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Osama Bin Laden and the South African Nukes

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:51 PM
A few weeks ago the newspapers revealed that a senior Al Qaeda operative stated the terrorist group were in possession of a nuclear bomb.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the operational commander of al-Qaeda who was detained at Guantanamo and will stand trial this year for his role as the mastermind of the attacks on 11 September 2001, was the source of this claim. He said that they had a hidden nuclear weapon somewhere in Europe according to documents leaked to Wikileaks.

Muhammed said that they would detonate it if Osama bin Laden captured or killed. He explained that al-Qaeda will launch an attack “nuclear hell” in the entire world if that happened. (1)

I suspect that the nukes Al Qaeda got hold of was the one of three ex-South African nuclear bombs that Margaret Thatcher ordered David Cameron to hand over to an international arms dealer John Bredenkamp in 1989.

These three nuclear weapons were sent from South Africa to Oman where Dr. David Kelly was in charge of ensuring their safety.

They were held in an unsecure military facility and were later stolen and by sold on by Bredenkamp to Saddam Hussein.

These weapons were then shipped to Syria during the war against Iraq.

I suspect that one of these weapons are the ones that Al Qaeda say they have got hold of.

It means that potentially there are three nuclear weapons in the hands of Islamist terrorists.

Now many people have been saying for a while that a nuclear weapons attack would be undertaken in the US - and if it is then the nuclear weapon invlved will be one of these South African bombs.

For more on this story visit here ;

" On September 22 1979, Israel and South Africa tested a nuclear device, an 18.2 kiloton bomb. This test in a remote area of the Indian Ocean was detected by America’s VELA satellite system and confirmed by acoustic sensors. A forensic signature of this weapon was developed, not only through optics but through particle emissions. When an identical weapon was detonated by North Korea on May 25, 2009, a question was raised. How did a nuclear weapon built by Armscor, an Israel company operating in South Africa, end up in North Korea?

This is the story of the “Tory nukes,” nuclear weapons purchased by Margaret Thatcher in 1991 from South Africa under a secret authorization describing the weapons as “cylinders.” Those involved in putting this bombs into special containers, transporting them to Durban and then off to a container storage facility in Oman from which they disappeared are now filling volumes. When the weapons containers which had laid unguarded for months in a container yard in Oman were forwarded to the United States for dis-assembly in accordance with treaty requirements, only concrete blocks were found. The disappearance has been directly tied to two arms traders who ran illegal trafficking for Israel and South Africa during the Iran-Iraq War.

The accused were business partners in the “Ollie North era” Reagan hijinks known as Iran Contra. The “thieves” were connected to the highest levels of, not only Israeli intelligence but the CIA as well.

Israel says Saddam stole the weapons.

As late as 2003, Tony Blair used this “tale” to back what Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg calls “the illegal invasion of Iraq.” Blair had financial incentives to back the invasion, several million of them, as secret letters leaked to the press but never printed have shown. "

This is why Dr. David Kelly was murdered - he knew the full story about the nuclear bombs shipped from South Africa and what the British and American forces were really looking for in Iraq.

They were looking for the stolen South African weapons that had been sold to Saddam Hussein by Bredenkamp.

If the full story of these bombs were exposed as the basis of the search for WMD in Iraq, then the full story of Margaret Thatcher and David Camerons role in the affair would become known.

What does this mean.

It means that Al Qaeda potentially have access to three nuclear weapons.

It may be that the reason why Osama Bin Laden was killed last week was because these weapons have been located - and hence the blackmail threat by Al Qaeda to explode one in the event of Osama Bin Ladens death was no longer operative and hence the 'kill order' was issued to execute Osama Bin Laden - who would also have known about the history of these Al Qaeda obtained bombs.

Osama had to be killed in case he revealed the truth about where Al Qaeda obtained these bombs.

This could be the secret note handed to President Obama by Brigadier General Wilson on April 29th, which allowed Obama to approve the execution of Osama Bin Laden.(3)

This may also be the reason why Osama Bin Laden was allowed to stay alive for so long by the US - as they must have known where he was living in Pakistan for years. The CIA must have known where Bin Laden was for years, and Obama has confirmed that they had known since August 2010 that Osama Bin Laden was present in the house where he was later killed.

So why did they not order him arrested before now ?

Until they either founds the bombs, or were prepared for one of the bombs to go off and exploit it politically - then they had to allow Osama Bin Laden to stay alive.

It may also be that we are about to experience a 'false flag' nuclear weapons attack in order to act as a pretext for the US or Europe to impose martial law as a result of the looming economic collapse that will destroy the entire corrupt power structures our nations.

This would also explain why the US have started to order massive amounts of anti-radiation sickness pills in anticaption of a nuclear terrorist attack (4)




(4) Fri September 12, 2003 01:52 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration said on Friday it was trying to entice someone, somewhere, into making drugs to treat people for internal radiation poisoning.

It said it had identified two compounds that could be made into safe drugs and called on companies to come up with plans for making them.

The compounds, pentetate calcium trisodium (Ca-DTPA) and pentetate zinctrisodium (Zn-DTPA), can be safe and effective for the treatment of internal contamination with plutonium, americium, or curium, the FDA said.

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:57 PM
Nice thread. thought provoking indeed. S+F
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 01:05 PM
Thanks mate.

Read the article on link (2) as it explains the story of the nukes.

But the info from Ms Tara Davison who was a very senior Intel Operative hired by the government to investigate illegal arms trading with Iraq. Ms Davison had previously given evidence to the Scott Inquiry (behind closed doors) but was not called before the Chilcot Inquiry to hand over her sound evidence, is the killer info.

Many people knew of the existence of this evidence including Lord Doug Hoyle and the Prime Minister at the time Gordon Brown and they even knew that Ms Tara Davison private dwellings had been raided by 13 male police officers from the Derbyshire Constabulary.

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 01:09 PM
reply to post by leejohnbarnes

Most Excellent Thread. Well thought out and totally plausible. I'm still not entirely convinced that he hasn't been dead for years, in a meat locker somewhere in Pakistan. S and F

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 01:32 PM
Tbh, this makes more sense than the whole idea of just wanting to get rid of saddam, n get the oil. While that may be a part of it, the idea of missing nukes is very troubling. No way this would have been made public.

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 01:38 PM

Originally posted by ATSecretAgent
Tbh, this makes more sense than the whole idea of just wanting to get rid of saddam, n get the oil. While that may be a part of it, the idea of missing nukes is very troubling. No way this would have been made public.

You are correct mate.

Five things scare me about this ;

1) The death of Dr. David Kelly was obviously a murder - and this explains why he had to be silenced and it also relates to things Dr .Kelly said about threats to his life from people because of what he knew

2) The fact that Al Qaeda said they have a nuclear bomb and the US took this statement seriously

3) The North Korea bomb signature confirms the truth of the missing nukes

4) It explains why the US and UK really did look for nuclear weapons in Iraq

5) The US buying anti-radiation pills

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 01:40 PM
Question is, have they been found?

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 01:54 PM

Originally posted by ATSecretAgent
Question is, have they been found?

Who knows ?

The even more scary question is - do you think the CIA and the same people that allowed 911 to happen would use a nuke they gained possession of and explode it in Europe or America and then blame Al Qaeda whilst imposing martial law within the US and Europe ?

Now that is scary.

If they let 911 happen - they would let this happen.

Remember Operation Northwoods ;

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:03 PM
reply to post by leejohnbarnes

Yea... it seems the US has been at this game for a few years now.

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:31 PM

There are nuclear weapons out there, maybe in terrorists hands, two or five, as many as seven or more. Iran and North Korea didn’t build them. North Korea’s nuclear program is a sham and Iran may simply be a scapegoat. Iran is not building nuclear weapons, they don’t possess the necessary centrifuges to enrich uranium. Using their available technology, a nuclear weapon could not be produced in a century.

However, the threat of nuclear terrorism is very real, the facts are there but America is sitting on the truth. Remember three names, Valerie Plame and Dr. David Kelly and Mordechai Vanunu. Plame was “burned” as an American spy, burned by the Bush administration. Vice President Cheney’s Chief of Staff, “Scooter” Libby (Liebowitz) was convicted of the crime but received a pardon from President Bush.

Plame wasn’t looking for “yellow cake” uranium from Niger, she was looking for lost nuclear weapons. When she got close, she was destroyed and then silenced by the Justice Department. Dr. David Kelly was a weapons scientist in Britain until his very unexpected suicide while trying to report wrongdoing tied to missing nuclear weapons, wrongdoing he attributed directly to Prime Minister Tony Blair. A secret investigation currently being conducted has ruled his death a murder and top members of government, from Blair downward are being grilled about, not only this, but missing nuclear weapons, a subject newspapers are being threatened to stay silent on daily.

Mordechai Vanunu is a nuclear weapons specialist who worked at the illegal Dimona facility in Israel. When he fled the country and alerted the world about the nuclear program there, he was kidnapped, returned to Israel and put in solitary confinement for 18 years. He has been under house arrest or in solitary confinement after his release. He is currently locked in a small cell in a secret prison in Israel for talking to someone not on his official list of contacts.

These three people and a number of people behind them hold the key to the biggest story in recent years, a massive worldwide coverup so frightening it is treated almost as though it was involved secret UFO landings. Not everyone has all the information. Some key figures are waiting for the results of the investigations going on in London now, the findings of which will be above top secret.

Stories are leaking out and some have been reported over the years, labeled “conspiracy theory” but partially accurate, at least in some of the most frightening facts, but also filled with conjecture and wrong conclusions. The same stories went to all the major news sources along with documents and reliable first hand testimony from people like, well, Dr. David Kelly, murder victim.

We know for certain that ten nuclear weapons were built in South Africa, six of which were dismantled, one tested on September 22, 1979. Of the remaining three, one was detonated in North Korea on May 25, 2009. The three weapons, at the time in possession of Great Britain, 1991, were stolen and the whereabouts of the remaining two “Hiroshima sized” nuclear weapons is unknown. We also know, for certain, that Israel informed the Bush administration that these weapons were in the possession of Saddam Hussein, information that led to the invasion of Iraq. This information was totally false. Israel then told the US, while the invasion was on, that the weapons were being moved to Syria. This was also false, proven by US detection devices. Israel has since claimed these remaining nuclear weapons are either in Iran, Syria, Lebanon or Gaza.

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:39 PM
Seems Israel is tring to start something in the Mid east. Who's to say they don't have em?

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:31 PM
Bump for a good/scary thread! S&F as well. This thread needs more attention!

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:58 PM
Info on John Bredenkamp ;

Dramatic new evidence of corruption in the arms deal is disclosed in documents used by the Scorpions to motivate for last week’s raids on premises countrywide.

The documents, seen by the Mail & Guardian, show that “commissions” paid to agents by British defence giant BAE Systems total more than £115-million -- a staggering R1,73-billion at today’s exchange rate.

They also argue BAE could not produce evidence of legitimate services by their agents which could justify the huge amounts paid to them.

The documents -- affidavits by South African and British investigators, financial statements and correspondence -- formed the basis for the Scorpions’ secret application to the Pretoria High Court to search seven premises linked to BAE and its agents last week.

They disclose:

•How the vast majority of BAE’s commission payments -- £103-million -- were “covert” and made through a secret front company;
•How the covert payments were made to a series of undisclosed agents -- including Fana Hlongwane, who served as special adviser to then defence minister Joe Modise at the time BAE was chosen as preferred bidder;
•How BAE allegedly tried to hide the extent and timing of their relationship with Hlongwane from investigators. The M&G has previously disclosed his receipt of hundreds of millions of rands as a “consultant” to BAE;
•How two highly unusual commission payments were authorised just before South Africa signed the final contracts in December 1999; and
•Details of interventions by Modise and then defence procurement boss Chippy Shaik which advantaged the BAE bid.
BAE led the successful bid, with Sweden’s Saab as junior partner, to supply BAE Hawk trainer jets and Saab Gripen jet fighters worth more than R21-billion in today’s money.

The documents detail evidence obtained by the British Serious Fraud Office (SFO), which is conducting an investigation parallel to the Scorpions.
The SFO evidence includes:

•A statement under oath by a former BAE executive about how Zimbabwean-born arms-and-tobacco baron John Bredenkamp, whose company received the largest “commission” payments from BAE, suggested to him that “key decision-makers” needed to be identified with a view to “financially incentivising” them;
•How the former executive was allegedly told that Bredenkamp’s team had boasted that “we can get to Chippy Shaik”;
•How a memo obtained from Bredenkamp’s British operations chief spoke of the “Third World procedures” required to win the South African bid.
BAE has consistently maintained it acted legally. Hlongwane has in the past failed to talk to the M&G. Bredenkamp has maintained his innocence.

The latest disclosures will add to pressure on the government to launch a full judicial inquiry into the arms deal. This week Archbishop Desmond Tutu and former president FW de Klerk added their voices to calls by Cosatu, Judge Chris Nicholson and others for an inquiry.

The government has consistently denied corruption in the main arms deal contracts. It repeatedly quoted the finding of the 2001 Joint Investigation Team (JIT) report that: “No evidence was found of any improper or unlawful conduct by the government.”

Critics dubbed the JIT report a whitewash. The Scorpions’ main affidavit in the Pretoria High Court is more diplomatic, saying “the [Scorpions] criminal investigation process is distinct from the JIT process … The JIT’s findings are not and do not purport to be findings reached by way of criminal investigation.”

Now the Scorpions believe they have a reasonable suspicion of racketeering, corruption, money laundering and fraud. The evidence gathered is compelling.

According to the Scorpions’ affidavit, the SFO investigation reveals that BAE operated a system of“overt” and “covert” advisers in its worldwide marketing efforts.

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:12 PM
Brilliant thread!

I always knew there was more to Kelly's assasination when he was about to reveal that the Iraq war was just a loda bollox.

Israel and CIA, now that's a surprise!

So lets see where this nuke goes off, which will obviously be blamed on Pakistan/Iran and a new war is on the way.

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:32 PM
por favor

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Proof of what ?

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:39 PM
Can I prove it - no.

Can you prove I am wrong - no.

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:49 PM
reply to post by leejohnbarnes

Thanks for the info again man!

I was struggling to connect the dots regarding these 'missing nukes' but now it finally makes perfect sense.

Keep up the good work.

posted on May, 15 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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We should have more threads like this!

A true international conspiracy that has several evidential leads poking out awkwardly from under the covers.

Another possibility is that they have an SADM (Strategic Atomic Demolition Munition or backpack bomb).

The story is that the US had heard of the Russians having a suitcase nuke that required nowhere near the mass of fissile material and explosives of a conventional nuke.

The material that they were using was codenamed Red Mercury (it was neither red in colour or a mercury compound). Several US millitary sources responded to press speculation at the time, saying that it was untrue and no such substance existed.

However, a substance that could be primed in a nuclear reactor and then triggered to release radiation does exist and has been extensively studied by DARPA.

It is due to its speed of release of energy and simple trigger (an X-Ray source) that makes these ultra small nukes possible.

The terrorist organisation does not require actual fissile material but if they can access a reasonably powerful reactor and have sufficient money to purchase significant amounts of Tantalum, they could have several suitcase nukes.

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