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Originally posted by kix
First. Mexican population has always been high in the southern states because it was mexican territory in the first place. (it was forcefully annexed to the US in the same maner that Saddam did to kuwait-but that another theme).
Second. 95% of the jobs taken by ilegal inmigrants, are low wage jobs and jobs NO american will do (open you regrigerator see the lower part for vegetables and I bet most of them have been picked up by ilegal inmigrants).
These are jobs poor Americans should do which would lower the amount of US's poor and homeless population.
Third: A large Part of the basic economy and the existence of basic jobs and food jobs are worked by Mexican hands.
True but again, these jobs should be preformed by the poor and homeless.
Fourth: MExicans Pay taxes (they have to pay sales tax dont they?) or do you think they live off the air, they buy things in the US and in some years they will be a force in the buying economy (WHY?) because the growth rat e s the highest in the US.....Legal and Ilegal.
Illegals do pay sales tax but not INCOME TAX or Medicare, the two big takers. So when i pay my taxes i am paying for more illegals to cross over to the US and still Poor Tax Paying Americans jobs.
Also between 3 and 5 Mexican die every day crossing arizona (the sonoran-arizona-chihuahua desert is more dangerous and hot then the saudi arabian Desert. So that "easy crossing" is pure BS.
It is not too hard to cross because 1500 illegals are entering everyday
If the situation is so bad WHY THE US DOES NOT CLOSE THE BORDER, is the government Stupid? NNOOO.
the trade with Mexico is more than 35 billion a year the wealth generated by mexican hard work in the south states has not been calculated but by the money the send to Mexico each year (23 to 25 billion) they generate at least 110 billion a year alone and they pay from 8 to 10 billion a year (granted legaly that sum would likely be more like 30 billion), but they make goods for that ammount of $$$.
This is the problem, they send 23-25 billion dollars back home (NOT USA). When Americans make that amount of money, it is taxed and then spent here in the US.
If the Us closed the borders with Canada and Mexico to protect itself (remember that almost 65% of the gas is from MEx and CAN) the gasoline would go to 5 to 6 dollars a galon (like Europe), the trading for more than a 3 billion would go to hell, and All 3 countries would be in REALLY DEEP pork$$$it.
Well im not sure if this would work but, all the money that i and all other Americans pay to; keep illegals alive, send them home, and fix property they have destroyed would go to keeping the cost of fuel and other goods low, just a thought
The prices of food would skyrocket, there would be no janitors, no cleaners, no packers no house keeping, no hotel workers......
Poor and Homeless Americans would work the jobs
A nightmare...SO THEY DO NOT CLOSE THE BORDER because of $$$$$$.....
Check the movie "a Day without mexicans" now at some theaters go see it and then post, surelly itll change your perspective.
IMHO is a very complex problem and trying to solve it with a wall is the same thinking that got you in to war with IRAQ (by the way 5 mexican soldiers have died in combat in the US forces in IraQ so that thing about defending the US is a multinational thing)
Originally posted by kix
I agree that income tax is the biggest problem, but you are assuming that poor people and homeless will do those jobs?
Why they havent taken the jobs already?
a) Because they would be payed higher because of labour laws etc.
Its time we do things legit and help out all Americans, not people that sneeak into my country.
b) Because the farmers and those employers profit from their illegal status.
Except the farmers that have to keep putting up fences and repair land illegals destroy everyday. Farmers also pay for the illegals through tax money. Maybe we should cut taxes for farmers and they could use that money to pay Americans to the work.
c) Because those homeless and poor can not do and Wont do those jobs.
They will if we lock them up for begging on the street corners in our major cities (but thats a whole differnent topic). We have to sacrific some of the homeless Americans freedoms, they will beneift in the end.
d) Because if they did the cost of farming, services and basic services-goods would come up 3 or 4 fold.
Like i said, i am paying for illegals with my taxes so whats the difference, the difference. is saftey.
e) all of the above.
correct answer = e
If you have been to a farm where they grow for example... tomatoes? can a white (no racist thinking here) endure 12 hours in the sun picking up tomatoes? ask a farmer theyll tell you not even black people endure thats why they use mexicans.
Yes...white and black people could do those jobs. Before slavery was intruduced whites built this country and after slavery was intruduced, blacks unfortunatley were forced to build the rest of this country. So don't give me that BS. Tax Paying Americans don't do it because we want too much money, it has nothing to do with color or nationality.
Canada has a limited inmigration program, for mexicans to go and pick up harvests of apple and other crops it is permited for 4-5 months and thy get paid, they pay a special salary they have limited benefits and they get their money and they come back to Mexico, guess the Canadians have been more open and wise about the situation (on the crops and farming at least).
One BIG difference, the mexicans entering Canada are entering LEGALLY.
I dont mean to be rude or tell you that is funny you are being invaded, but it all boils down to cost/benefit...the day the US does not get a benefit from these situation theyll make a wall, go to war invade, or kill....or say we have WMD.....
Originally posted by kix
Some here do not get it its not me!
Firts of all if you read my original post, I never said that Ilegal Inmigration should be permited (hence the Canadian example of the second post).
Some here say that homless and poor should be locked up and forced to work in "those jobs" taken by ilegals, good luck pal with the fisrt ammendment and the land of the "free" (if you are not homeless and poor-that kind of coments like "we must let some of our freedoms go if we want to be better" GIVE ME CHILLS....
Botom line the US profits from all those ilegal aliens so does Mexico, just think about it: will you pay 3 times as much for the basic foods ?, would you pay minimum wage to janitors and jobs that are worked by Ilegals? (hotel maids for example?- on a side note a hotel in Mexico cost at least twice as one in the US because of labor laws).
I am not endorsing ro happy about criminal activities, all I am saying that big bussines profits from that and that is the bottom line do not turn this thread in to a hate thread.
And one last thought..if you are not a native american you are yourself an inmigrant, maybe third gen or fifth gen but an inmigrant anyways.....just because you got there earlier does not entitle ANYONE to get a hollier that you attitude ( Speaking of LEGALS IN THE US just to clarify)
Originally posted by donguillermo
Totalitarian societies build walls. Free societies tear them down.
Remember the Berlin Wall? Remember Reagan's famous statement, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."