Teacher 'Refused To Hang Child's Drawing Of U.S. Flag Because It Would Offend Jehovah's Witness S

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Yes, people have been fired for much less.

And that makes it right? I dont believe you.

I dont buy into the "Tenure" bit, and I also think that The Teachers Union has
one of the most socialistist agendas out there.

Who said anything about not being able to fire her because of tenure? I merely said calling for someone to be fired based on hearsay seems odd. NO one has mentioned tenure. But now that I see your agenda is anti all teachers, it makes sense.

reply to post by intrepid


Thats not the crux of the matter. Not as I see it.

However, it is part of the matter. There is a little recent backgound available here:

www.publiusforum.com...

Originally posted by The_Phantom

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by The_Phantom
This is about a liberal teacher trying to use a JW child to further an agenda.

That's one interpretation, based on the entirely unsubstantiated claims of the father and son.

Another is the father is using the issue to further his own Agenda.

The agenda liberals have is to remove flags and anything that can be related to God from schools. As in "...one nation under God..."

But she could have just not known better, that's true, so I'll retract that statement.

Your right though the father getting the ACLU involved is also agenda based to keep the flag in the schools.

No. I'm saying it appears the father is using the ACLU and his son as a way to get attention for himself and his likely delusions of persecution. And a careful reading of the article reveals the father and son have had some previous 'misunderstandings' with the JH kid not saluting the flag.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Who said anything about not being able to fire her because of tenure? I merely said calling for someone to be fired based on hearsay seems odd. NO one has mentioned tenure. But now that I see your agenda is anti all teachers, it makes sense.

I certainly do not have an agenda of anti teacher.
I am however anti political correctness.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Yes, people have been fired for much less.

I dont buy into the "Tenure" bit, and I also think that The Teachers Union has
one of the most socialistist agendas out there.

I'm not going to make any assertions as to whether or not I think you have an agenda. I simply do not care if you do.

What I do believe though, is that you've spent far too much time listening to New Jersey's Chris Christie and his overt oppression of teachers and the teachers union.

Personally, I am not a huge fan of unions, they were a blessing and the bane of existence, but they served their purpose almost as much as a Governor serves theirs (note not ours). But sincerely, don't believe everything that comes out of politicians mouths with respect to the big bad unions.

reply to post by burntheships


I got 2 sentences in and lost interest. I'm not reading biased blogs. I want YOUR opinion. That said you DO know that our education system is socialist by virtue of the way it's set up? Do you REALLY know what socialism is?

reply to post by alphabetaone


Never heard of the person you mention.

Just a person who thinks that if a flag is outside on the school grounds,
a flag should be allowed inside.

Even the principal caved afterwards and said the flag could be allowed to be put up.
Its what they should have done in the first place.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by alphabetaone

 

Never heard of the person you mention.

Just a person who thinks that if a flag is outside on the school grounds,
a flag should be allowed inside.

Even the principal caved afterwards and said the flag could be allowed to be put up.
Its what they should have done in the first place.

Why are you so certain the father's story is true?

Originally posted by burntheships


Even the principal caved afterwards and said the flag could be allowed to be put up.
Its what they should have done in the first place.

I remember once, my 8 year old niece kept saying "Let's go! Let's go! Let's go! to the park!"

You know what, eventually I caved just to shut her up.

As far as Chris Christie, you should look him up and his fight with teachers unions, it's a huge mess in that state.

reply to post by intrepid


Socialism - an ecomomic system and an accompanied political philosophy.

Property being governmental owned and controlled in its base concept, in which the means of
production are controlled by the state (govenment).

reply to post by burntheships


Wrong. You should Google better. It's pooling the resources of the people to redistribute for the good of the people. That means schools, welfare, unemployment, parks, etc. You need a Civics class.

reply to post by intrepid


Well I would be fine with a civics class as long as there is a flag in the room.
I would even volunteer to draw one for the class, though it might offend some.

For my part, to sum everything up, I think we owe it, as responsible citizens, to give equal amount of consideration to the teacher as we do to the student and father.

It seems, like spring reaction, we jump to automatically take the non-authoritative position as the one with the most virtue associated with it. In this case, the student and father, when in fact, the teachers position could have been far more virtuous.

Maybe (at least in America) we need to go back to SOME dark ages, like equal rights and innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around.

reply to post by burntheships


Sorry, I thought this was an intellectual discussion, not one based on emotion and baseless facts. I recuse myself and the real facts. Seems like you don't want them. Good luck with unreality.

reply to post by alphabetaone


Ah well, we can hope that the dad sorts it out with the school,
its a sad day when the ACLU is called in to defend a child and a flag drawing.

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by burntheships

 

Wrong. You should Google better. It's pooling the resources of the people to redistribute for the good of the people. That means schools, welfare, unemployment, parks, etc. You need a Civics class.

That is the "official" definition of socialism.What is a more accurate definition is this...
1.Pooling the resources from the sheeple to distribute among the elite.
2.Which means better private schools.
3.A more luxurious lifestyle for the PTB.
4.Being assured of a obediant working class for fear of losing their jobs.
5.More privately owned parks for the PTB to relax and enjoy in while the sheeple
are caged into large cities.

As a citizen of the United States of America and a Christian lady...
It will be a cold day in hades before I will ever accept socialism
within the borders of the U.S.A.

Originally posted by babybunnies
The Jehovah's Witness is at a government funded school in AMERICA.

If they get offended by the AMERICAN FLAG, they should leave. Period. No discussion, end of story.

When did the Western World start pandering to the weakest members of society, and ignoring the strongest?

While we should definitely not ignore the weakest members, they need to keep up. It's not for us to stoop to their level.

Sounds even to me that your highly offended by Jw's... I don't think your understanding the post.
0.o

reply to post by mamabeth


No, that's an Oligarchy. Which the Founding Fathers fought against. Please don't fall for the propaganda.

reply to post by intrepid


Who do you think is really in control of
the U.S.A?It is the elite of the country,
not the average joe!
I think it is an outrage that americans
are slowly being punished for waving,
posting or drawing the american flag.
We are in a downward spiral heading
towards a very dismal future.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by alphabetaone

 

Ah well, we can hope that the dad sorts it out with the school,
its a sad day when the ACLU is called in to defend a child and a flag drawing.

its a sad day when someone takes one person's unsubstantiated claims and, because of their admitted dislike of teachers for being 'socialists', believes it word for word, based on one article that clearly misses many sides and aspects of the story.