco-political global agencies — who are expert in divide-and-conquer
tactics — shall work to raise up the United States as the greatest threat
to the “socialized” world. Our agents in the economic infrastructure have
succeeded in polarizing the United States into the two fasocialist extremes
of left and right, unknowing in their ignorant blindness that both wings
are controlled by the same “dragon-lord”, whose purpose is to breath “fire”
upon the planet and to flap its left and right “wings” in order to “fan the
flames” that would destroy the old eco-political boundaries that were
established by Adonai, and thus offer us easier global control.

Since all hu-man conflicts have an economic “fuse”, we have made it our
priority, your highness, to infiltrate and control the most powerful
economic institutions of Solar-3. Eco-political collectivism in any form is
our desire, as it makes the hu-mans dependent, destroys
self-responsibility, and makes them all the more easily conquered,
controlled and manipulated towards our greater cause — a planet and galaxy
and metaverse where all hu-man cattle are finally contained in a
perpetually controlled society of servitude, in which the “livestock” will
be tamed completely, tagged, and made to serve and to feed our superior
race. We must therefore seek to destroy eco-political boundaries and hu-man
self responsibility at every possible opportunity.

The left-right capitalist/communist machievellian polarities of a
Russian-Chinese-Arab alliance vs. the U.S.-Canadian-European factions, and
even more localized “civil” conflicts within each of these, will decrease
the rebellious surface population dramatically. Once the major forces
deplete each other and the ectoplasmic manna released from the untold
numbers of dying hu-man cattle is “harvested” and stored up for our final
battle with Adonai, we will continue to divide-and-conquer and debilitate
the smaller localized factions until they are too weak to resist
assimilation… and the only faction that shall be allowed to maintain its
size and organization will be that which is directly under our
electromagnetic control via psionic implantation and programming.

We shall also appear in the skies as “saviors” to “rescue” millions of
hu-man cattle from the so-called earth-changes created by our
electromagnetic weapons, and from the war and disease and chaos and famine
also, but of course these “rescued” hu-man cattle will be redirected to
those areas of our empire which most need to be “sustained”, and little
will they suspect their ultimate fate. Many who do not fall for this guise
will be brought to the point where they shall sell their very soul-matrixes
to us for their daily bread.

An economic cattle/slave society based on an illusion of freedom has it’s
limitations. In the future all hu-man livestock must be “marked” and tagged
with sub-epidermal chip implants, which will be integrated with a
time-released virus to maintain the level of population on the planet that
we so desire. Every action and in fact every thought shall be monitored,
using our mainframe subspace microwave transceivers which are capable of
tapping the encephalographic and emotional signals directly from the nerve
centers of the brain, linking and assimilating those minds into the central
nexus, which will instantly through algorithmic programs interpret and
translate the neural-emotional energy signal-patterns and feedback the
conditioned assimilative responses that have been programmed into the
mainframes — which are carefully guarded under miles of earth and rock.

This is the glorious plan and destiny which our lord and god Lucifer has
bestowed upon us, your excellency. The blessing of our lord Lucifer be upon
you and our efforts, for his greater glory and for the glory of our
expanding multi-dimensional empire.

The universe shall be ours!!!

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Originally posted by AR154
reply to post by laiguana

 

No you can't say something is false just because you haven't found the proof for it - you admit you just don't know (perhaps yet).

edit on 16-5-2011 by AR154 because: (no reason given)

So you're willing to wager that the tooth fairy .......might be real?
Until it shows itself...I'm not going to say it might exist. I'm just going to say it doesn't.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Wow, that's some imagination you have there. You are a Trekkie aren't you?

Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;

Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:

So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

I am not trying to read through 30 something pages of religious debate so I am unsure whether this has been asked. If in fact Hawking all of a sudden change his mind and believed in God, would this change atheists mind? Would they then believe?

People like to appeal to authority when it suits their own predisposed belief system. I have done so in the past as well though it holds no value nor validity in reality. So again I pose the question; If Hawking had a change of heart would it have any effect on atheists?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Cliff notes?

Originally posted by NorEaster
I can prove that infinite physical existence (no beginning and no end) is logically impossible, but that takes a lot more than I'm going to indulge you with here. My book (link below) does all that heavy lifting if you really give a damn about the issue. If not, then believe in a holy, almighty energizer bunny.

I have time here on ATS to read your mathematical proof...put it on here and show us how it proves the 1st law of thermodynamics is crap.

. The first law of thermodynamics says dU=dQ-dW (or dPV), where U = internal energy, Q = heat, and W = work. Put your equation here so we may discuss it with you, and maybe help you out with solving it

Not at all. The believer looses his fear of death. Death is only the next step. He might as well have said, "There is no electricity; its a fairy story."

We know the results of electricity. It has always been there and will always be there as long as the universe is moving. It has infinite uses. Yet, we cannot see it. Our spirit is information in movement and every bit as real as electricity. I don't see it, yet I can know it is there. I realize my consciousness is not something I see, yet I realize that I am. Nothing in this universe is created or destroyed that is not already there in a constant state of becoming. Since we can never arrive, we have never left either. Now is. I am. Death, not so much a problem. God is AMAZING!!!! My consciousness is on loan form Him, forever!

Originally posted by Phenomium
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Wow, that's some imagination you have there. You are a Trekkie aren't you?

Not my message or poem. lol. I remember stumbling along this supposed message years ago and since everyone was talking about aliens and souls, I figured I put it out there so people make what they want out of it.

Feel free to laugh all you want. Its none of my concern. For people who want to download it, just google "anonymous message intercepted". Supposedly its from the dulce base in new mexico sent to alpha draconia where the reptillian controllers reside.

Thanks

This wreaks of a mediocre sci-fi movie, replete with dialog and everything. This is a storyline... not a message from space, from satanic alien gods that speak fluent english with each other instead of a native voice. I can just picture this guy with his "pinky finger" to the corner of his mouth (like that Austin Power guy)

Originally posted by BLKMJK
... So again I pose the question; If Hawking had a change of heart would it have any effect on atheists?

edit on 5/16/2011 by BLKMJK because: I am a Spell Tard

If he did, it wouldn't matter to me. God doesn't exist. I know a force of gravity exists because when i drop an apple it falls to the ground...i can repeat this so many times and get the same result.

Now is there any evidence God doesn't exist? Since he is nowhere to be found, I will design an experiment with the hypothesis that god exists. my null hypothesis is that god exists...i will call on him and ask him to prevent all manner of deaths and crimes world wide tomorrow...let's see what happens tomorrow.

I tried this experiment before and i rejected the null hypothesis that god exists with 100% certainty...maybe i had bias...lets try it together tomorrow...

Originally posted by laiguana

Originally posted by AR154
reply to post by laiguana

 

No you can't say something is false just because you haven't found the proof for it - you admit you just don't know (perhaps yet).

edit on 16-5-2011 by AR154 because: (no reason given)

So you're willing to wager that the tooth fairy .......might be real?
Until it shows itself...I'm not going to say it might exist. I'm just going to say it doesn't.

You can believe it doesn't exist as do 99.99% of normal people, but it doesn't make it a "fact", as that's something that is "scientifically provable", and the non-existance of a tooth fairy cannot be proven as far as we know. Not being pedantic, it's just the way it is.

reply to post by AR154


Now just swap 'tooth fairy' with 'god' and I'm getting the same. Except most people choose to believe in a god. I guess not everyone can phase out all their imaginary friends. It doesn't bother me, but don't try to make science accept your imaginary friends.

Originally posted by LiveEquation

Originally posted by BLKMJK
... So again I pose the question; If Hawking had a change of heart would it have any effect on atheists?

edit on 5/16/2011 by BLKMJK because: I am a Spell Tard

If he did, it wouldn't matter to me. God doesn't exist. I know a force of gravity exists because when i drop an apple it falls to the ground...i can repeat this so many times and get the same result. Now is there any evidence God doesn't exist? Since he is nowhere to be found, I will design an experiment with the hypothesis that god exists. my null hypothesis is that god exists...i will call on him and ask him to prevent all manner of deaths and crimes world wide tomorrow...let's see what happens tomorrow. I tried this experiment before and i rejected the null hypothesis that god exists with 100% certainty...maybe i had bias...lets try it together tomorrow...

edit on 16-5-2011 by LiveEquation because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-5-2011 by LiveEquation because: (no reason given)

Though I myself have absolutely of making God scientifically verifiable, I would in no way presume He/She would be subjected to any sort "testing" from inferior creations. IMO your experiment has no basis though you no doubt have better reasons for denying "Gods" existence than the method you posed.

I would say mr Hawking needs an epic dose of '___' for the road, then make a decision.

Originally posted by BLKMJK
Though I myself have absolutely of making God scientifically verifiable, I would in no way presume He/She would be subjected to any sort "testing" from inferior creations. IMO your experiment has no basis though you no doubt have better reasons for denying "Gods" existence than the method you posed.

propose an experimental design that god exists then...let's design it here now. At least mine is safer and would spare people tomorrow if he did exist unlike this unlucky christian fella who was trying to trample on a python because the bible told him so... check him out

reply to post by laiguana


God takes no forms, thats just vain imaginings.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

If it says we are created in his image. Does that mean that we are a literal image of God or his image for us individually.

Originally posted by laiguana
reply to post by AR154

 

Now just swap 'tooth fairy' with 'god' and I'm getting the same. Except most people choose to believe in a god. I guess not everyone can phase out all their imaginary friends. It doesn't bother me, but don't try to make science accept your imaginary friends.

I have a feeling that people will fall back on the bible and other religious texts saying that God is more documented than the Easter Bunny, which makes him more real.

If God wanted to end this debate, then he'd just come down and announce his intentions, but because he has to use ambiguous signs and events which may or may not be divine, people will have a hard time believing.

What God needs is damage control. His image has been so tarnished by the fakes and charlatans who profess to follow His teachings and spread His word, yet get caught in the act of doing the opposite, that He needs to come down and show that there is a God.

Otherwise, the fakes and charlatans are all people will use to show the lack of His involvement in this world. Think about cold fusion and how the Pons and Fleischmann announcement set back cold fusion and cast so much doubt on the possibility that anyone who even mentioned it would be ostracized.

So many of those events occurred in the history of religion that religion has lost it's credibility no matter how much truth there is in it. If God exists, he'll come down in his shiny cloudmobile and set it straight...

And who knows? Maybe some day he will, but until then, he's just the mythical creator of a magical universe that has yet to be proven to exist.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
reply to post by laiguana

 

God takes no forms, thats just vain imaginings.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

If it says we are created in his image...

Of course it shouldn't be a surprise that you being made in the image of a formless entity would have a formless identity and deny you are an organic lifeform