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Seeking informations about an alleged jet fighter pilot death back to 1956 after encounter with a UF

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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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I've been searching on ATS engine search but haven't found anything about this "alleged" case.

Drop the poor information I have on the net gave me this:




.....from ufodna

and a sibyllin sentence on a forum back in 2004:

AF interrogates Navy fliers and tells them to 'say nothing to nobody'.....it doesn't go down well.....Oct 26th 1956 two Navy planes collided chasing UFOs near Okinawa-1 rescued, 1 died.. you guys are in charge-what the H is going on and on and on...

Of course, I tried to find the originate source for this "case", but with no luck so far, ending with these:

- "602" of the ufodna link: Dolan, Richard M. UFO's and the National Security State: An Unclassified History Volume One: 1941-1973 Keyhole Publishing Company, Rochester, 2000
- "691" of the ufodna link: Dolan, Richard M. UFO's and the National Security State: Chronology of a Cover-up 1941-1973 Hampton Roads, Charlottesville, 2002 ISBN:1-57174-317-0
- "222" of the ufodna link: Flying Saucers, Flying Saucers Magazine (Palmer)

I know that the only source seem to be Mr Nolan, but is anybody aware of either another credible source or where did Mr Nolan took this case from?

Any help will be much appreciated, thanks!

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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Dear elevenaugust,

I am not familiar with the case, it made me think of Thomas Mantell. Thomas Mantell



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Yes, absolutely!
Many thanks for the input.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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It sounds like an interesting case so I'll try to do some digging and will let you know if I find anything.

Here is another similar case involving another USAF pilot in the North Sea off the UK coast.

www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Here is what I found in google archives. Not sure if it is related though. On Oct 26, 2 jets collide in Okinawa japan. One dies. You may want to check if this was a coverup. It also mentiones a B-57 incident.
The Milwaukee Journal -google archives

I think this next article mentions both incidents also. The first one I mentioned, and the B-57, 40 miles east of Tokyo. The b-57 pilot lived.

Saskatoon Star Phoenix - google archives

Looks like typhoon Jean hit Okinawa in Oct also. And it had been getting blasted by typhoons out of the wazoo. That could take planes down also...


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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Great find! Thanks!

That's probably it.

No mention of any UFO, so where did the alleged "UFO encounter" came from?
Is it a pure invention? And if so, who originate it?

Since we only have two second hand sources, we can only guess that either Mr Nolan or Mr Ray Palmer have had more informations....... or simply "embellish" the collision story.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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Just got back from shopping... You know I can find just about anything. LOL.... I like a good challenge. Maybe there was another crash that month? Anyways I will look in one more place.

The man who survived was John. w Ross. .




My father, then Lt. John W. Ross, flew F-86F with 12th FBS at Kadena Sept. 1955 to August 1956 when he was transferred to 336th Fighter Day Squadron (picture of patches, scarf and hat attached) until September 1957.

While with 336th at Kadena, he survived a mid-air collision with an F-84H (mock dogfight) ejected on October 26, 1956. Anyone with 336th at that time and recall incident?

According to my Dad's Individual Flight Records the 336th Fighter Day Squadron was under the 18th FBW, 18th FBG from August 1956 to February 1957 at which time the 336th Ftr Day Sqdrn. was under the 313th Air Division (AD)

Also, I have a patch and wedding ring (recovered from the crash) of Lt. Earl Norman Farris, my dad's best friend, who was with the 336th at Kadena and was killed in F-86F crash into mountain in 1956. I found Farris' ring and patch while going through my Dad's attic after his death in 1992.

My mother recently told me Lt. Farris had a newborn (less than 12 months) at the time of his death. I'd like to get the ring to them. Any ideas? I googled w/o success.



The 2004--2010 Rocketeer Air Force Guest Book
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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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Here is a catalog of Military, Airliner, Private Pilots’ Sightings from 1916 to 2000.

UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA EIGHTY YEARS OF PILOT SIGHTINGS



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Might be slightly off topic but worth mentioning here. In one of the numerous documentaries, i believe it might be "Britain's X Files", the two man crew of a British Vampyre jet are interviewed about a sighting they had in th early 1950s. It is interesting that, they say something along the lines of the following when talking about their attitude towards the UFO..

"We were well aware that the talk was in the mess that, someone/people had died chasing one of these things"

The comment is not added to and nothing is asked about it in the documentary. I suspect that the crew involved were hoping that people would pick up this little aside and come to their own conclusions. The assumption would be that, they are referring to the Mantell case. However, given the Mantell case was in the public domain and widely reported just maybe their not using Mantell by name, points to Mess talk about other incidents as yet unreleased or unacknowledged as having any UFO content.

Secondly asre... this case That of the loss of William Schaffner

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Now, if we discount the possibility of some Alien Hit Squad seeking revenge for wooden acting, the wholesale slaughter of alien races and the gratuitous shagging of alien lasses and a case of mistaken identity, the RAF report fails to answer several salient questions about the incident.

I have studied this case for quite some time. RADAR did indeed register a bogey and Schaffner was vectored to investigate, Schaffner's craft was seen to "merge" with the object he was ordered to check out and then it crashed. The supposed tape of the incident, between pilot and ground staff, is a fake, however as is increasingly the case, David Clarke is only too happy to accept third hand testimony from the military in order to *solve* a case.

The splendidly monickered Bruce Barrymore Halpenny makes it plain in one his books that there are a whole slew of, as yet unanswered questions relating to Schaffner's death. What's more Halpeeny actually interviewed several of those involved, unlike Clark and furthermore, Halpenny's credentials are somewhat more impressive when it comes to actually knowing and understanding the workings of the British military.

From the wiki page on Halpenny

Halpenny served in the Royal Air Force Police in specialist units, often overseas,[2] but after being wounded, and instead of coming out of the RAF, he moved across to the RAF Police (RAFPD) on Special Security Duties (Atomic & Chemical Weapons) SS, and was part of a special RAF military police unit on Special Duties and in the Nuclear Division,[2] that was responsible for the protection of the nuclear weapons that the V-bombers were to use in time of war.

So just a tad more qualified than some Doctor of media studies in the understandings of the workings of the RAF. Halpenny claims that the crash investigation into Schaffner's death was a total sham from start to finish. Quite illegally, the British RAF were not allowed to do a full investigation on the recovered aircraft. The craft was raised from the sea bed where according to Halpenny's sources in the RAF . "It looked as it it had been parked not crashed" and delivered to the requisite base for inspection. The accident investigators were given 30 minutes , under the guard of non uniformed personnel, to carry out the whole investigation. Further more, every last dial and clock that might yield useful data had been removed. and the lawful investigators were told. "No way were they to be allowed to see the dials and clocks"

Halpenny was also told by those *in the know* that there was a huge question over whether the cockpit was still sealed and the pilot missing when the aircraft was found on the sea bed or whether the cockpit had, somehow shut after Schaffner had ejected, which is highly unlikely as the cockpit would have been on explosive bolts should the ejector seat mechanism be activated.

That the RAF now claim that, the ejector seat mechanism *failed* seems to be a classic fudge, designed to avoid anyone asking some awkward questions that are still outstanding and unanswered about this particular case. For instance, had the cockpit no blown off but the seat mechanism had fired, then there would have been one hell of a mess all over the inside of that Lightning Aircraft and there wasn't.

Some twelve years ago, when i first became a regular online person, it was to check out this very case and I tracked down a couple of the people involved in it. They confirmed Halpenny's account of events but it made it plain they had no intention of appearing *on camera* to discuss the case. One also made it plain by their language that they had been told *not to discuss the case in public* by a much higher authority than some press officer in the RAF..

The mysterious case of William Schaffner, is therefore, nowhere near as closed as either the RAF or Clark would have you believe and given the credentials of the person saying it's not as simple as they would like make out, I know where my faith currently lies..



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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AF interrogates Navy fliers and tells them to 'say nothing to nobody'.....it doesn't go down well.....Oct 26th 1956 two Navy planes collided chasing UFOs near Okinawa-1 rescued, 1 died..


Physics Forum

Looks like the collision I found was it, afterall.
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posted on May, 14 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Every Little bit helps.



launched from the uss ranger this accident went unreported due to the classified nature of the mission


Yahoo Answers - 2 military jets collide in okinawa 1956?



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:28 AM
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Nice research work, elouina!

It sure helps!

Have you tried to search for Nolan's book or "Flying Saucers Magazine" as well?

Curious to know where the "UFO involving" came from....



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