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Teacher 'Refused To Hang Child's Drawing Of U.S. Flag Because It Would Offend Jehovah's Witness S

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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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So, let's see here: Little frankie has asked the teacher if he can draw picture, while the rest of the class apparently does something else. He draws a picture and asks to hang it up, and the teacher tells him he can't. Little frankie goes home and tells dad the teacher wouldnt let him hang it because it would offend the jehovas witness. that is what is reported.

Were the other kids hanging up a picture, or was little billy asking for somethings special? We dont know.



He claims his teacher refused to hang up his picture on a wall beside those drawn by his classmates as it would offend the other student. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...


Did the teacher ACTUALLY say he couldnt hang up the picture of the American flag because it would 'offend' the other student? We dont know.

Now, we DO know that the little Billy apparently had a problem previous with little Jehovas witness boy:



Mr Girard said that the dispute did not just start with the drawing of the flag. He said that the student in Frankie's class is a Jehovah's Witness and does not pledge allegiance.

He said: 'Frankie did not know much about Jehovah's Witnesses at the time and merely asked his classmate why he did not do it. But they don't pledge allegiance to anything. 'There was a bit of a misunderstanding between them but Frankie later apologized to him, explaining that he was just curious about why he didn't pledge allegiance. Now all this has happened.' Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...


So, he apologized, eh? Sounds like he was harassing said Jehova's Witness kid int he past. So was he drawing the American Flag and demanding the teacher display it in the window as an affront to the JH kid he had a 'misunderstanding' with? I so, then the teacher made a good call.

I'm not going to go and call for her being fired based on the word of one guy. Lets find out some more facts first. Would you want to lose your job because of one unsubstantiated claim?

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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
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What does that have to to with my post? I asked what proof you have that the teacher made any of the comments the dad is alleging?



How did the child obtain the art paper?

You believe the teacher over the child?




So far, as reported, the only person making the claim is the dad. And, by his own admission, it sounds like he has a lot of personal problems with the Jehova's witness, therefore making his claims awfully convenient, dont you think?



No, I dont think. The child and the dad, that makes 2.



This story is epically one-sided, and there are likely FAR more facts than being reported, so until there is actual evidence to support the father's likely dubious claims, i'll stop short of demanding someone lose their job over this.

It's quite clear to me that you are trolling for some 'fire the anti-american teacher' posts, but anyone who READS THE ARTICLE can see the facts are not all there to support your little witch-hunt.




Me thinks thou protestest too much. Obvious much.



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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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I know J.W.'s and I have never known any of them to be offended by the flag of the United States.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships


Me thinks thou protestest too much. Obvious much.



Yes, I protest you calling for this woman to be fired based on the entirely unsubstantiated claims made by one adult and his child. Especially since it appears the father and child had personal problems with the JH kid in question.

Would you want to be fired from your job because of the unsubstantiated claim of one man and his kid?
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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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I would expect to be fired, yes.

This school is in the United States, and has a United States flag outside.


He said the school superintendent called him to say that Frankie would be allowed to out the flag on his desk if the matter was forgotten about but he refused.

He said: 'The only thing I want is an apology to my son and my family over the way they have treated him and defamed his character.'

www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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The Jehovah's Witness is at a government funded school in AMERICA.

If they get offended by the AMERICAN FLAG, they should leave. Period. No discussion, end of story.

When did the Western World start pandering to the weakest members of society, and ignoring the strongest?

While we should definitely not ignore the weakest members, they need to keep up. It's not for us to stoop to their level.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
The Jehovah's Witness is at a government funded school in AMERICA.

If they get offended by the AMERICAN FLAG, they should leave. Period. No discussion, end of story.

When did the Western World start pandering to the weakest members of society, and ignoring the strongest?

While we should definitely not ignore the weakest members, they need to keep up. It's not for us to stoop to their level.


You should read the quotes after that article from all of the Jehovah's Witnesses first.

(I'm not religious so I dont frankly care about anyones religion) But, their claim is, that there is no WAY that any JW would be offended by that, it should be a non-issue. That's the long and short of it anyway. Let's not get crazy with our nationalism here.

I guess it's completely out of the realm of possibility for the kid to be lying, and for the father to be exacerbating merely for the (as even evidenced here) attention he is getting from this eh? The whole thing stinks, and I think both the father AND the kid are lying about it for whatever gain they can possibly reap from it.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by topherman420
As far as I know, jehovah witness' dont care what others do but what themselves do. It wasn't like the kid was asking them to pledge to his drawing.


As one that spent the first half of his life as a JW, you are right. They wouldn't care. They live for the most part apart from "the world." This wouldn't have bothered any JW.


Teacher should be reprimanded and the family should get an apology.


Again, I agree. Some training on religious beliefs wouldn't be out of the question either. Seems like the teacher didn't know what to do in this situation. Just covering his/her ass. That's not abnormal either in this day and age.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid


Again, I agree. Some training on religious beliefs wouldn't be out of the question either. Seems like the teacher didn't know what to do in this situation. Just covering his/her ass. That's not abnormal either in this day and age.


And if the student and father are lying?

For what purpose should the teacher then be repirmanded if first, there is a lie, and second religion never came into the equation.

Yet, you take a definitive stance that the teacher SHOULD be reprimanded without first making OR proving any guilt on the teachers part?



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
The Jehovah's Witness is at a government funded school in AMERICA.

If they get offended by the AMERICAN FLAG, they should leave. Period. No discussion, end of story.

When did the Western World start pandering to the weakest members of society, and ignoring the strongest?

While we should definitely not ignore the weakest members, they need to keep up. It's not for us to stoop to their level.


I grew up a JW and I can assure you that they are not offended by the flag and would never tell anybody to remove one. They are instructed to be respectful to it. This is about a liberal teacher trying to use a JW child to further an agenda.

By the way, the government does not fund anything, tax payers do, JW's are also tax payers just like you are, but even still they would stand and be respectful to the flag as they are asked to, just as long as they are not asked to give allegiance to it. What makes you think JW's are the weakest members of society? I can tell you they are not.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:47 PM
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It's a sad day when you can't hang up a picture of your own countrys' flag.
The whole world is going mad with political correctness.
I'm not into insulting people or doing stuff that will cause offence but there are certain things that you see happening and just think what the hell is going on??



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by The_Phantom
This is about a liberal teacher trying to use a JW child to further an agenda.


That's one interpretation, based on the entirely unsubstantiated claims of the father and son.

Another is the father is using the issue to further his own Agenda.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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With or without a reprimand, the teacher should have some education on the students that don't fall into the basic categories other students are. This is being blown WAY out of proportion. Did the JW kid complain? Did the parents of the JW kid complain? Did the JW's as an organization complain? No to all the previous. It's lack of understanding that is missing. That's all. I admit that a reprimand is too harsh. Just get them some clear facts.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
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I would expect to be fired, yes.


You would expect to be fired if ONE person and his son made a claim about something you say you did not do? Wow.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Advantage
We now live in a mil town. One of the middle schoolers wore a flag pin on her shirt as her father had just been deployed. They had a going away party with little bags of party favors for the kids. They contained little things and one of them was a flag pin. My kids even got the pins and the older girls decided to wear them every day till the girls dad came home. Teacher made her take it off.... no reason given.


Yes, I suspect this type of thing happens way more than makes the papers.

I am suprised that they did not call the flag pin a weapon that could be used to terrorize.
That will be next.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
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With or without a reprimand, the teacher should have some education on the students that don't fall into the basic categories other students are. This is being blown WAY out of proportion. Did the JW kid complain? Did the parents of the JW kid complain? Did the JW's as an organization complain? No to all the previous. It's lack of understanding that is missing. That's all. I admit that a reprimand is too harsh. Just get them some clear facts.



I agree with that much. But for all we know, perhaps the teacher is WELL versed in religion and how to be sensitive with issues regarding it. I don't think the article is conclusive enough to make that decision.

However, I do agree that ANY teacher should be well versed.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Yes, people have been fired for much less.

I dont buy into the "Tenure" bit, and I also think that The Teachers Union has
one of the most socialistist agendas out there.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
I also think that The Teachers Union has
one of the most socialistist agendas out there.


OK, now we get to the crux of the matter. Can you explain why it's socialist agenda and why that's a bad thing?



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by The_Phantom
This is about a liberal teacher trying to use a JW child to further an agenda.


That's one interpretation, based on the entirely unsubstantiated claims of the father and son.

Another is the father is using the issue to further his own Agenda.


The agenda liberals have is to remove flags and anything that can be related to God from schools. As in "...one nation under God..."

But she could have just not known what to do, that's true, so I'll take back my statement saying that is why she did it.

Your also right that the father getting the ACLU involved is agenda based to keep the flag in the schools.

My point is that the JW kid is just being used as a pawn in a game. No JW would ever ask anybody to remove a flag or tell others that removing it is wrong, they try to be neutral.
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