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It's official, GOD was a space alien, and NOT our real creator

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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by gabby2011
If you say God was really a space alien,then that space alien isn't really God.

Did the space alien create the universe?



The Bible Is A Forgery, page 26

www.abovetopsecret.com...

NSG52 Replyed
this is what my thoughts are I just have a deep feeling that there is or was de-rived plan for a higher Intellinet
people who moved here to the earth to build an multiply.

So why is that so out of the ordinary ? what because I choose not to believe in the Christian doctrine way .. I am and others are freaks .. because people have different views ..

heres another view I posted ..

I seriously think they could come out with a Bible lll and in it ...it would tell of how & all that existed before man Were these spiritual entities they called ET's who played a big part in the future construction of the universes.

How they were taught how to build space ships ,, and of the grand plan to start place called earth .. that it would be meant for all to share in love peace an harmony with no wars and no worries about greed it would be a diverse place with plenty of bounty to share ..

Everything went well as planed but then there was a need for control by a chosen few and no matter what it would take to gain control that didn’t matter even if ya had to lie .. so they conjured up all the lies and mixed in some truth so that it would be easier to follow and easier to deceive the people

Then one day the people stood up and saw how they were lied to and that they weren’t going to be forced to one controlling religion by anyone so they set off to a new land and called it America

So here is why they should point it out to all ... that there is no one religion of the world ..the world is ours to enjoy and each an every one of us can have our own faith in our own very special way




posted on May, 23 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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Well I guess your entitled to your opinion but I must say this.... it's to hard for me to dismiss so easiely with the DNA being the last thing I looked at and Zecaria sitchins work as well.

I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to dismiss a lie, regardless of how attractive it is, even when it's been shown to be a lie. When you make that lie one of the foundations for your assertions, it automatically calls into questions the means by which you arrived at them.


Its so odd how everything points in the same direction, and while your calling them fraudsters and fairytales, they are all from different times on this earth all with different findings and different directions, yet parts of of their and from what I can tell so far, the bible is right on.

Sitchin, von Däniken, and Pye are all from essentially the same time. All of their work is essentially based on a very loose interpretation of the Bible that substitutes "aliens" for "God". You're trying to act like these are all somehow independent pieces of evidence when three of them are based on the fourth. It doesn't take an enormous amount of critical thinking skill to understand why they all "point in the same direction".


Of course if choose to not understand it, it becomes frustrating.
I myself don't believe in magic or the unexplainable.
I think my findings speak for itself.

Except they don't and I've clearly explained why.


I don't think the bible was meant to be a fairy tale. However I will agree that how it is accepted and viewed by most today, that is a dead on analogy.
I have gone as deep as explaining why people look at it as such, but again, without an open mind, you would never get it.
I"m sorry I couldn't post all of my links on here, I have over three decades of study into the paranormal.

Until you can show objectively (i.e. not via interpretation) how the events depicted in the Bible are factually accurate, all interpretations carry the same weight of evidence. And your research is worthless unless you're willing to present it in a way that it can be scrutinized and peer-reviewed. I've seen you claim that you've been investigating this for 30 years. It's time for you to put up or shut up.


It appears you have chosen to believe in nothing, and that is your choice.
I see things from a different angle, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Out of all the possibilities we have come up with, evolution came in last IMO.

Again with the strawman attack… I should send you a book on logical fallacies. I believe in plenty of things, just not the wild speculation you're engaging in based on a book of fairy tales, three fraudsters, and assertions that are scientifically and factually incorrect. Evolution doesn't care what your opinion is - it has the overwhelming weight of evidence behind it. Real, objective, observable, testable, factual evidence. The fact that you choose to ignore it in favor of things that have been shown to be lies is astonishing.


I think its also important to note that your just aren't claiming our bible is fake, but that all and all religions.
It's a pretty bold statement, I would trust you have something to support your belief other than you not feeling jesus in your heart.

Again, your reasoning is backwards - I don't have to prove all religions wrong. It is up to adherents to those religions to provide evidence that they are factually correct. None have.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by NorthStargal52

Originally posted by gabby2011
If you say God was really a space alien,then that space alien isn't really God.

Did the space alien create the universe?



The Bible Is A Forgery, page 26

www.abovetopsecret.com...

NSG52 Replyed
this is what my thoughts are I just have a deep feeling that there is or was de-rived plan for a higher Intellinet
people who moved here to the earth to build an multiply.

So why is that so out of the ordinary ? what because I choose not to believe in the Christian doctrine way .. I am and others are freaks .. because people have different views ..

heres another view I posted ..

I seriously think they could come out with a Bible lll and in it ...it would tell of how & all that existed before man Were these spiritual entities they called ET's who played a big part in the future construction of the universes.

How they were taught how to build space ships ,, and of the grand plan to start place called earth .. that it would be meant for all to share in love peace an harmony with no wars and no worries about greed it would be a diverse place with plenty of bounty to share ..

Everything went well as planed but then there was a need for control by a chosen few and no matter what it would take to gain control that didn’t matter even if ya had to lie .. so they conjured up all the lies and mixed in some truth so that it would be easier to follow and easier to deceive the people

Then one day the people stood up and saw how they were lied to and that they weren’t going to be forced to one controlling religion by anyone so they set off to a new land and called it America

So here is why they should point it out to all ... that there is no one religion of the world ..the world is ours to enjoy and each an every one of us can have our own faith in our own very special way


I would believe more that it's seen that way, simply because it was misunderstood.
The problem is at what point did the understanding get lost, and why.
Is translation part of. Did mass death and language barriers hinder us from retaining the understanding.

With every look into the bible, paged by choice or random, there is an obvious understanding looking at it from my perspective.
I think when some people read my idea that god was a space alien they might take an immediate stand off position because it does in fact sound absurd, and just a little to easy to claim

The alien stole my homework does not fit into the day to day understanding of what could apply.
In effect, there are very profound elements that had to be present in order for it to have happened in the bible, even with my corrections in the misunderstandings.

I'm honestly not able to find a shred of evidence to even suggest I'm on the wrong path.
The thing that people don't understand is that in my 3 decades of paranormal study, it's not like its just fits so I'm going with it.
There are supporting findings that support every aspect of my findings all the way down to the beginning of life it's self.

When someone questions my findings they are questioning quantum collaboration.
You see what happened in the bible really happened, and some if not most of it can actually be explained by science, technology and medical available today.
The only problem was how did they have all that back then. It's whats kept us from understanding what was done to us. It's a no wonder we are unsure where we came from and unsure who our creator is.

In the natural creation process, our relatives on the home planet either know who or what the creator is or at least have some foundation of it. We have nothing.

I don't want people to think I used a quick draw to accuse aliens. Honestly how many things do we know about aliens? Not that much, possibly 25 things and at best, those are only claims, with little to no supporting evidence.
Is it possible they take precautions to avoid us knowing? In my findings, its obvious they do. Like a thief in the night, they can steal your memory and anything else they want and there is nothing you can do about it.

I used a high degree of scrutiny when accepting this direction. It got to a point where it was more than obvious. The MO is to damning. The powers we know of are what would have been used. There are simply no unknown reasons, or unexplainable circumstances. We were abducted.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by iterationzero
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Well I guess your entitled to your opinion but I must say this.... it's to hard for me to dismiss so easiely with the DNA being the last thing I looked at and Zecaria sitchins work as well.

I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to dismiss a lie, regardless of how attractive it is, even when it's been shown to be a lie. When you make that lie one of the foundations for your assertions, it automatically calls into questions the means by which you arrived at them.

Well what exactly are you calling the lie? The DNA? The bible? Pye's work? Eric's work? My assertions from my 3 decades of paranormal study? Or the fact that they all proved points in my findings?


Its so odd how everything points in the same direction, and while your calling them fraudsters and fairytales, they are all from different times on this earth all with different findings and different directions, yet parts of of their and from what I can tell so far, the bible is right on.

Sitchin, von Däniken, and Pye are all from essentially the same time. All of their work is essentially based on a very loose interpretation of the Bible that substitutes "aliens" for "God". You're trying to act like these are all somehow independent pieces of evidence when three of them are based on the fourth. It doesn't take an enormous amount of critical thinking skill to understand why they all "point in the same direction".

Well I honestly didn't know they did in full detail until now, but thanks for confirming it.


Of course if choose to not understand it, it becomes frustrating.
I myself don't believe in magic or the unexplainable.
I think my findings speak for itself.

Except they don't and I've clearly explained why.


I don't think the bible was meant to be a fairy tale. However I will agree that how it is accepted and viewed by most today, that is a dead on analogy.
I have gone as deep as explaining why people look at it as such, but again, without an open mind, you would never get it.
I"m sorry I couldn't post all of my links on here, I have over three decades of study into the paranormal.

Until you can show objectively (i.e. not via interpretation) how the events depicted in the Bible are factually accurate, all interpretations carry the same weight of evidence. And your research is worthless unless you're willing to present it in a way that it can be scrutinized and peer-reviewed. I've seen you claim that you've been investigating this for 30 years. It's time for you to put up or shut up.

Np, google ufos / aliens / abductions / real footage / and watch as many videos as you can, read as many books as you can. Then make your claim.


It appears you have chosen to believe in nothing, and that is your choice.
I see things from a different angle, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Out of all the possibilities we have come up with, evolution came in last IMO.

Again with the strawman attack… I should send you a book on logical fallacies. I believe in plenty of things, just not the wild speculation you're engaging in based on a book of fairy tales, three fraudsters, and assertions that are scientifically and factually incorrect. Evolution doesn't care what your opinion is - it has the overwhelming weight of evidence behind it. Real, objective, observable, testable, factual evidence. The fact that you choose to ignore it in favor of things that have been shown to be lies is astonishing.

Where is the proof of us transcending from primates? Where is proof that explains why we lost our hair and started wearing clothing? Why didn't they all evolve? Why did the mid stages disappear and leave no trace? Assuming we did evolve, how come primates are so much better off in so many ways than humans?
Please pull your head out on this. Your trying to tell me we went from swinging on trees to isolating ourselves in buildings with heat and AC because we could no longer endure the natural elements. We didn't evolve, it looks more like we de evolved. Just look at the medical issues we are all face with on a day to day basis, I would even venture your on medication or have been like most others have. How much medication is primates on? I'm sorry its the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And if you think the elements are fine in certain parts of the world you are correct but your also saying we were only suppose to live there. Another words we weren't suppose to grow.
It's not our planet, get it?


I think its also important to note that your just aren't claiming our bible is fake, but that all and all religions.
It's a pretty bold statement, I would trust you have something to support your belief other than you not feeling jesus in your heart.

Again, your reasoning is backwards - I don't have to prove all religions wrong. It is up to adherents to those religions to provide evidence that they are factually correct. None have.


Agreed, only based on the fact that it has been taken out of context.
edit on 24-5-2011 by itsthetooth because: added



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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I still have a hard time understanding what you mean by "the person pretending to be our creator". What person? Also, how is life possible without a creator? Never has life been created from lifeless matter. Life only springs from pre-existing life. You don't seem to take into account mind. Mind is bestowed, it is not inherient in life.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Simplynoone
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Dear dude thats EXACTLY what they WANT you to believe ....same as here on earth with the right verses left (Politics) for many years everyone believed they were total opposites fighting against eachother when in reality they were all ONE AND THE SAME with ONE AND THE SAME AGENDAS their plan worked a whole lot better when they kept everyone thinking they were TOTAL OPPOSITES warring against eachother .......just like the evil entities (fallen angels who are now claiming to be gods or aliens or creators of mankind or whatever they are coming again to spare mankind from the evil warlords of earth (which THEY ARE THE SAME peoples as these so called two races of Aliens) .......................satan isnt in heaven he was cast to this earth before the garden and was CURSED to crawl around here on earth because he caused Adam and Eve to fall ...(he has no REAL power so he uses trickery (inventions and sorcery) to make the world think he is an angel from heaven (Channelors and the supposed coming of Aliens soon) .................The REAL LORD JESUS CHRIST says he is coming AFTER THESE FALLEN ONES DO THEIR DECEPTIONS (because it is written and mankind needs to learn some SERIOUS LESSONS from this >.so dont be fooled ........the real GOD is still COMING SOON >>>>..

I noe that, i noe he's coming soon, but all these theories tell me otherwise, everywere i go to look for answers, to find a way to prove that aliens are not really, but there is so much evidence it's truly impossible for me to say that their is no other being in this universe because it's just a lie, I noe god exist and i noe there is a heaven, but
simply, the bible was written in riddles so the bible can mean anything basically





posted on May, 24 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth

Originally posted by iterationzero
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Well I guess your entitled to your opinion but I must say this.... it's to hard for me to dismiss so easiely with the DNA being the last thing I looked at and Zecaria sitchins work as well.

I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to dismiss a lie, regardless of how attractive it is, even when it's been shown to be a lie. When you make that lie one of the foundations for your assertions, it automatically calls into questions the means by which you arrived at them.

Well what exactly are you calling the lie? The DNA? The bible? Pye's work? Eric's work? My assertions from my 3 decades of paranormal study? Or the fact that they all proved points in my findings?


Its so odd how everything points in the same direction, and while your calling them fraudsters and fairytales, they are all from different times on this earth all with different findings and different directions, yet parts of of their and from what I can tell so far, the bible is right on.

Sitchin, von Däniken, and Pye are all from essentially the same time. All of their work is essentially based on a very loose interpretation of the Bible that substitutes "aliens" for "God". You're trying to act like these are all somehow independent pieces of evidence when three of them are based on the fourth. It doesn't take an enormous amount of critical thinking skill to understand why they all "point in the same direction".

Well I honestly didn't know they did in full detail until now, but thanks for confirming it.


Of course if choose to not understand it, it becomes frustrating.
I myself don't believe in magic or the unexplainable.
I think my findings speak for itself.

Except they don't and I've clearly explained why.


I don't think the bible was meant to be a fairy tale. However I will agree that how it is accepted and viewed by most today, that is a dead on analogy.
I have gone as deep as explaining why people look at it as such, but again, without an open mind, you would never get it.
I"m sorry I couldn't post all of my links on here, I have over three decades of study into the paranormal.

Until you can show objectively (i.e. not via interpretation) how the events depicted in the Bible are factually accurate, all interpretations carry the same weight of evidence. And your research is worthless unless you're willing to present it in a way that it can be scrutinized and peer-reviewed. I've seen you claim that you've been investigating this for 30 years. It's time for you to put up or shut up.

Np, google ufos / aliens / abductions / real footage / and watch as many videos as you can, read as many books as you can. Then make your claim.


It appears you have chosen to believe in nothing, and that is your choice.
I see things from a different angle, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Out of all the possibilities we have come up with, evolution came in last IMO.

Again with the strawman attack… I should send you a book on logical fallacies. I believe in plenty of things, just not the wild speculation you're engaging in based on a book of fairy tales, three fraudsters, and assertions that are scientifically and factually incorrect. Evolution doesn't care what your opinion is - it has the overwhelming weight of evidence behind it. Real, objective, observable, testable, factual evidence. The fact that you choose to ignore it in favor of things that have been shown to be lies is astonishing.

Where is the proof of us transcending from primates? Where is proof that explains why we lost our hair and started wearing clothing? Why didn't they all evolve? Why did the mid stages disappear and leave no trace? Assuming we did evolve, how come primates are so much better off in so many ways than humans?
Please pull your head out on this. Your trying to tell me we went from swinging on trees to isolating ourselves in buildings with heat and AC because we could no longer endure the natural elements. We didn't evolve, it looks more like we de evolved. Just look at the medical issues we are all face with on a day to day basis, I would even venture your on medication or have been like most others have. How much medication is primates on? I'm sorry its the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And if you think the elements are fine in certain parts of the world you are correct but your also saying we were only suppose to live there. Another words we weren't suppose to grow.
It's not our planet, get it?


I think its also important to note that your just aren't claiming our bible is fake, but that all and all religions.
It's a pretty bold statement, I would trust you have something to support your belief other than you not feeling jesus in your heart.

Again, your reasoning is backwards - I don't have to prove all religions wrong. It is up to adherents to those religions to provide evidence that they are factually correct. None have.


Agreed, only based on the fact that it has been taken out of context.
edit on 24-5-2011 by itsthetooth because: added


I hate to agree with iterationzero but in away he's right, you can't take the bible literally, you got to remember that the bible was written in riddles and also the vetican have tons of bible pages that they still have hidden deep in that place, so you got to consider that you maybe wrong about this theory, it may seem like your right but it's unlikely, although for the past few days iv'e talked about this subject with pastors and they agreed that heaven might actually be a planet, so your right on that topic



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Well what exactly are you calling the lie?

I was specifically referring to the part I quoted relating to your reliance on the works of Sitchin, but I've been extremely clear over the last several posts and pointed to exactly where each of your sources is lacking…


The DNA?

No, the fact that a portion of our DNA is unique is not a lie. Any assertion that, because we don't know how it evolved, aliens manipulated our DNA is, at best, completely unfounded speculation. You can't even provide objective evidence that aliens exist, so how can something that doesn't objectively exist have the ability to manipulate our DNA? Simple, it can't.


The bible?

I don't view the Bible as any more of a lie than I would a compilation of stories by the Brothers Grimm or Aesop's fables. I think it's a book of fairy tales with morals to give instructions to desert dwellers on how to maintain a safe and sanitary civilization and to provide a moral compass. It's a work of fiction that, unfortunately, has been taken as literal truth.


Pye's work?

Yes, Lloyd Pye's conclusions are based on distortions of evidence and, in some cases, willful lies. For example, his claims that spina bifida can't be hereditary has been proven wrong. His claims that we only use 10% of our brains is completely unfounded and he refuses to explain how he quantifies it. He asserts that chromosome fusion can't take place in nature, even after an inordinate number of examples are provided. And his understanding of chemistry is pretty woeful. Lloyd Pye is a fraud.


Eric's work?

Yes, I pointed out where von Däniken has fabricated information and lied about sources of information in his work in an earlier post. Eric von Däniken is a fraud.


My assertions from my 3 decades of paranormal study?

No, your assertions aren't lies, but you're using a literal interpretation of allegory and scientific falsehoods as evidence of your assertions. I think you need a better grasp on the scientific method in general and the specific sciences that you're trying to use as evidence. If you did, it would quickly become obvious that the conclusions of the "scientists" you use as evidence don't stand up to the levels of scrutiny that are required by science and that the Bible is a very poor source for factual information.


Or the fact that they all proved points in my findings?

You don't seem to understand the difference between supporting evidence and proof. You're essentially saying here that an assertion corroborated by a lie must be true because it has been corroborated. Do you not see how that isn't true?


Well I honestly didn't know they did in full detail until now, but thanks for confirming it.

If you have four pieces of evidence, A, B, C, and D, and B, C, and D are drawn from A, then you really only have one piece of independent evidence.


Np, google ufos / aliens / abductions / real footage / and watch as many videos as you can, read as many books as you can. Then make your claim.

That isn't your research. Again, you claim to have been researching this for 30 years. Post your research so it can be scrutinized and reviewed.


Where is the proof of us transcending from primates?

You mean besides the genetic, archeological, and paleontological evidence?


Where is proof that explains why we lost our hair and started wearing clothing?

You're conflating the concepts of evidence and explanation, which are pretty fundamental to understanding science. Since you’re interested, there are a few hypotheses for why we lost our body hair. The first is that we lost it as we began to habitate in more coastal areas; fur is a bad insulator in an aquatic environment and acts as a drag when swimming. The second is that we lost it to better regulate our body temperatures in a savannah environment; living in trees in a forest is a cool environment, a hominid walking around in the sun would overheat. The third is that it reduces prevalence of ectoparasites; parasites are not only annoying, but they carry diseases that can cause chronic medical problems or death. And it’s possible, even likely, that it was a combination of all three.


Why didn't they all evolve?

They did. Every species on Earth evolved from something and is evolving to something. Evolution isn’t an endpoint with some kind of absolute scale of what’s best. Evolution is a result of environmental pressures acting on genetic mutations.


Why did the mid stages disappear and leave no trace?

If you’re asking about “the missing link”, keep in mind that the colloquial concept of a missing link is a fallacy akin to Zeno’s Paradox and based on the ides of evolution creating a chain of species. What common ancestry creates is a family tree with branches where species diverge, not a linear progression from one to the next. What you really want to know about are transitional species, and we actually have an embarrassing amount of evidence of transitional species. So many that we’ve actually had to reassess which species lived in parallel with each other, which fits the “tree” model of common ancestry but not the linear chain model that people tend to view evolution as producing. And keep in mind that fossil evidence is only one part of the overwhelming evidence for evolution. We can observe evolution occurring today and, even if the entire fossil record were to disappear, we still would have more than enough genetic evidence for evolution for it to be the dominant theory for explaining biodiversity.


Assuming we did evolve, how come primates are so much better off in so many ways than humans?

Such as?


Please pull your head out on this. Your trying to tell me we went from swinging on trees to isolating ourselves in buildings with heat and AC because we could no longer endure the natural elements.

You’re getting it backwards – we didn’t move out of our environment because we couldn’t continue living there, our evolution allowed us to move into climates that aren’t hospitable to primates. What other species of primate lives in essentially every climate on Earth? Hell, what other species of mammal lives in essentially climate on Earth?


We didn't evolve, it looks more like we de evolved. Just look at the medical issues we are all face with on a day to day basis, I would even venture your on medication or have been like most others have.

This is an argument from personal incredulity with absolutely zero credible evidence to support it. Other species experience the same medical issues that we do, they just let the weak ones die.


How much medication is primates on? I'm sorry its the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And if you think the elements are fine in certain parts of the world you are correct but your also saying we were only suppose to live there. Another words we weren't suppose to grow.
It's not our planet, get it?

What’s the life expectancy of a chimpanzee? In captivity, it’s about 60 years. In the wild, it’s barely more than half that. Our taking medications isn’t an evolutionary issue, it’s a societal one. We do it to artificially prolong our lives and improve the perception of our quality of life.

It is our planet, get over it.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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The majority have worshipped finite things such as a man woman alien and animal gods their sun/star and other stars, black holes, planets and moons and even horrible symbols of human sacrifice (the christian cross) etc etc and indeed all these are reflections of a "Source".

Some have claimed to be able to look beyond the material GODS and tune in to the "Source" yet this "Source" might simply be a program on a hard drive in a computer so powerful to be beyond their ability to comprehend yet they do have some very limited "senses" so that is what they use to "make sense" of this their "reality".

The infinite creator of everything and all, that which is everything and nothing at once which includes all the manwomangods, all the stars, all the planets and all their moons, everything finite...... If "It" exists and I believe that it does and If "It" thinks and I believe it does not.........could be the controller of the "Source" and even the infinite everything and no thing at once.... might wonder where it came from and be on a search for its creator or its origin yet since I can conceive of a "force" that is so perfect it does not need to think, it simply "does" or "is" rather and in being.....worlds simply "are"..... then I do not have this problem and thus no need to justify or defend "It"


"What is it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah...

What is it? Is it?
Yeah, Yeah, yeah....."

oops...wrong song.... try this one...



"I know the feeling
It is the real thing"

Yeah......that's the ticket



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Using the theme from the movie "the day the earth stood still" I simply had to ask...

"Your planet?"



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by UB2120
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I still have a hard time understanding what you mean by "the person pretending to be our creator". What person? Also, how is life possible without a creator? Never has life been created from lifeless matter. Life only springs from pre-existing life. You don't seem to take into account mind. Mind is bestowed, it is not inherient in life.


The guy we assumed was our creator, was not. I think its highly possible there is a creator but its not the one we have thought of.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by thecrazydude11

Originally posted by itsthetooth

Originally posted by iterationzero
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Well I guess your entitled to your opinion but I must say this.... it's to hard for me to dismiss so easiely with the DNA being the last thing I looked at and Zecaria sitchins work as well.

I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to dismiss a lie, regardless of how attractive it is, even when it's been shown to be a lie. When you make that lie one of the foundations for your assertions, it automatically calls into questions the means by which you arrived at them.

Well what exactly are you calling the lie? The DNA? The bible? Pye's work? Eric's work? My assertions from my 3 decades of paranormal study? Or the fact that they all proved points in my findings?


Its so odd how everything points in the same direction, and while your calling them fraudsters and fairytales, they are all from different times on this earth all with different findings and different directions, yet parts of of their and from what I can tell so far, the bible is right on.

Sitchin, von Däniken, and Pye are all from essentially the same time. All of their work is essentially based on a very loose interpretation of the Bible that substitutes "aliens" for "God". You're trying to act like these are all somehow independent pieces of evidence when three of them are based on the fourth. It doesn't take an enormous amount of critical thinking skill to understand why they all "point in the same direction".

Well I honestly didn't know they did in full detail until now, but thanks for confirming it.


Of course if choose to not understand it, it becomes frustrating.
I myself don't believe in magic or the unexplainable.
I think my findings speak for itself.

Except they don't and I've clearly explained why.


I don't think the bible was meant to be a fairy tale. However I will agree that how it is accepted and viewed by most today, that is a dead on analogy.
I have gone as deep as explaining why people look at it as such, but again, without an open mind, you would never get it.
I"m sorry I couldn't post all of my links on here, I have over three decades of study into the paranormal.

Until you can show objectively (i.e. not via interpretation) how the events depicted in the Bible are factually accurate, all interpretations carry the same weight of evidence. And your research is worthless unless you're willing to present it in a way that it can be scrutinized and peer-reviewed. I've seen you claim that you've been investigating this for 30 years. It's time for you to put up or shut up.

Np, google ufos / aliens / abductions / real footage / and watch as many videos as you can, read as many books as you can. Then make your claim.


It appears you have chosen to believe in nothing, and that is your choice.
I see things from a different angle, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Out of all the possibilities we have come up with, evolution came in last IMO.

Again with the strawman attack… I should send you a book on logical fallacies. I believe in plenty of things, just not the wild speculation you're engaging in based on a book of fairy tales, three fraudsters, and assertions that are scientifically and factually incorrect. Evolution doesn't care what your opinion is - it has the overwhelming weight of evidence behind it. Real, objective, observable, testable, factual evidence. The fact that you choose to ignore it in favor of things that have been shown to be lies is astonishing.

Where is the proof of us transcending from primates? Where is proof that explains why we lost our hair and started wearing clothing? Why didn't they all evolve? Why did the mid stages disappear and leave no trace? Assuming we did evolve, how come primates are so much better off in so many ways than humans?
Please pull your head out on this. Your trying to tell me we went from swinging on trees to isolating ourselves in buildings with heat and AC because we could no longer endure the natural elements. We didn't evolve, it looks more like we de evolved. Just look at the medical issues we are all face with on a day to day basis, I would even venture your on medication or have been like most others have. How much medication is primates on? I'm sorry its the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And if you think the elements are fine in certain parts of the world you are correct but your also saying we were only suppose to live there. Another words we weren't suppose to grow.
It's not our planet, get it?


I think its also important to note that your just aren't claiming our bible is fake, but that all and all religions.
It's a pretty bold statement, I would trust you have something to support your belief other than you not feeling jesus in your heart.

Again, your reasoning is backwards - I don't have to prove all religions wrong. It is up to adherents to those religions to provide evidence that they are factually correct. None have.


Agreed, only based on the fact that it has been taken out of context.
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I hate to agree with iterationzero but in away he's right, you can't take the bible literally, you got to remember that the bible was written in riddles and also the vetican have tons of bible pages that they still have hidden deep in that place, so you got to consider that you maybe wrong about this theory, it may seem like your right but it's unlikely, although for the past few days iv'e talked about this subject with pastors and they agreed that heaven might actually be a planet, so your right on that topic


It's not so much a riddle in my perspective.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth

Originally posted by iterationzero
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Well I guess your entitled to your opinion but I must say this.... it's to hard for me to dismiss so easiely with the DNA being the last thing I looked at and Zecaria sitchins work as well.

I'm sorry that you don't have the ability to dismiss a lie, regardless of how attractive it is, even when it's been shown to be a lie. When you make that lie one of the foundations for your assertions, it automatically calls into questions the means by which you arrived at them.

Well what exactly are you calling the lie? The DNA? The bible? Pye's work? Eric's work? My assertions from my 3 decades of paranormal study? Or the fact that they all proved points in my findings?


Its so odd how everything points in the same direction, and while your calling them fraudsters and fairytales, they are all from different times on this earth all with different findings and different directions, yet parts of of their and from what I can tell so far, the bible is right on.

Sitchin, von Däniken, and Pye are all from essentially the same time. All of their work is essentially based on a very loose interpretation of the Bible that substitutes "aliens" for "God". You're trying to act like these are all somehow independent pieces of evidence when three of them are based on the fourth. It doesn't take an enormous amount of critical thinking skill to understand why they all "point in the same direction".

Well I honestly didn't know they did in full detail until now, but thanks for confirming it.


Of course if choose to not understand it, it becomes frustrating.
I myself don't believe in magic or the unexplainable.
I think my findings speak for itself.

Except they don't and I've clearly explained why.


I don't think the bible was meant to be a fairy tale. However I will agree that how it is accepted and viewed by most today, that is a dead on analogy.
I have gone as deep as explaining why people look at it as such, but again, without an open mind, you would never get it.
I"m sorry I couldn't post all of my links on here, I have over three decades of study into the paranormal.

Until you can show objectively (i.e. not via interpretation) how the events depicted in the Bible are factually accurate, all interpretations carry the same weight of evidence. And your research is worthless unless you're willing to present it in a way that it can be scrutinized and peer-reviewed. I've seen you claim that you've been investigating this for 30 years. It's time for you to put up or shut up.

Np, google ufos / aliens / abductions / real footage / and watch as many videos as you can, read as many books as you can. Then make your claim.


It appears you have chosen to believe in nothing, and that is your choice.
I see things from a different angle, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Out of all the possibilities we have come up with, evolution came in last IMO.

Again with the strawman attack… I should send you a book on logical fallacies. I believe in plenty of things, just not the wild speculation you're engaging in based on a book of fairy tales, three fraudsters, and assertions that are scientifically and factually incorrect. Evolution doesn't care what your opinion is - it has the overwhelming weight of evidence behind it. Real, objective, observable, testable, factual evidence. The fact that you choose to ignore it in favor of things that have been shown to be lies is astonishing.

Where is the proof of us transcending from primates? Where is proof that explains why we lost our hair and started wearing clothing? Why didn't they all evolve? Why did the mid stages disappear and leave no trace? Assuming we did evolve, how come primates are so much better off in so many ways than humans?
Please pull your head out on this. Your trying to tell me we went from swinging on trees to isolating ourselves in buildings with heat and AC because we could no longer endure the natural elements. We didn't evolve, it looks more like we de evolved. Just look at the medical issues we are all face with on a day to day basis, I would even venture your on medication or have been like most others have. How much medication is primates on? I'm sorry its the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And if you think the elements are fine in certain parts of the world you are correct but your also saying we were only suppose to live there. Another words we weren't suppose to grow.
It's not our planet, get it?


I think its also important to note that your just aren't claiming our bible is fake, but that all and all religions.
It's a pretty bold statement, I would trust you have something to support your belief other than you not feeling jesus in your heart.

Again, your reasoning is backwards - I don't have to prove all religions wrong. It is up to adherents to those religions to provide evidence that they are factually correct. None have.


Agreed, only based on the fact that it has been taken out of context.
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I hate to agree with iterationzero but in away he's right, you can't take the bible literally, you got to remember that the bible was written in riddles and also the vetican have tons of bible pages that they still have hidden deep in that place, so you got to consider that you maybe wrong about this theory, it may seem like your right but it's unlikely, although for the past few days iv'e talked about this subject with pastors and they agreed that heaven might actually be a planet, so your right on that topic


Ok and what do you think is the most likely means to get from planet to another?
Car / bus / train / plane, ufo?



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Well what exactly are you calling the lie?

I was specifically referring to the part I quoted relating to your reliance on the works of Sitchin, but I've been extremely clear over the last several posts and pointed to exactly where each of your sources is lacking…


The DNA?

No, the fact that a portion of our DNA is unique is not a lie. Any assertion that, because we don't know how it evolved, aliens manipulated our DNA is, at best, completely unfounded speculation. You can't even provide objective evidence that aliens exist, so how can something that doesn't objectively exist have the ability to manipulate our DNA? Simple, it can't.

So another words, because we aren't sure, it's simply not possible?
Nice logic.
I agree there could be cover ups, and information squashed to keep us from knowing.
The problem is the memory's that do come back, they can't squash.
Now that alone might not be proof, but just google some ufo vids and story's, do you honestly think everyone is lying?


The bible?

I don't view the Bible as any more of a lie than I would a compilation of stories by the Brothers Grimm or Aesop's fables. I think it's a book of fairy tales with morals to give instructions to desert dwellers on how to maintain a safe and sanitary civilization and to provide a moral compass. It's a work of fiction that, unfortunately, has been taken as literal truth.

Well you are correct in its purpose, your just not considering why it was needed. It's deeper than that.


Pye's work?

Yes, Lloyd Pye's conclusions are based on distortions of evidence and, in some cases, willful lies. For example, his claims that spina bifida can't be hereditary has been proven wrong. His claims that we only use 10% of our brains is completely unfounded and he refuses to explain how he quantifies it. He asserts that chromosome fusion can't take place in nature, even after an inordinate number of examples are provided. And his understanding of chemistry is pretty woeful. Lloyd Pye is a fraud.

I"m sorry but I agree with Pye, especially since when we recreate gene splicing it leaves the same evidence.



Eric's work?

Yes, I pointed out where von Däniken has fabricated information and lied about sources of information in his work in an earlier post. Eric von Däniken is a fraud.

He might have made some mistakes, but it doesn't mean all of his work much less his direction is wrong.


My assertions from my 3 decades of paranormal study?

No, your assertions aren't lies, but you're using a literal interpretation of allegory and scientific falsehoods as evidence of your assertions. I think you need a better grasp on the scientific method in general and the specific sciences that you're trying to use as evidence. If you did, it would quickly become obvious that the conclusions of the "scientists" you use as evidence don't stand up to the levels of scrutiny that are required by science and that the Bible is a very poor source for factual information.

Well then contact those that cracked the human genome and ask them if those findings were valid or not.


Or the fact that they all proved points in my findings?

You don't seem to understand the difference between supporting evidence and proof. You're essentially saying here that an assertion corroborated by a lie must be true because it has been corroborated. Do you not see how that isn't true?

The chances, are way to overwhelming. I understand what your saying, I think the chances of the information being correct way out weigh not.


Well I honestly didn't know they did in full detail until now, but thanks for confirming it.

If you have four pieces of evidence, A, B, C, and D, and B, C, and D are drawn from A, then you really only have one piece of independent evidence.

None are drawn from each other.


Np, google ufos / aliens / abductions / real footage / and watch as many videos as you can, read as many books as you can. Then make your claim.

That isn't your research. Again, you claim to have been researching this for 30 years. Post your research so it can be scrutinized and reviewed.
No that is my research. My findings started on the paranormal side.


Where is the proof of us transcending from primates?

You mean besides the genetic, archeological, and paleontological evidence?

Name one species here on earth that is presently evolving? And a species in the past that has as well.


Where is proof that explains why we lost our hair and started wearing clothing?

You're conflating the concepts of evidence and explanation, which are pretty fundamental to understanding science. Since you’re interested, there are a few hypotheses for why we lost our body hair.

I love hypothesis, and would easily accept them as anecdotal if something backed them up.

The first is that we lost it as we began to habitate in more coastal areas; fur is a bad insulator in an aquatic environment and acts as a drag when swimming. The second is that we lost it to better regulate our body temperatures in a savannah environment; living in trees in a forest is a cool environment, a hominid walking around in the sun would overheat. The third is that it reduces prevalence of ectoparasites; parasites are not only annoying, but they carry diseases that can cause chronic medical problems or death. And it’s possible, even likely, that it was a combination of all three.

Sounds good, anything to support it like fossils, bones, DNA, anything? I'll take anything other than just an idea. Sasqwatch would work at this point.


Why didn't they all evolve?

They did. Every species on Earth evolved from something and is evolving to something. Evolution isn’t an endpoint with some kind of absolute scale of what’s best. Evolution is a result of environmental pressures acting on genetic mutations.

Mutations can however be forced, and I don't think introducing chemicals and radiation proves evolution. I watched a vid on this, and even a paleontologist admits we have 0 proof today of evolution. We never have had any. The sick part is some scientists are taking this to the next level and making mach up ideas of evolution from plastic and epoxy and teaching others as thought its fact. It's sick and wrong.

I'm glad your comfortable realizing your species is 200,000 years old and we haven't even visited other planets with life. Honestly, look at the facts here.


Why did the mid stages disappear and leave no trace?

If you’re asking about “the missing link”, keep in mind that the colloquial concept of a missing link is a fallacy akin to Zeno’s Paradox and based on the ides of evolution creating a chain of species. What common ancestry creates is a family tree with branches where species diverge, not a linear progression from one to the next. What you really want to know about are transitional species, and we actually have an embarrassing amount of evidence of transitional species. So many that we’ve actually had to reassess which species lived in parallel with each other, which fits the “tree” model of common ancestry but not the linear chain model that people tend to view evolution as producing. And keep in mind that fossil evidence is only one part of the overwhelming evidence for evolution. We can observe evolution occurring today and, even if the entire fossil record were to disappear, we still would have more than enough genetic evidence for evolution for it to be the dominant theory for explaining biodiversity.

I'm sorry, it makes no sense. DNA in my understanding is digital. It's like your telling me my Bob Marley CD becomes Metallica century's later.



Assuming we did evolve, how come primates are so much better off in so many ways than humans?

Such as?


Please pull your head out on this. Your trying to tell me we went from swinging on trees to isolating ourselves in buildings with heat and AC because we could no longer endure the natural elements.

You’re getting it backwards – we didn’t move out of our environment because we couldn’t continue living there, our evolution allowed us to move into climates that aren’t hospitable to primates. What other species of primate lives in essentially every climate on Earth? Hell, what other species of mammal lives in essentially climate on Earth?

And some stayed why? And which came first the sewing machine or the clothing? It's just not possible within 200,000 years, sorry.


We didn't evolve, it looks more like we de evolved. Just look at the medical issues we are all face with on a day to day basis, I would even venture your on medication or have been like most others have.

This is an argument from personal incredulity with absolutely zero credible evidence to support it. Other species experience the same medical issues that we do, they just let the weak ones die.

Your kidding me, you better do some more research. 1/2 the yellow pages in a phone book are medical related. We are sick on this planet beyond belief and get way more things than any other life here. Some say we brought it on our selves. Agreed, from trying to adapt. So why are we adapting, because we don't belong.


How much medication is primates on? I'm sorry its the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And if you think the elements are fine in certain parts of the world you are correct but your also saying we were only suppose to live there. Another words we weren't suppose to grow.
It's not our planet, get it?

What’s the life expectancy of a chimpanzee? In captivity, it’s about 60 years. In the wild, it’s barely more than half that. Our taking medications isn’t an evolutionary issue, it’s a societal one. We do it to artificially prolong our lives and improve the perception of our quality of life.

Ok, and why would we need to do that?

It is our planet, get over it.

Nope, it's even in the bible. We were exiled to earth, and heaven looks nothing like earth. They are clues, important clues.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Using the theme from the movie "the day the earth stood still" I simply had to ask...

"Your planet?"


I haven't gotten that far, I just know its not earth.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Butterbone
Why is it that no one ever grasps at the possibility that their "G*D" is smart enough and powerful enough to use evolution as his vehicle for creating incredibly complex creatures and a dynamic but interconnected system that can by itself run the entire universe without constant intervention. And our inability to understand this system we may have written down things we interpreted through the only form we knew at the time and that these metaphors were just the best explanation anyone could muster several thousand years ago???

Instead, they take things literally, and choose to believe that Harry Potter or his equivalent, waved his invisible hand, and with unexplainable magic, created all things.


Well, if I were going to have a G*D, he'd be a smart god. Not a "poof" there it is magic god. Magic is dumb. You use magic as an answer when you are too lazy to care, or don't think something important enough to observe it yourself.

Why can't your G*D be smart??? You say he is all knowing and always present everywhere at all times, but he can't design things? He made Math! And he made Science! He made the ability for these things to be observed. Why wouldn't you assign all scientific discovery to his greater glory. As a sign of his trust in man to allow us to see the engine and mechanics that he designed to motor the universe and all things within it???

I'll give you my opinion. At some point in history, politics, power, money and greed all took a turn sinking their teeth into religion and science, and one of them decided it didn't want to share with the other.
I'll let you guess which one....


VOTE SMART G*D!!! He's better than dumb Magic G*D!!!


Well people have a hard time believing in evolution because there is not even any circumstantial evidence.
Seriously its way full of holes.
Some have a problem seeing eye to eye in my findings but the difference here is while some of it is scientific fact, there is a plethora of circumstantial evidence that also supports it.

I wasn't able to find to many reasons to believe we evolved but instead seemed to run into more things proving it wrong.

In my case, everytime I open up a bible to a new page, it seems to add more to what I have found.
Some beliefs get more questions. Not me, I get more answers. It's an obvious clue I'm on the right track. While it's not a happy ending, I did want the truth, I just tell peeps upfront that I wont explain this to them if they think they can't handle it.



So you find evidence, in a made up story, in a book that has been revised more than 300 times from cover to cover, and find No evidence of evolution, in the thousands of examples of survival adaptation in the hundreds of millions of species on this planet.

I will pray for the rapture even though I'm not religious....just to get you off this planet. Best of luck! Tell Jesus I want my sins back, he didn't ask me if he could take them with him, and I plan on using them.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth

Originally posted by Butterbone
Why is it that no one ever grasps at the possibility that their "G*D" is smart enough and powerful enough to use evolution as his vehicle for creating incredibly complex creatures and a dynamic but interconnected system that can by itself run the entire universe without constant intervention. And our inability to understand this system we may have written down things we interpreted through the only form we knew at the time and that these metaphors were just the best explanation anyone could muster several thousand years ago???

Instead, they take things literally, and choose to believe that Harry Potter or his equivalent, waved his invisible hand, and with unexplainable magic, created all things.


Well, if I were going to have a G*D, he'd be a smart god. Not a "poof" there it is magic god. Magic is dumb. You use magic as an answer when you are too lazy to care, or don't think something important enough to observe it yourself.

Why can't your G*D be smart??? You say he is all knowing and always present everywhere at all times, but he can't design things? He made Math! And he made Science! He made the ability for these things to be observed. Why wouldn't you assign all scientific discovery to his greater glory. As a sign of his trust in man to allow us to see the engine and mechanics that he designed to motor the universe and all things within it???

I'll give you my opinion. At some point in history, politics, power, money and greed all took a turn sinking their teeth into religion and science, and one of them decided it didn't want to share with the other.
I'll let you guess which one....


VOTE SMART G*D!!! He's better than dumb Magic G*D!!!


Well people have a hard time believing in evolution because there is not even any circumstantial evidence.
Seriously its way full of holes.
Some have a problem seeing eye to eye in my findings but the difference here is while some of it is scientific fact, there is a plethora of circumstantial evidence that also supports it.

I wasn't able to find to many reasons to believe we evolved but instead seemed to run into more things proving it wrong.

In my case, everytime I open up a bible to a new page, it seems to add more to what I have found.
Some beliefs get more questions. Not me, I get more answers. It's an obvious clue I'm on the right track. While it's not a happy ending, I did want the truth, I just tell peeps upfront that I wont explain this to them if they think they can't handle it.



So you find evidence, in a made up story, in a book that has been revised more than 300 times from cover to cover, and find No evidence of evolution, in the thousands of examples of survival adaptation in the hundreds of millions of species on this planet.

I will pray for the rapture even though I'm not religious....just to get you off this planet. Best of luck! Tell Jesus I want my sins back, he didn't ask me if he could take them with him, and I plan on using them.


Well redemption was again taken out of context.
We were suppose to get our powers back.
Either way you look at it, if he was proof they exist, either by example, or fathering.
Something either went wrong or a group of people got to go. We of course are still here, disabled, and DNA altered.

I know the book has been rewritten and translated many times. Thats why I think you need to see that when you read it.

Give me one example of evolution or adaptation in comparison to humans. Just one, even if it's only a small percentage, I'll take it.



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by notonsamepage
hopefully we will get the truth.
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I think its in front of us, we just need to open our eyes.

I never said this before but my concerns quickly turned to questioning god being honest as well as his purpose.

It would seem everything is pretty honest and upfront even most dealings with god.

So much so that there are points I see in the bible where it looks like hes laughing at us for what he did to us.
Anyhow, the start is the big question. I'm having a problem believing his intentions at the reason. After all we have proof in a plethora of ways that he enslaved us. "To serve god" We now attend church and taken that in contrast as serving god. It's all wrong, and stupid.

It's ironic because you know how they say history repeats itself. We all work jobs for crap wages and never seem to get anywhere, in a sense we are still slaves. The significance in that is that people are empty born into this world, you only know what you learn or what you were taught. Where did slavery start is a good post to start.

Sorry about the delay to answer... had a busy weekend. Pesky real life, eh? *lol*

Hell yah, the Jue-sah (aka the bible writers) are laughing at us! For what they did and are still doing to us.. but some of that laughter is getting more like hysterical fear driven laughter... they are seeing all their plans are indeed going to fail, and back into the past to do it over again they go. Plus all that karma held in abeyance while they tried to enslave us will whack 'em around pretty good before they are sent. Theirs is not a pretty future, in the least. They will get their comeuppance for the evil they've done humanity, not to worry.

And attending church is playing their 'enslavement' game. ALL religion was meant to enslave; every single one of them. It seems strange that you can see that somebody's trying to enslave humanity, but for some odd reason you need to believe it's 'god', not the Jue-sah. Doesn't it make more sense that those aliens have been jerking us around with their created 'god' figure and our fear of what happens to us when we die, versus a truly god-like entity which would have no reason to be cruel or evil? And the Jue-sah are ALL about having all the money and power, so yah, it is still very much part of their enslavement plan that we all drudge away and never get any better financially. This bunch is truly as abusive as they dare be, and it is their intentions that are the ones you should have concern about.

And it has NOTHING to do with the overarching sentience of humanity aka 'god' except it knows we need this kind of butt kicking to keep from simply sitting down and doing nothing until the time of enlightenment arrives.

And the Jue-sah have had to be a lot nicer than they would have been if the E-l*th hadn't been paying very close attention. That is why they didn't just enslave us by brute force and then kill most of us off. They CAN'T. The E-l*th would so rip them limb from limb.

Your picture of what is going on is so uneven and doesn't make any sense, plus it leaves you all afraid and easily jerked around by their version of things. It delights them no end when someone gets so wound up about their creative writing. They know it's all a lie, and they love it when some human gets all miserable trying to find out if it really is a lie.

Also, why would a 'god' create us, just to torment and abuse us?? He/she/whatever wouldn't, but the Jue-sah would happily take advantage of the fact that a species like us was brought into existence. But like I said, they did NOT create us, despite their lying misdirecting 'religious' literature which says they did, that they've been cranking out since nearly the beginning of their time here.

THEY are the ones who invented this 'god' that you are so disillusioned with. That being 'god' in the bible? He's just pure unadulterated fiction. The true 'god', the overarching sentience of humanity, is always there for you, always on your side, because it *is* YOU, in your highest form. Why wouldn't you look out for you?



posted on May, 24 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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I'm going to explain this in detail people, and I'm glad shes bringing up her views. Keep in mind I don't like to push my beliefs on others, but I'll explain why IMO I don't agree with her saying Jesus was the son of GOD.

If he was, it was to tease us and say, look, I could have made you just like me, but I chose not to, because why, because he is unsure, or he doesn't know what hes doing?
Your questioning his design. I have 100% faith in our design, as it is one of the very few hard core facts I have to consider.
There is however all the other life on earth to consider as well.
If you believe that Jesus was the actual son of god, you are believing in the creator playing father, and not creating. There is no proof he can't do both, its a small assumption I make based on things not covered.
It simply goes against the grain of the whole idea of creation.

Something made us from scratch people, as weird as it sounds, it started somehow, from somewhere.

Let me give you an example. Lets say someone builds a motorcycle from basic metal parts and precisions each part, to build a custom bike. I would say hes a creator. Lets say a different person takes pieces from 20 other bikes and puts them together to make his own version of a bike. Is he a true creator, no, but could be viewed as such but more like a Frankenstein creator. So we go back to that again.

Why is god mixing his genes with us? Because we weren't good enough. WTF, it makes no sense at all.
When someone sets out to do something they do it right, they don't do it half ass to come back and say, see, I could have done better.

But let me give you the other take on this. If he used his own genes or sperm, he once again is NOT a creator, but a form of a father. So which is he ??? Possibly both, I doubt it. Fathering as such breaks the idea of being a creator. Am I a creator or a god because I have a son? Neither, I'm a father. Can I call myself a creator, in semantics possibly.

So here are your choices, hes either not our creator, or not our creator, or not our creator.
I can see however we could have misunderstood and assumed he was the father because I believe he abducted a healthy human off heavan and took his sperm and put it up in Mary.

Again its a CLASSIC scenario of what aliens like to do, they even like to take the baby away and show you what they made, as though they are a god.


*sigh* No god created us. The greys, however, brought a semi-sentient species they found in Africa, in to sentience accidentally while using the human bodies to store their grey spirits in, versus leave those spirits stuck to the side of their 'bliss state'.

Now, on the universal level, the overarching sentience of the universe did orchestrate the beginning and advancement of life on this planet, so I suppose you could say that level of 'god' created us. That level is all about bringing the whole plan together.. a plan which totally requires humanity, and which requires humanity to make full enlightenment.

And no, 'god' didn't bring us from another world. WE were manipulated by the greys using alien DNA. That does make things a bit of a mess for those who are trying to figure out the DNA stuff, and it is probably quite confusing. But I assure you, we are well adapted to this world. We get sick and such because the NWO is constantly attacking us with their new and exotic diseases. The bubonic plague, btw, is one of their proudest creations. They hate us with a passion and they want as many of us dead as they can get, plus their lapdog, Big Pharmacutieal, makes insanely disgustingly huge amounts of money off of the sale of 'management tools' (notice how they so very rarely ever find a cure???) to those diseases.
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posted on May, 24 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by Butterbone

Originally posted by itsthetooth

Originally posted by Butterbone
Why is it that no one ever grasps at the possibility that their "G*D" is smart enough and powerful enough to use evolution as his vehicle for creating incredibly complex creatures and a dynamic but interconnected system that can by itself run the entire universe without constant intervention. And our inability to understand this system we may have written down things we interpreted through the only form we knew at the time and that these metaphors were just the best explanation anyone could muster several thousand years ago???

Instead, they take things literally, and choose to believe that Harry Potter or his equivalent, waved his invisible hand, and with unexplainable magic, created all things.


Well, if I were going to have a G*D, he'd be a smart god. Not a "poof" there it is magic god. Magic is dumb. You use magic as an answer when you are too lazy to care, or don't think something important enough to observe it yourself.

Why can't your G*D be smart??? You say he is all knowing and always present everywhere at all times, but he can't design things? He made Math! And he made Science! He made the ability for these things to be observed. Why wouldn't you assign all scientific discovery to his greater glory. As a sign of his trust in man to allow us to see the engine and mechanics that he designed to motor the universe and all things within it???

I'll give you my opinion. At some point in history, politics, power, money and greed all took a turn sinking their teeth into religion and science, and one of them decided it didn't want to share with the other.
I'll let you guess which one....


VOTE SMART G*D!!! He's better than dumb Magic G*D!!!


Well people have a hard time believing in evolution because there is not even any circumstantial evidence.
Seriously its way full of holes.
Some have a problem seeing eye to eye in my findings but the difference here is while some of it is scientific fact, there is a plethora of circumstantial evidence that also supports it.

I wasn't able to find to many reasons to believe we evolved but instead seemed to run into more things proving it wrong.

In my case, everytime I open up a bible to a new page, it seems to add more to what I have found.
Some beliefs get more questions. Not me, I get more answers. It's an obvious clue I'm on the right track. While it's not a happy ending, I did want the truth, I just tell peeps upfront that I wont explain this to them if they think they can't handle it.



So you find evidence, in a made up story, in a book that has been revised more than 300 times from cover to cover, and find No evidence of evolution, in the thousands of examples of survival adaptation in the hundreds of millions of species on this planet.

I will pray for the rapture even though I'm not religious....just to get you off this planet. Best of luck! Tell Jesus I want my sins back, he didn't ask me if he could take them with him, and I plan on using them.


Examples of adaptation.
Heat, AC, Clothing, shoes, socks, housing, plumbed water, processed water, processed food, food additives, medicine, toothpaste, deodorant, soap, shampoo, bathrooms, toilets, toilet paper, laundry soap, sinks, showers, cooked food, dishes, dish washers, clothes washers and dryers, jackets, glasses, refrigerators.

This is a very small example of not just adaptation, but redundant adaptation. You claim we evolved so that we could continuously redundantly adapt. I’m sorry I don’t buy it. The day that evolution means things go backwards and gets much harder to the point that it consumes all of your time, is the day I will agree with you.
Humans are a virus on earth, Mother Nature will continue to reject us, that is NOT evolution, it’s us trying to adapt, not being accepted. If you think evolution means being rejected then please explain the purpose.

Trust me.... if your creator was smart enough to make you, he would be smart enough to make a planet to accommodate you and we only have accommodations here that we create for ourselves.
Compare my small list with other life here on earth. Do we actually fit in here? NO. Consider the idea of man disappearing off the face of this earth. Would the planet fall apart in our absence, NO, We are castaways, and we are stuck ):

So, how do you think we got here?

edit on 24-5-2011 by itsthetooth because: add and edit.







 
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