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reply posted on 14-8-2011 @ 12:20 PM by JoshNorton

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Watch the doc. Debunk it.

Not even going to waste my time. Gunderson was a liar. Bonacci was a drug addict and a convicted child molester himself… not a credible witness. In fact, I seem to recall most of the so-called-witnesses were felons.

reply posted on 14-8-2011 @ 12:25 PM by MasterGemini

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Watch the doc. Debunk it.
Not even going to waste my time. Gunderson was a liar. Bonacci was a drug addict and a convicted child molester himself… not a credible witness. In fact, I seem to recall most of the so-called-witnesses were felons.

LoL

That is all that can really be said in response to you.

I wont watch it but it is all LIES!!!! You come across like a bible thumper on a street corner.

The Franklin Scandal
www.trineday.com...

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reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 12:53 AM by King Seesar

I tend to agree with gabby2011 and MasterGemini more so then Skyfloating, i mean a group does exist and sure it might not be from the original roots off the Bavarian Illuminati and if it was it's evolved or i should say devolved into something totally not related to the founders concept, that's why i prefer to call this group TPTB rather then the Illuminati or new Illuminati but if others call them that i have no problem with it because i understand what they mean.

But sure in my opinion there's a sort of organized chaotic group made up of corrupted people who scratch each others back when need be, such as special interest groups who help fund black op programs who infiltrate groups they feel could be dissidents/problems to the powers that be and so and so on, so sure the dots may not connect exactly like some of the experts in the field explain because the whole thing is so complicated, but they get some of there facts pretty straight.

As far as MK-Ultra gos if you think the government just dropped the concept of mind control then i have a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge i want to sell you, when MK-Ultra was exposed they just quit that program and expanded it into other areas and projects and of course they don't use the same exact MK-Ultra mind control techniques they used in the 1960's it's many years later and through the trial and error of MK-Ultra they learned more advanced ways to imploy the concept of mind control.

Where i do agree with Skyfloating is what he explains as essentially problem reaction solution in terms of the tactics people use to damage some ones or some goups reputation the irony in all of it is the very same people Skyfloating denies exist uses this tactic often.

As far as the Lawrence King pedophilia ring gos anyone who denies this happened is wrong i mean it's a proven fact it happened, it's like saying the moon isn't round it is and it happened, now whether or not you want to connect this to a bigger plot is up to you, i have my opinion on it and others will have there's, in the end i guess it just comes down to the eye of the beholder.

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reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 09:57 AM by CIAGypsy

reply to post by King Seesar

My point is that there is no denying pedophilia exists. Even pedophilia rings. However, I do not believe it is some organized conspiracy perpetrated at the highest levels of society. Every person I've ever seen convicted of these crimes is a low-life scum with ties to the criminal world or some other type of shady character. There is plenty of evidence that these people exist. But little that the echelon of upper society is involved. Of course, I'm sure the CTs will say that's because money seems to make that "evidence" disappear and I say bullshizzle. I know the world you are talking about. I see how cutthroat it is. People always want to be "king of the mountain" and top whomever is up there. If they had evidence to bring down their rivals, they would. That's not to say that there isn't a wealthy individual here or there who is a pedophile. Statistically speaking, that's a great possibility and I'm sure we could easily dig and find evidence of one. However....that's a far cry from saying the alleged "elite" are sacrificing children in the catacombs of the Vatican.

reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 12:37 PM by gabby2011

Every person I've ever seen convicted of these crimes is a low-life scum with ties to the criminal world or some other type of shady character.

reply to post by CIAGypsy

Maybe that is because the ones in higher positions of authority are well protected from conviction?

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

I know you don't believe Cathy Obrians story .... but she has some interesting revelations about child porn and who is involved.

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reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 01:10 PM by King Seesar

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I'm not gonna sit here and say everyone who has money or is lumped in with the quote un quote "ellite" because they have money is a pedaophile, that would be wrong of me because it's simply not true and by doing so i fall right in there hands as a puppet spewing problem reaction solution and i'm discrediting some good people in doing so, i wont be used like that.

But what i'm saying is there are dots to connect and pedaophiles who are connected with power will use there clout to get what they want it's the reason human trafficking is now a house hold name because foreigners with wealth will use there power to human traffic people and they have there contacts in doing so with this group i'm talking about, in another words when you connect the dots the right way you will see a corrupt system that includeds many powerful people and they might not connect right to each other but they eventually connect and thus you have TPTB.....

Also gabby2011 brings up a good point in that these powerful people like Arab Sheiks and Catholic priests have protection from powerful people and that's why we don't hear the details of it to much but we all know it gos on.

reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 03:37 PM by network dude

reply to post by King Seesar

I think it's safe to say that any of this is possible, most of it is highly unlikely, and trying to find the middle ground will be near impossible. What bothers me is when people go at it with the assumption that they are guilty first, then have a very hard time being convinced of someone's innocence. Like the witch trials. If we go with the "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" mentality, where does it stop?

I vote for critical thinking and understanding human emotions. When a kid gets hurt, we need someone to punish sooner rather than later. Just make sure it's the right guy or group.

reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 03:39 PM by JoshNorton

Originally posted by King Seesar
it's the reason human trafficking is now a house hold name

There's been "human trafficking" almost as long as there have been humans. Slavery is nothing new—it existed a few thousand years ago, and it's still around today in some places.

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reply posted on 17-8-2011 @ 11:59 PM by King Seesar

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True slavery is nothing new but when most of the people in the past think of slavery they think of people being forced to work with no human rights but when people think of the term human trafficking it is often associated with very disturbing sexual notions and that's the difference essentially.

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 12:07 AM by King Seesar

reply to post by network dude

I think critical thinking is the key to finding the middle ground, but your basic sentiment is 100 percent true TPTB often place false blame on people who they find a threat and unfortunately just like you said often people are presumed guilty before innocent and it's flat out wrong when waying in the pure quantum physics of what we call logic....

So in a sense some people who claim to be fighting TPTB end up doing the very same thing they have a problem with them doing and it falls right into there plan.

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 10:33 AM by CIAGypsy

Originally posted by King Seesar
reply to post by JoshNorton

True slavery is nothing new but when most of the people in the past think of slavery they think of people being forced to work with no human rights but when people think of the term human trafficking it is often associated with very disturbing sexual notions and that's the difference essentially.

People who are trafficked also have no human rights. They are "true" slaves in the same sense of the word as it has been used throughout history. And people are trafficked for more than just the sex trade, now and throughout history. "Slavery" as it has been known throughout history has NEVER stopped. That was Josh's point (whether it is in regards to sex trade or not). I think what YOU are getting at is that you feel most of society today has always assumed it had stopped.

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 12:05 PM by milkyway12

I promise you with all due haste.... if this woman was Illuminati ... she would have died hours after her escape if not minutes.

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 11:39 PM by King Seesar

reply to post by CIAGypsy

Not really so much as stopped, sure i think some people think it has stopped but my point was the word slavery and human trafficking hold very different notions to the main stream of peoples conscience, for example if the commen person heard the word slavery they would link it to that of being forced to work and paid no money and have no civil rights and when they hear the word human trafficking sex slaves and such comes to there mind.

Sure when you break it down they are the same thing but society as a whole takes the words to mean different notions in my opinion.

reply posted on 19-8-2011 @ 10:52 AM by CIAGypsy

reply to post by King Seesar

Right...we are saying the same thing. I don't doubt that society looks at the two terms differently.