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The Case Of U.S. Political Madness - Exhibit A = Propoganda

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Propoganda

Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position so as to benefit oneself.

As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.

en.wikipedia.org...

Alot times when people post threads with links to middle eastern state run media outlets
Then we have members criticizing the source, which is fine
But alot of them do it under the assumption that many of their own domestic media outlets are different

Fox News
Fox News is obviously aims to make you believe it is a right-wing news station but supports all forms of neo-conservatism. Neo-Conservatism is the one of the most anti-fiscal conservative isms.
Now if a station supports the conservative party and constantly bickers against the liberals and gives highly opinionated commentaries.

There is less and less news these days, every time I turn the news on I see commentary
Whenever I go to major new outlet's websites I read commentaries.
Commentaries that supports mostly one side of the fence of the "divide the people" right-wing arena
Biased commentaries is obviously propaganda


MSNBC
Appease to their emotions, tell them they will get free this and free that and keep calling it free
Never spotlight the fact that the lower class and middle class get hurt by it the most
Nope, we'll worry about the fees later, or perhaps never, but free this and free that

Opinionated and Biased commentaries on MSNBC and hardly ever news
How is this also not propaganda?

From having it's viewers think with their knee-jerk hearts and never their brains
Olbermann to now O'Donnell, to Rachel Maddow to Cenk.
It's all disgusting commentaries and barely ever news.


CNN
Let's pretend to be centrists but we almost always support Big Govt. at the end of the day


The people allow themselves to believe these the most major examples of propaganda are the best examples of a reliable source.

America is quite broken, hence the broken shield in my new AV

With every major issue the United States Of America is the most divided country BAR NONE!!!!
This is ONLY because of propaganda and distracted viewers.

I remember I was very critical of the republicans while in power
And even myself I have become somewhat entangled in this web of deceit as now i'm very critical of liberals now that they are in power.

The opposition always has the better message and we keep falling for this endless cyclical labyrinth of deceit.

I just wanted to make this thread because I think we should think twice before judging an Al Jazeera link, a Hareetz Link or a Russian Today link.
We are..... unfortunately no better




posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Propoganda


I remember I was very critical of the republicans while in power
And even myself I have become somewhat entangled in this web of deceit as now i'm very critical of liberals now that they are in power.


Modern, remember this is no difference between the two. This is why we attempted to clean house last fall. It didn't work. To actually fix this we have to clean every darn one of them out which may be impossible.

However, there is good news. The last two administrations have gathered so much power into the office of the president that if we can actually get a true Federalist into the White House, it is possible to slow it down enough until I have passed away. To be clear: there is no stopping them. All we can do is slow them down.

We are working within the concept of the Overton Window
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Well, i agree with what you said about american media.. But we have Bush sr and deregulation of media to thank for that.. If you notice now stations like fox dont even call themselves journalists, they call themselves broadcasters.. Its all a big show and people buy it up.

That said i dont think it wise to trust all propaganda just because others have lied also. I think people who really want to know about issues should look into them from many sides and judge for themselves.. After all truth doesnt even matter when someones mind is made up, take Osama or the birther blah here, it will always keep going and without any "facts" just because it what people want to think, truth doesnt matter.

ATS also hypes propaganda, look at this birther survey, what a joke and all for the hits.. Kinda like going to FOX news and asking them how many of them are proud liberals.. All these people you see online claiming to be for "truth" meh, its the truth they want to see, maybe not so much the truth that keeps the world moving and is right.. No different then the big media giving me the truth it wants.

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by billxam
However, there is good news. The last two administrations have gathered so much power into the office of the president that if we can actually get a true Federalist into the White House,

Wait
The federalist party had bankers in charge, are you suggesting we return to that?
That's a horrible idea

There is way too much corruption in Washington for Federalism just as there are too many lobbyists for Socialism to work.

Both federalism and socialism are horrible ideas



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by billxam
However, there is good news. The last two administrations have gathered so much power into the office of the president that if we can actually get a true Federalist into the White House,

Wait
The federalist party had bankers in charge, are you suggesting we return to that?
That's a horrible idea

There is way too much corruption in Washington for Federalism just as there are too many lobbyists for Socialism to work.

Both federalism and socialism are horrible ideas



Among the most formidable of the obstacles which the new Constitution will have to encounter may readily be distinguished the obvious interest of a certain class of men in every State to resist all changes which may hazard a diminution of the power, emolument, and consequence of the offices they hold under the State establishments; and the perverted ambition of another class of men, who will either hope to aggrandize themselves by the confusions of their country, or will flatter themselves with fairer prospects of elevation from the subdivision of the empire into several partial confederacies than from its union under one government.


Alexander Hamilton. Thomas Jefferson. John Adams. Benjamin Franklin. Read and learn. We were lied to during our "education". You need to re-educate yourself.
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Excellent thread, very well put. It's hard to define "credible" news sources and what produces truth. In my opinion no news station is without bias, as all stations are run by people and people will always have a biased opinion of their own beliefs.

I would say American news stations are no better than state controlled media. Anything the Gov tells them to say, they say it.

The worst part about it, is that the vast majority of those that watch MSM buy it hook line and sinker. What the news man says is fact.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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Before you tell people to educate themselves....

The writers of the Federalist Papers was John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison.

You should also know.. that the Federalist Papers were inspired by Alexander Hamilton, who founded the Federalist Party during George Washington's presidency. The party (Federalist) was supported, funded and manned by bankers and the largest corporate controllers of the era. Hamilton himself was the brainchild of the first form of the Federal Reserve Bank.. the system we have in place today is the same concept he came up with in the 1700's.

Federalist believed in consolidating power in the Presidency and did not believe in the Republic, and in fact were anti-Republic favoring the stronger more centralized power being given to the Federal Government.

Yes, the past Presidency's, in fact everyone since Lincoln, is/was a Federalist. And Federalist support bankers and corporations over citizens, believe in the Federalism over Republicanism, and that through economic manipulation you can control the influence over the People.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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That is beyond incorrect to the point of non-reality. What they were doing was selling the concept of a federal system of government to act as the capstone of the former colonies, nothing more.

The problem that we have now with the propaganda system that we have currently in place is the false methodology of didascalic references that are currently the basis of information. It is incorrect and provable by examining the words from the original sources. If the Overton window had been invented back then we would have seen a right of center methodology of governmental implementation with a minimalist mind set.

Everything that is now is not as intended and that includes the information that is transmitted by the former fourth estate.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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...No .. it's pretty much fact.


Federalism was born in 1787, when Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison wrote 85 essays collectively known as the Federalist papers. These eloquent political documents encouraged Americans to adopt the newly-written Constitution and its stronger central government.


www.pbs.org...


Anti-Federalists such as Thomas Jefferson feared that a concentration of central authority might lead to a loss of individual and states rights.
They resented Federalist monetary policies, which they believed gave advantages to the upper class.



Jefferson and his colleagues formed the Republican Party in the early 1790s. By 1795, the Federalists had become a party in name as well



The Federalists feared and hated Jefferson, but partly due to infighting, they were never able to organize successful opposition. A last great hope -- that the New England states would secede and form a Federalist nation -- collapsed when Jefferson won a landslide reelection in 1804, thanks to the Louisiana Purchase.


Jefferson: Supported a Confederacy of free states.
Hamilton: Supported strong centralized government.


An admirer of British political systems, Hamilton was a nationalist who emphasized strong central government and successfully argued that the implied powers of the Constitution could be used to fund the national debt, assume state debts, and create the government-owned Bank of the United States. These programs were funded primarily by a tariff on imports and a highly controversial excise tax on whiskey.


Hamilton supported a Reserve Bank.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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I repeat. Read the words of the writers not the interpretation of someone else. You are being lied to, it is mindless drivel. What you are reading is false, propaganda, it's the point of this thread. It is propaganda designed to make you think this way. The OP made it pretty clear. What we are being shown, taught and what is being reported is propaganda as in lies, falsehoods, not true, misconstrued. To assume that what you are regarding as true makes Obama and Bush both Federalists, which is false to the point of treason against the republic, the wages of which are fairly evident.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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I've read the documents, I've even had to do a 10 page summary of the documents and the Federalist movement (I majored in history). And I still say, without a doubt, you have no idea what you're talking about... You claim to be pro-Federalist .. ok .. we aren't friends. I side with Jefferson 100%.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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Thanks for this good view. Many time we can diagnose problem,but most often we don't know solution .
Could give us solution for this issue .Undoubtedly a lot of people miss this fact.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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the propaganda machine is good way for them to confuse the populace into not being sure what to believe in

it needs to stop

let the truth prevail

if the truth cannot prevail then welcome to 1984's rendition of "big brother"



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Well, i agree with what you said about american media.. But we have Bush sr and deregulation of media to thank for that.. If you notice now stations like fox dont even call themselves journalists, they call themselves broadcasters.

It was like this before Bush, not as much no but still it was there
it being more now is not because of Bush, it's because of tptb gaining more and more power over time


Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
ATS also hypes propaganda, look at this birther survey, what a joke and all for the hits.. Kinda like going to FOX news and asking them how many of them are proud liberals.. All these people you see online claiming to be for "truth" meh, its the truth they want to see,

ATS is not even ATS though, it's many different people
so there were alot of birthers and there were alot of birther deniers just like in the real world



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by billxam
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That is beyond incorrect to the point of non-reality.


No, he's spot on. You do need a bit more education into the history of the first U.S. government, who supported it, and who supported what.

As to the OP, good thread. The only caveat I have for myself is that I don't automatically call something B.S. if it comes from the MSM. Just because something is propaganda, doesn't mean it isn't true.

/TOA



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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That's true.. I more apt way of looking at it, is to see the news but come to your own conclusions.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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love it great post and ya calling out the propaganda machines a great start
not one of those is any kind of real news station. FnS hope you get lots more.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by The Old American
As to the OP, good thread. The only caveat I have for myself is that I don't automatically call something B.S. if it comes from the MSM. Just because something is propaganda, doesn't mean it isn't true.

/TOA

Oh absolutely, I often use CNN, MSNBC or Fox as news sources for threads I create
Sometimes I cite it other times my opening statement blasts it

I am a skeptic but not everything is a conspiracy



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Well, i agree with what you said about american media.. But we have Bush sr and deregulation of media to thank for that.. If you notice now stations like fox dont even call themselves journalists, they call themselves broadcasters.. Its all a big show and people buy it up.


AHHhhh yes the usual bash bush. And no I am not a Rebooblican.

Here is what ACTUALLY happened to the media.


U.S. Congressional Record February 9, 1917, page 2947


Congressman Calloway:...Mr. Chairman, under unanimous consent, I insert into the Record at this point a statement showing the newspaper combination, which explains their activity in the war matter, just discussed by the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. MOORE]:

“In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, ship building and powder interests and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press in the United States.

“These 12 men worked the problems out by selecting 179 newspapers, and then began, by an elimination process, to retain only those necessary for the purpose of controlling the general policy of the daily press throughout the country. They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. The 25 papers were agreed upon; emissaries were sent to purchase the policy, national and international, of these papers; an agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers.

“This contract is in existence at the present time, and it accounts for the news columns of the daily press of the country being filled with all sorts of preparedness arguments and misrepresentations as to the present condition of the United States Army and Navy, and the possibility and probability of the United States being attacked by foreign foes.

“This policy also included the suppression of everything in opposition to the wishes of the interests served. The effectiveness of this scheme has been conclusively demonstrated by the character of the stuff carried in the daily press throughout the country since March, 1915. They have resorted to anything necessary to commercialize public sentiment and sandbag the National Congress into making extravagant and wasteful appropriations for the Army and Navy under false pretense that it was necessary. Their stock argument is that it is 'patriotism.' They are playing on every prejudice and passion of the American people.”... www.mindfully.org...


And it is just the same today:

JP Morgan: Our next big media player?


.... JP Morgan is the administrator of $8.57 billion in senior debt against Tribune and itself holds about $1 billion of that.

JP Morgan Chase already owns a majority stake in Irvine, Calif.-based Freedom Communications, publisher of The Orange County (Calif.) Register, 25 other daily newspapers and operator of eight television stations.

And last year, JP Morgan Chase took over Yardley, Pa.-based Journal Register Co., publisher of 19 daily newspapers.

At both Freedom and JRC, JP Morgan Chase had been the lead lender. When the companies could no longer repay their loans, they swapped debt for equity in their reorganization plans, making the bank their majority shareholder as they emerged from bankruptcy protection.

If it takes control of Tribune today, JP Morgan will now oversee 54 U.S. daily newspapers, the largest being the Los Angeles Times, making it the country's second largest daily newspaper publisher after Gannett.

JP Morgan will also own 31 television stations, surpassing the number of TV stations owned by CBS and News Corp....
www.newsandtech.com...


That is just the easy to find stuff. GE has 49% of MSNBC and JP Morgan is their senior financial advisor. And that doesn't even get into the cross-linking board of directors not to mention powerful advertisers. Monsanto managed to get Derry Brownfield kicked of the air.

Media Conglomerates, Mergers, Concentration of Ownership: www.globalissues.org...


Who controls the media www.nowfoundation.org...

Interlocking Directorates
Media corporations share members of the board of directors with a variety of other large corporations...




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posted on May, 16 2011 @ 09:13 AM
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Wow thanks for posting that
I wasn't aware of this



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