Muslims in Western countries need to assimilate for their own sake and this is why

And to those that think that they should learn the language, tell me, what is the language?

Last time I checked America has no "official" language to learn.

Another moot point.

Originally posted by GringoViejo
And to those that think that they should learn the language, tell me, what is the language?

Last time I checked America has no "official" language to learn.

Another moot point.

I was getting ready to argue with you then I remembered hearing this in the past... looked it up and sure enough! Some states do have English as an official language though.

reply to post by descartes90


Indeed.. You are right.

And this is not the fault of most muslims as well.

I do blame our media for most things.

Hate, fear, sex, anger. All of these things sell. It's the platform of most major news media now.

reply to post by Soldier of God


People will never understand until they stop assuming and research the koran for themselves.

Does anyone realize the muslim neighbor they've been defending at any moment could chop off theirs and their childrens heads and fingertips because muslims are INSTRUCTED to? this is true. they are also taught they would be honoured by the god they worship. for abiding by such horror.


Will the above statement attempt to be drowned out by comparisons of crusades and hitler who actually never followed the Words of Christ.. where Christ commandants are to ' love your enemies and do good to those who spitefully use you and plot agaist you ' and ' love your neighbor as yourself ' among many other awesome instruction..

yes, the fact muslims follow ' rewarded murder ' is a very real fact yesterday and today.

will their be comparisons of so-called christians Vs actual muslim instruction of murder?

if their ARE comparisons, i'd like to ask each and every one of you to look at the death tolls today. how many thousands upon thousands are actually murdering in the name of God TODAY ?

forget the crusades who followed the instruction of ' men ' ..how about TODAY.

Again.. simply GOOGLE ' muslims kill ' or ' muslims murder ' including the year.... see the evidence happening all around the world with your own eyes. you may be next.

Originally posted by steven704
reply to post by Soldier of God

 

People will never understand until they stop assuming and research the koran for themselves.

Does anyone realize the muslim neighbor they've been defending at any moment could chop off theirs and their childrens heads and fingertips because muslims are INSTRUCTED to? this is true. they are also taught they would be honoured by the god they worship. for abiding by such horror.

That is illegal in the United States, sir.

If such an event occurs the legal system will deal with that person. If not, then the responsibility of the citizens is to see that the legal system do it's job.

Religious freedom does not mean freedom to do anything your individual holy book may or may not say.

Just because you don't like their religion doesn't mean it should be banned, or shouldn't be practiced, based on hypothetical situations stemming from your own fear or intolerance.

If they are not breaking a law, you can't do anything about their activities.

Get over it.

reply to post by GringoViejo


"" That is illegal in the United States, sir. ""




you must not be a religious man. because any man of faith knows the Commandments of God outweigh the commandants of men.

against whose law? take a look at all of the muslim mass slaughters around the world today.... are you implying they were perfectly within the law of the land ? rubbish. open your eyes blind man.

reply to post by steven704


Muslims in Western countries need to assimilate for their own sake and this is why

All religion should be rid of it's all a load of crap it's all from ancient writings and alls it does is cause conflict.We have priest who are gay or pedophiles we have Muslims blowing up Muslims and much more it's a farce all the religions have been twisted and turned all through history like a rumour in a high scoop bits get added and added and you end up with the crap we have now.The best way to sort it is for Muslims to stick to Muslim countries and so forth that way we don't come in conflict with each other but that just ain't gonna happen.The Muslim faith has been tarnished so badly by terrorists so bad the proper Muslims are left to suffer.

You get just as many wacko Christians as you do Muslims

Difference is, our society as a whole (UK) don't go church Sundays and barely give 2 F****..
The average Muslim is still stuck in the old "I fear gods wrath" crap. I love their adherence to faith but cannot stand the lack of tolerance.

They are here in my country, RESPECT IT

If I went to Dubai, I would RESPECT IT

So yes they need to adapt to their surroundings, if not..Do they really think they can change us?
Look up Enoch Powell, he predicted this years ago

reply to post by descartes90


Absolutely right,regardless of the circumstances that brought Muslim communities westwards,our cultures are far too disparate for there to be true integration and we need to either "repatriate" them or drastically curtail Islamic influences such as Sharia law for all our sakes.

No doubt some will, quite rightly, point out that too maintain our true" freedoms" we must tolerate all creeds,colours and religious beliefs,however Islam, in western terms, is a religion too far.

Originally posted by FermiFlux
The simple answer as to what muslims in the west must do is this; nothing.

I've grown up with many muslim friends, I have muslim neighbours, muslim colleagues...and the more I discuss with them the situation of muslims in the west the more I realize that muslims in the west themselves are changing. It really is very difficult to maintain an Islamic lifestyle if you are raised in the west from an early age.
It's very apparent that the new generation of muslims, the children of those adamant on sticking with Islamic principles in a westernized country, will not have the same attributes to ideologies as their parents.

Just get a little tighter with immigration, the ones that are raised here who stick strongly with an Islamic culture will dwindle away rapidly.

By the way, "honor killings" is a cultural problem, not a religious one.

Take a look at this chart.......and ask yourselves...why are the words terrorist and Muslims inseparable?

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Hooray Hooray we're saved!!!. Despite overwhelming evidence and 1500 odd years of history that show otherwise, everything will be fine because Fermiflux has discussed the situation with this 'new generation of muslims'. It is now 'very apparent' to him/her that this 'new generation' of muslims will not hold the same ideologies as their parents........"the ones that are raised here who stick strongly with an Islamic culture will dwindle away rapidly".

I am only guessing here but you live in America correct?

Here's an idea, why don't you take this revelation of yours down to a local Mosque or Muslim youth group somewhere in the UK or Europe and spread the word. Maybe then you might wake up to yourself after you realise that your attempt at tolerance has actually offended half the Mulsim community which is now calling for your head. The small minority that you didn't offend will never admit it or help to save you because they know the consequences.

But you know best.......apparently. To prove beyond any doubt that this generational change in ideology is happening as you say, how about you also wear a T-shirt with a picture of Mohammed on it. Then as you enter the mosque we can measure the average age of your assailants which could provide the data to back up your claims.

Have fun. Just remember that Islam is very succesful at putting a stop to any such attempts at change from internal or external forces and that will not be changing in our lifetime. That is 'very apparent'.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
"Forego their individuality"

Are you serious???? Have you seen these guys???

That is what I say when I see emo-kids.

So are we suggesting a national uniform for western nations? A dress code? I would like to see a proposal.

Originally posted by descartes90
Westerners can't tolerate Islamic practice because they do things like segregate the sexes and Sharia law, and Muslims can't tolerate us because we drink alcohol and look at porn.

there is no problem here, you are clearly picking on muslims

They DONT segregate sexes in the following muslim countries? azerbaijan, iran, iraq, kuwait, qatar, lebanon, syria, turkey, jordan, yemen, palestine, eygpt, united arab emirates libya, tunisia, morroco, algeria


they only do that in saudi arabia and maybe oman

why would the muslims bring sharia law to europe when more than 80% of the muslim countries themselves dont follow it?

also, watching porn is not normal, its a sick unhealthy habit. i think any right minded person regardless of religion will agree that porn is a sick habit.

to be honest with you, you can buy alcohol in iraq, gulf countries(need licence), syria, jordan, lebanon, turkey. In syria you can drink in night clubs.

the license is given to foreigners working in eg saudi arabia, they can only buy a limited amount of alcohol with the license.

you clearly tired of life and need something to put all your anger and frustration on. you picked on the muslims.

Originally posted by steven704
Does anyone realize the muslim neighbor they've been defending at any moment could chop off theirs and their childrens heads and fingertips because muslims are INSTRUCTED to? this is true. they are also taught they would be honoured by the god they worship. for abiding by such horror.

Did you know that Catholics eat unbaptized babies and that Jewish people have horns? If I add "this is true" does it scare you yet?

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Do you realize that what you just said was a lie?? Open your eyes blind man...

reply to post by Runaway1977

(the koran)
Surah8:12

" Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): " am with you: give firmness to the Believers:
I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

This.

This.
Quran (8:12) -

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" 

" give firmness to the Believers:
I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Originally posted by Hindenburg

Originally posted by descartes90
Westerners can't tolerate Islamic practice because they do things like segregate the sexes and Sharia law, and Muslims can't tolerate us because we drink alcohol and look at porn.

there is no problem here, you are clearly picking on muslims

They DONT segregate sexes in the following muslim countries? azerbaijan, iran, iraq, kuwait, qatar, lebanon, syria, turkey, jordan, yemen, palestine, eygpt, united arab emirates libya, tunisia, morroco, algeria


they only do that in saudi arabia and maybe oman

why would the muslims bring sharia law to europe when more than 80% of the muslim countries themselves dont follow it?

also, watching porn is not normal, its a sick unhealthy habit. i think any right minded person regardless of religion will agree that porn is a sick habit.

to be honest with you, you can buy alcohol in iraq, gulf countries(need licence), syria, jordan, lebanon, turkey. In syria you can drink in night clubs.

the license is given to foreigners working in eg saudi arabia, they can only buy a limited amount of alcohol with the license.

you clearly tired of life and need something to put all your anger and frustration on. you picked on the muslims.

I am NOT PICKING ON THE MUSLIMS!!! I LOVE EVERYONE!!!

You make good points though. I didn't know that. All I'm saying is that Europe has a bad history of killing people it doesn't like, so merely for the sake of the survival of Muslims in Europe, they should try to adapt a little bit.

Originally posted by descartes90

Originally posted by lifeissacred
reply to post by descartes90

 

'Assimilate to the west'? Meaning completely foregoing their individuality and identification with their heritage and culture? Western nations are supposed to encourage individual expression and freedom to choose. How can we dictate to others on how they should dress etc..

Very true I agree. People who criticize the faults of Islam sometimes act like Western culture is perfect. At least Muslims HAVE a culture. LOL All I'm saying is if Westerners do not like burqas, they should be willing to compromise. They should also be willing to accept Western justice systems. Since after all, they are guests when they are in Europe.

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reply to post by descartes90


You are joking right. There is a lot of segregation in all or most of those countries. Maybe it depends on what you call segregation. I have been married to an Iraqi man and am currently planning on a trip to Egypt to visit a friend. Therefore I know a little about what I am saying. In relation to adaptation. Most people in the US couldn't care less about someones religion. The problem is that so many Muslims make themselves stand out and that draws attention to themselves. Many give the impression that they deliberately stand out sending out a message
that they don't want to be part of Western Culture in a Western World. Almost all has to do with the way the women dress. Most of the men dress in modern clothing. It would be just as strange to see men dressed modern and walking down the street with an Amish women. This relates in a lot of peoples mind that the women are being subjected to mistreatment and set apart. In the same way as a women walking down the street with bruises and a blackeye. It is strange how material that hangs on ones body can have a profound effect on the mind.

reply to post by steven704


Save your out of context cherry pickings, please. I know how to take things out of context as well and you do not want me to display the Christian Bible in the same light you attempt to apply to the Koran. The funny thing is that the parts you chose actually go against your point if you read the whole book and understand what you read. I am not sure why people think that a few out of context lines from a huge book makes a valid argument for or against anything but it does not. Sorry. If you are being attacked by Muslims, I expect to find a story about it in the news. If you are whining because you do not like how Muslim women dress I cannot help you.