IMF Leader Arrested After Alleged Sex Attack

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by AuranVector


DSK is probably a creepy perv, a serial abuser of women, who has managed to get away with his sexual crimes because of his power. Or because TPTB had a use for him.

That's some pretty interesting speculation. Do you often assume people are serial abusers of women based on speculative smear jobs in the MSM?

It's not far-fetched speculation. Have you not read the many posts on this thread indicating that DSK has a history of sexual misconduct? I trust my gut.

If by 'history' you mean two allegations which never materialized in any charges.

As I posted before, whether or not DSK is guilty or not of this particular sex crime, I don't have any doubts that he is guilty of other crimes. He's an IMF scumbag.

Perhaps. Or perhaps your emotions are being manipulated in a very predictable, standard MSM kind of way.

Are you bent on defending DSK's innocence?

I'm not defending his innocence at all. I'm saying unquestioningly accepting his guilt based on initial repors is foolish and short sighted. HE may very well be guilty, but one can see there are numerous "PTB" who would stand to benefit from framing him.

Anyone else find it a bit ODD that police responded to rape charges within a few hours?

I've had female friends report a rape (yes, more than one) only to have their claims ignored by police for several days before the ever got around to questioning the perp. And yet they went and arrested this guy just hours after the maid's claim.

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by themaster1
Isn't it odd he was transfered to Harlem police station ? That's the question i asked myself as his arrestation was taking place.I thought the "crime" occured in Manhattan (where he own an appartment by the way) .How far are Manhattan and Harlem ?

That's a very interesting question. Harlem is in Upper Manhattan. Miles to the south, is the Sofitel Hotel on West 44th St. The Sofitel is south of Rockefeller Center & Central Park.

As I understand it, DSK was arrested at the Kennedy Airport.

Why was he transferred to Harlem? Is the Harlem police station a transfer point to Rikers Island?

Is there anyone here who can explain this?

edit on 16-5-2011 by AuranVector because: to add possible explanation

It's a good question. I've been scouring news articles but cant find any reasons. Anyone else know??

ETA: It's been reported the maid was from Harlam. It seems a stretch, but perhaps they held him there so she could identify him closer to home?

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

AuranVector: "It's not far-fetched speculation. Have you not read the many posts on this thread indicating that DSK has a history of sexual misconduct? I trust my gut."

Incrediblelous: "If by 'history' you mean two allegations which never materialized in any charges."

AuranVector: "As I posted before, whether or not DSK is guilty or not of this particular sex crime, I don't have any doubts that he is guilty of other crimes. He's an IMF scumbag."

Incrediblelous: "Perhaps. Or perhaps your emotions are being manipulated in a very predictable, standard MSM kind of way."

You have got to be kidding. You obviously do not remember my posts on this thread. My first post on this thread is on Page 12, towards the end of the page.

And it's more than two or three allegations of sexual misconduct. This creep has bad history.
Also I do not limit DSK's "crimes against humanity" to sex crimes. Re-read the thread.

AuranVector: "Are you bent on defending DSK's innocence?"

Incrediblelous: "I'm not defending his innocence at all. I'm saying unquestioningly accepting his guilt based on initial repors is foolish and short sighted. HE may very well be guilty, but one can see there are numerous "PTB" who would stand to benefit from framing him."

I am NOT "unquestioningly accepting his guilt based on initial reports."

You have obviously not understood my posts. I suggest you re-read all of my posts on this thread.

You seem adamant that DSK was set up. But it's entirely possible that he is guilty and it was set up. The two things are not mutually exclusive.

From my perspective, there have been a number of unusual details in this case.

This man is 62. Presumably, he used one hand to hold the woman down and the other to force himself into her mouth. Despite the fact that she is 30 years his junior and performs physically demanding work for a living, she couldn't escape his one-handed grasp?

Did this woman not scream for help in a busy hotel?

The cop said he seemed to leave the hotel in a hurry. Isn't that very biased considering they should be investigating objectively?

Some journalist chooses this opportunity to come forward with accusations after 10 years?

Despite his high profile this man is now being held as a flight risk?

I find it really troubling that many people seem to be automatically presuming he's guilty.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


The following is my first post on this thread on Page 12:

I'm glad you started this thread (it means I don't have to). I haven't read the thread yet, but as soon as I saw this item on Fox tonight, the FIRST thing that came to my mind was a set-up. It would not surprise me if Sarkozy backers (or whoever wants to get rid of this guy) decided to smear him.

A man this powerful could have as many beautiful women (or whatever his tastes are) as he wants. A man this powerful doesn't even have to pay them. Desirable women would do him for free just to get close to someone this powerful & potentially useful. Yeah, like he's going to rape a 30-something hotel maid.

This case stinks to high heaven.

He's Global Elite scum, so maybe it's payback he deserves for other "crimes against humanity."

AuranVector

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Reaching
From my perspective, there have been a number of unusual details in this case.

This man is 62. Presumably, he used one hand to hold the woman down and the other to force himself into her mouth. Despite the fact that she is 30 years his junior and performs physically demanding work for a living, she couldn't escape his one-handed grasp?

Did this woman not scream for help in a busy hotel?

hawkiye
Why are you assuming all 62 year olds are frail old men? These guys stay in suites that are bigger and more lavish then most peoples houses and they are usually pretty private so she may have screamed and no one heard her.

Reaching
The cop said he seemed to leave the hotel in a hurry. Isn't that very biased considering they should be investigating objectively?

hawkiye
She immediately went and told what happened security went to his suite and he was gone within minutes leaving his cell phone AND OTHER BELONGINGS BEHIND

Reaching
Some journalist chooses this opportunity to come forward with accusations after 10 years?

hawkiye
Happens all the time when serial rapists are caught

Reaching
Despite his high profile this man is now being held as a flight risk?

I find it really troubling that many people seem to be automatically presuming he's guilty.

hawkiye
This guy is an international criminal who was trying to leave the country minutes after assaulting a woman. I don't care if he is guilty of this crime or not, he is guilty of crimes against humanity on par with Hitler and Stalin. Do you know how many wars death and destruction the IMF has orchestrated for profit? You don't become IMF Chief without being the scum of the earth.

But if you want to get technical everything you bring up is speculation. Here are the facts. He is accused of assault and rape, he flees within minutes trying to leave the country leaving behind personal belongings. He has a history of assaulting women. She is treated for injuries consistent with her accusations, she reported it immediately. Those are the facts, all the rest of him being set up and why didn't she scream or do this or that is all pure speculation.

Originally posted by BobbyTarass
reply to post by PaganArchangel

 

What you don't seem to get is that attitudes are not more lenient in France and that he's innocent until proven guilty.

Wheter or not he's found guilty of those crimes will be answered during the trial, I don't care to be honest, I'm just saying that France didn't dropped the charges against DSK for the Banon file as Tristane Banon didn't tell anything until now, so your accusation of hiding rapists and being more lenient is false and offending.

edit on 16-5-2011 by BobbyTarass because: (no reason given)

Tristane Banon didn't say anything because her Mother strongly advised her against it...something about the accusation affecting her career . I find it disingenuous that her Mother is all of a sudden out in front going on about how her daughter had been molested by this guy. Perhaps if Mom had cared more about and was willing to back up her daughter at the time the present situation may not have materialized.
In addition, I certainly do not recall writing in any of my posts that France hid rapists

Originally posted by hawkiye


But if you want to get technical everything you bring up is speculation. Here are the facts. He is accused of assault and rape, he flees within minutes trying to leave the country leaving behind personal belongings.

No, THAT is speculation. It is speculation to say he was 'fleeing' seeing as he was scheduled to be in Europe the next day. One does not 'flee' for a pre-scheduled meeting.
Such loaded language is obvious, and people's constant reversion to such loaded language and speculation only adds to the questionable details in this case as reported thus far.

SATURDAY, 12:28 p.m. - Strauss-Kahn checked out of the Sofitel hotel, the law enforcement source said. SATURDAY, sometime after noon - Strauss-Kahn had lunch with someone near the Sofitel hotel, his defense lawyer Ben Brafman told Manhattan Criminal Court on Monday.

SATURDAY, about 3:30 p.m. - Strauss-Kahn called the hotel to ask about his missing mobile phone. Police were still at the hotel and asked the staff member speaking to Strauss-Kahn to tell him an urgent effort would be made to return the phone. Strauss-Kahn told the hotel staff member to bring the phone to him at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.

SATURDAY, 4:00 p.m. - Strauss-Kahn boarded Air France flight 23 for Paris at New York's JFK airport and was seated in the first class section. He had been due to meet German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Europe on Sunday and attend meetings on the region's debt crisis on Monday.

SATURDAY, 4:40 p.m. - Police from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which manages the bridges, tunnels and airports in the area, boarded the flight minutes before it was due to depart and detained Strauss-Kahn. He was not handcuffed.

eta: www.sify.com...

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

[[snip]] leaving the scene of a crime minutes after is fleeing despite where you claimed to have went. Quoting a defense lawyers version of events is speculation!

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This is not the lawyers version, this is Reuters timeline of events.

The hotel has confirmed DSK has checked out at the reception's desk and paid the note.

We have yet to hear the defense. I think I have understood the defense will argue DSK has left the hotel by noon. He then had lunch with his daughter in a restaurant from where he left to the airport.
The on-going investigation will confirm if these details are true or not and importantly the timeline.

"There may well have been consent."...
A "source close to the defense" whispered those words to the New York Post, and with that, all the conspiracy theories get a lot harder to believe. I mean, sure, someone could have theoretically paid off someone to falsely accuse DSK of rape; but a random hotel worker falling for the old man coming out of the shower? It strains the limits of credulity
gawker.com...

Originally posted by hawkiye
leaving the scene of a crime minutes after is fleeing despite where you claimed to have went. Quoting a defense lawyers version of events is speculation!

Again, it i not the 'scene of a crime'. It is an ALLEGED scene. You keep trying to make speculation fact. IT is speculation. It's noteworthy that folks like you are intentionally spreading mis and disinformation about this case that still does not have a lot of facts. hy so quick to claim a man is guilty of something you have no evidence of?

Also, I quoted a News article citing both police and lawyers reports for reference. It's quite clear.

During his first few hours at the Special Victims Unit on Saturday evening, Strauss-Kahn declined offers of meals. But by Sunday morning, he was hungry, police said. "On Sunday, we ordered at his request scrambled eggs, home fries and toast from a local diner," Deputy Police Commissioner for Pubic Information Paul Browne said. That evening he dined on a ham and cheese sandwich with mustard purchased at a Harlem deli, Browne said, adding that he was guessing that the Police Department paid a total of about $10 for Strauss-Kahn's meals.
abcnews.go.com...

From, What have I done, or I can't believe this is happening to me, to damn I'm hungry only took 24 hours.

Isn't it interesting how the police are trying to paint him as guilty in the press by claiming that leaving his cell phone behind is evidence of 'being in a hurry'?

And, if he was indeed in a hurry to 'flee a crime scene', why would he call the hotel and ask them to bring his cell phone to the airport??????? I mean, if he's 'fleeing', and hes ALREADY AT THE AIRPORT, why would he tell someone AT THE HOTEL OF THE ALLEGED ATTACK and give them his exact location? Yet one more highly suspicious aspect of this story.

Also of note is that a French political rival tweeted the info before it had ever been released to the press. How did he know about it? He claims a friend of his works at the same hotel.

Jonathan Pinet, a political science student, tweeted the news of Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest before it had even happened, according to Le Post, a French newspaper.

Some have suggested Mr Strauss-Kahn could also have been stitched up by his rivals inside the International Monetary Fund, as well as by rivals within the French political establishment.

Mr Pinet immediately denied that he was part of a right-wing plot against Mr Strauss-Kahn, merely saying that he was told the news by a friend of his working at the Sofitel hotel.

What luck for him that he just so happened to have a friend working in the same hotel who somehow had access to very specific aspects of a case before it ever hit the news.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

The aspects of this story that dont really make sense just continue to come in.

just wanted to find out if this had been mentioned.

Strauss-Kahn was a left-wing blogger for
the Huffington Post.

www.foxnews.com...

Could he have also been an ATS member ???
hmmmm

reply to post by boondock-saint


I recognize that most people believe the IMF is an evil organization but it's my rudimentary understanding that this guy was trying to overhaul it.

If he is a socialist, doesn't that suggest that he favours greater equality among nations?

Could it be that his leanings were too far left for this organization?

Of course, the Sarkozy and American IMF leader angles are also entirely plausible.

Regardless, I think he was set up.

Originally posted by Reaching
I recognize that most people believe the IMF is an evil organization but it's my rudimentary understanding that this guy was trying to overhaul it.
If he is a socialist, doesn't that suggest that he favours greater equality among nations?
Could it be that his leanings were too far left for this organization?
Of course, the Sarkozy and American IMF leader angles are also entirely plausible.
Regardless, I think he was set up.

could this be payback ???

Sarkozy did have presidential campaign
donations from Gadaffi. Look where he is
at the moment ????

ducking bombs

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Don't you just love the complications that social media creates?

Originally posted by GalacticJoe

"There may well have been consent."...
A "source close to the defense" whispered those words to the New York Post, and with that, all the conspiracy theories get a lot harder to believe. I mean, sure, someone could have theoretically paid off someone to falsely accuse DSK of rape; but a random hotel worker falling for the old man coming out of the shower? It strains the limits of credulity
gawker.com...

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This has really bothered me. That a "source close to the defense" leaked to the NYPost that "There may well have been consent" says to me that there is incontrovertible forensic evidence (bodily fluids) that some sexual act did indeed take place.

Because I'm strongly inclined to believe DSK was set up (he has powerful enemies), my take on this is:

TPTB know DSK's weakness. Someone hired the African maid to perform for DSK with promises that she would be taken care of. There's no exchange of money yet, too obvious.

DSK may have wanted to act out a rough sex scenario with a "slave." OR she was told to approach DSK when he was vulnerable to temptation -- just out of the shower.

After the deed was done, she cried rape with plenty of body fluids to back up her story.

If this is true, I would say the maid is in danger of being offed after she has served her purpose in ruining him.
Whoever hired her would not want the money traced.

Then again the reward may not be money. This may concern her family in Ghana. TPTB have different ways of manipulating people to do what they want.

It will be interesting to see what unfolds.