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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Teeky
You may have seen examples of air-to-air refueling operations...done either in "practice" mode.
Or for *real* (other types of ongoing training missions...).
Presumably...oh, I see your profile, you are in the USA...).
More, if you are so inclined (and have the equipment), and want to "listen in":
You see, there is a large sub-set of aviation enthusiasts and hobbyists who delight in this stuff..."playing soldier" I suppose. Of course, with ALL of those eyes paying attention, not once have any of these ordinary citizens come forward and called "chem"-trails! They laugh at the notion, I expect.....
Just an example of defined re-fueling "tracks" and "anchor" points. Areas specified as "Military Operations Areas" (MOAs) on U.S. aeronautical charts can be over residential areas, too. They may 'orbit' within those airspace boundaries.
YOU can research this, knowing your exact location, without divulging it online, to your own satisfaction.
Regardless of the country in which you reside....just do the searching online, will probably find it, if public information (usually is..).
edit on Mon 16 May 2011 by weedwhacker because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by pagan_night
reply to post by Uncinus
I'm sorry, but what a load. Sure, people's memories fade over time. But come on, a whole generations memories just naturally decieve them? And of course, their photo's just coincidently change too? Wow, talk about grasping at straws.
I apologize, I'm not trying to seem rude, but that is just so far fetched.
Originally posted by pagan_night
As far as the definition of geo-engineering, read the link. The definition is just a very small part of it.edit on 16-5-2011 by pagan_night because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Uncinus
Originally posted by SaberTruth
Wow... not only can't we believe our lyin' eyes, we can't trust our own memories
Well, no, you can't trust either. Time and time again, visual perception, and recollection have been shown to be far less accurate than people think they are. The above study shows that you can't trust your memory.
You think that your eyes are never fooled? Consider this:
Square A and square B are the same color. Yet they look like they are different colors. Your eyes have been fooled. You can't trust your eyes.
The point here is that simply using recollections as the basis for a theory is inherently flawed. Especially when those recollections are directly contradicted by other people, and even more especially when they are contradicted by physical evidence, science, films, and photos.
Originally posted by digitalreneg4de
....this makes absolutely no sense and should be considered insane.
The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.
www.bbc.co.uk... Short contrails do not produce intricate patterns.
A few months later I witnessed the Battle of Britain taking place over my head in the July, August and September 1940. Being in SE London we had a grandstand view of the titanic struggle going on day aftr day with the intricate patterns of the contrails the most evident witness to the dog fights taking place.
So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.
Photo taken by Jerry Cole, combat aerialphotographer in the 390th Bomb Group at Framlingham Air Base in England. He is looking for a print from the original negative he shot around January 1944 or before. It shows contrails of P-47's crossing each other in the background and a B-17 in the foreground.
Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as a signature of their passage.
Some contrails soon dissapate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirruse clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun.
The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
Henry Wadsworth Hinkle, hired man down on the farm with Uncle Clarence and Aunt Martha, looked skyward a few days ago and was awed by the multiplicity of "vapor trails," as he called them. That's the old name. Now they are called contrails-short for condensation trails-resulting from the condensation of heat flowing from high-flying jet engines.
Source He didn't follow jets, he followed contrails. You can't follow a short contrail.
A 43-year-old novice sailor said today that he followed jet contrails over the Atlantic to help him navigate after his sextant was smashed six days out of Pymouth, England.
Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.
Often, after several clear days, high flying jets begin leaving condensation trails in the sky. These "contrails" are the result of the condensation of water vapor that accompanies engine combustion at high altitudes.
He occasionally looked out the window at the earth and noted geographical locations. "We're coming over Europe and I've never seen so many jet plane contrails in my life," he reported
www.pitch.com... Contrails have to be around for a while to be "blown-out".
Shore was no naïf; he recognized the irony of many of his images. One of the cleverest is "U.S. 97, South of Klamath Falls, Oregon, July 21, 1973," which depicts a desolate spot of road where a billboard displays a snowcapped-mountain scene — against actual mountains in the distance. The billboard image seems to emerge from the land itself. Along with a cattle gate and a sky with blown-out contrails, the billboard is a tired and shabby advertisement for America itself.