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Is STARWARS an allegory for America?

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posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 11:04 PM
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OK I know Starwars was a movie and I am not a SF nut but consider this....

The empire was good, until it was taken over by evil
The stormtroopers were good until they were given evil orders
The stormtroopers STILL think they are good, even though they are evil...
The people of the empire think the Stormtroopers are good,


is it the future of America?




posted on Mar, 26 2003 @ 11:31 PM
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Lets hope not its the future but maybe Our luke skywalker will come save us all.



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 01:06 AM
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LoL, I'm not a SF nut either, and barely know star wars, but I know it's much deeper than that.

The Republic Falls because every one thousand years darkness returns, "The Cyth".

There were no Stormtroopers, at all....Then Chancellor Palpatine (whatever his title was), raised an army, that is the Stormtroopers. They exist only for evil.

If there was any statement behind that, it would be that a standing army is always damaging to Republics.

The Stormtroopers also do not think they are good, by any means, they don't think at all.

The Cyth lord...Palpatine, has one power above all else, and that is manipulation, through the same powers that Ben Kenobie used to force the STs to stop their questions, the Emperor thus controls ALL STs.

They are mindless clones.

Also the people of the Empire don't think. In fact, the people in general, are completely useless to the plot.

Not once do any of them ever comment on the government, Republic or Empire. They are simply extras, that don't even get involved in the movies. The Books maybe a different story.

But usually extras will be there to be extra blood and guts, casualties and the like. Not in star wars, they are simply there for the fact that if they weren't, you'd be wondering "Where are all the people?"

Really, a lot of people make starwars out to mean a LOT more than what it is, unlike LotR, which has the same problem, star wars is a lot more thin.

It has a great story, and fiction, and a good meaning, with how there was use of parallelism and fate and how the Emperor's weakness was "over confidence", but it really isn't much of an Analogy of anything, more of a creation by Lucas, from the imagination, with a few things in mind.



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 02:36 AM
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actually star wars was based some what on zorastrin. I dont think i spelled it right, but it is an old belief.



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 02:47 AM
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Ossama Bin 1 Kenobi..Hee Hee..

But seriously,I actually think the allegory does stand up.

I have no doubt that the Empire would of refered to the Rebel forces as Terrorists.But the philosophy of the Empire has not been fully established and the rest of the world has not yet realised the real danger the Empire poses and united in response.

[Edited on 27-3-2003 by John bull 1]



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 08:10 AM
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things to think about.

Those in the empire did NOT consider themselves evil. Indeed, the empire brought order to the galaxy, and ended many wars. Think back to the movies...what truly evil things do you remember the empire doing to the populace? Don't worry, I'll give you a few minutes....
Nada...zip. In the books even, the only truly evil act they perpetrated (to those besides the heroes) was slavery of certain species. If you'll remember, even Luke (in the first movie) wanted to go to the Imperial Navy Academy instead of being a farmer...


Not that I'm espousing the Empire...I am not. But I wanted to point out that it's citizens didn't feel THEY were evil...



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 08:29 AM
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Gazrok, I think you missed one huge evil thing the empire did. They blew up / distroyed Alderan. They destroyed the planet, and killed millions on inocent people. Obviously, according to the Princess (Leia), Alderanians were peaceful people and had no weapons. But Tarkan destroyed the planet (1) to show the power of his new weapon (Death Star) and (2) to extract information from her (location of secret rebel base).



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 09:56 AM
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So noted Dr. Know...I was really talking more about the empire as an entity before the movies even began...(comes from reading too many of the books), sorry about the unannounced perspective change there....



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 01:17 PM
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Ummm...how the Empire came to be was by very evil ways. You take out the only party that could put a stop to you, you can rule the galaxy. (Talking about the slaughtering of all Jedi's)



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 02:08 PM
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First we had the Old Republic, which was headed by a courrputed senate leaded by a supreme chancellor. The Senate was growing more and more corrupt every day. Then Senator Palpatine from Naboo, had the Senate kick Supreme Chancellor Valorum out of power. Then Palpatine was in charge, and slowly devopled the Empire.

After the Clone Wars, Anakin Skywalker turned to the Dark Side, and became Darth Vader and helped Ppalpatine destroy the Jedi, and then Palpatine decalred his New Order and formed the Galatic Empire.

Then the Rebel Alliance was formed, ther Empire built two Death Stars and Vader killed Palpatine.

Oh and BTW it is "Sith" not "Cyth".

The only evil thingd the Empire did was blow up Alderran, and ruled like a dictatorship. The Empire is like a religious dictatorship if you think about it. They realy don't describe the evil things the Empire did. Now the Yuuzhan Vong on the other hand, did evil things which are described in the NJO books.

The citizens did not call themselves evil, and the Clone Troopers who are the future Storm Troops were just mindless clones of Jango Fett realy.

Man I'm a Star Wars nut.



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 03:48 PM
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don't see themselves as evil either...but rather the "infidels" who use machines are...

That was my point with the Empire...the average citizen of the Empire, did not see themselves, nor their Emporer as evil....



posted on Mar, 27 2003 @ 06:35 PM
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I don't care if it is "Sith or Cyth" I like the later spelling better.


Anyways, the only thing that the Empire did that was evil, was destroy the Jedi. Nothing more.

The "evil" in the Empire is not as much in its actions though, as it is in its heart, the Empire is not ruled by restraint and compassion, but by indulgence and hate.

All other events in the series stem from that one emotion. It is the difference between "Hate, and distance". For in eastern philosophies love is never an issue, it is always "hate, or disconnection" if you become envolved with anything or anyone, you will eventually, hate.

This is seen with Luke Skywalker as he becomes more involved with the Princess, he gets closer and closer to the darkside.

But then also Luke is supposed to represent a balance. This is shown by his family connections, which almost destroys him (when he tries to kill his father), but saves him (when his father dies for him).

Really has little to do with political statements.



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