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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
But can he prove it? Of course not. With theories like the Multiverse and parallel universes who's to say that there is no heaven? What if heaven is another planet, perhaps the planet that our "creators" come from? None of it can ever be proven unless motherships start appearing over major cities and they tell us the truth about our origins.
Originally posted by space cadet
I do not understand that to simply state that there is a scientific reason for our being here, makes it impossible for a creator to have begun the events that led to our being here. There is no proof that a creator didn't begin this universe, and for as long as humans have been around they have believed that some entity 'controls' what has and will take place, without being taught so. There are those who, like myself, have experienced seeing a spirit, if those spirits are in one of the 11 dimensions, then they do exsist, only most cannot see them. How do we know they do not exist? Because science says so? But science also says there must be 11 dimensions and we are limited to only what we can see.
I just don't see any way to disprove that a creator didn't begin life and universe as we know it. We don't know. I am feeling at this point that Stephen Hawking is just closed to the idea of it.
I am not a person with strong religious convictions, I don't attend church or anything like that, but, I do believe in a creator, an entity that plays a part in our being here, and our future. I believe that the miracle of life is no more of a miracle than the miracle of life after death.
Originally posted by Spencer1989
My first reaction is.... So what? Why does his opinion matter any more than any other atheist or Christian or whatever on this subject?
This is not news worthy, no more than if a random homeless man gave you his opinion.
When he develops a theory based on complex physics and math to back it up, get back to me. Until then, this is no more important or meaningful than him announcing he prefers chocolate ice cream over vanilla.
edit on 16-5-2011 by Spencer1989 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist
He is an intelligent man who is entitled to his opinion. But someone cannot physically prove if heaven exists or not, so it isn't really Mr. Hawking's place to say whether or not it does with such certainty. Because, simply put, he does not know.
It makes me wonder if a life subjected to so much objectivity and science has molded his outlook on things of a spiritual nature in a biased way that is negative.
Originally posted by David291
reply to post by Jrocbaby
I wasn't telling my view on life, I was just CLEARLY stating, he doesn't know just like I don't.
Edit: I don't believe in any of that either but that does not mean that I am right. How does he know there is no God or is no heaven? Please tell me how, he doesn't. Not one of us on this earth know the truth of how we got here, noone. Ofcourse people can say, can say that but the fact is, we don't really know.
Maybe God did put us here, who knows or maybe it was just by chance or just maybe we were put here by an extremely advanced race. Who knows. Like I said, he is one of the worlds greatest minds, I never denied that and never will but like I said, he doesn't know everything and saying that he does would be ignorent.edit on 16/5/11 by David291 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
Hawkins knows a lot, but he has not returned from the Dead yet, to ttruely tell us what happend. And still, all the knowledge of Hawkins, as great as it seems to us today, will one day lie on the dust heap of the history of scientific hypothesis.
Originally posted by David291
reply to post by DuceizBack
I don't believe in that either but how do you know this? Is there any real proof that hell or heaven doesn't exist? Just like is there any proof that it does exist. Not one bit on either side of the argument, it's all down to a matter of belief.