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posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 02:34 AM
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I've come across some very interesting posts on a time travel website I frequently visit, and wanted to get everyone's opinions and/or ideas on how this could be replicated....

These posts are from a user named TimeBender on a time travel forum located at www.timetravelforum.tk. You can visit the source by clicking HERE

Here are the posts:

Posted: Mar 2 2004, 03:26 AM


I just joined the list as I stumbled upon it and was intrigued. Time travel has always been more than a passing interest with me and I actually did build a "Time Machine" when I was in my early twenties. It was, more accurately, a "Time Dilation"device.

I was really into Tesla coils and other high voltage toys. One night, I decided to try building a levitation machine utilizing some high voltage equipment I had built previously. I also used a separate high current low voltage transformer that put out about 60 amps. This was before the internet was publically available and little information existed on the subject.

I decided that theoretically, if I combined the "business" properties that each form of electricity/electromagnetism had to offer, I could tinker around long enough to make a huge high frequency electromagnet which I could "tune" by both frequency and intensity independently. My premise was that gravity works on low frequency and in a single plane. I had hoped to figure out a way to "envelop" a small object in a high freq, high current field such that it would be "shielded" from the natural gravitational field and thus float or levitate within the boundaries of the field.

I was not nor am I a mathmatical wizard nor engineer and so my experiments are always by trial and error. What I ended up with was a huge coil within a coil, one for the high current and the other for the high voltage/frequency. It got hot pretty fast but I could run it for 30 minutes at a time before I had to let it cool down.

Initially I placed a few metal objects within the field and could adjust everything to nullify the electromagnetic effect where they would no longer stick to the inside of the coil, but they never levitated. I could get a few small items to slide around, but I attributed this to "ionic wind" effects. I decided to test how much I leakage I was getting within the field via ionic wind and eventually placed a lit candle inside the coil and then turned on the equipment. As suspected, the flame flickered out of control and the candle burned fast! I was disappointed and abandoned the equipment on the desk for a bit more than a week trying to figure out how to modify it.

When I went back to testing the unit, I lit another candle and powered up. This time I had everything at minimum input to the coil so I could log the level when the ionic wind effect began. To my amazement, the candle flame seemed to "freeze" as soon as I turned the unit on! I watched it for a few minutes before I powered down and the candle began flickering normally again! Power on, the flame froze, power off, the flame resumed flickering. It was then that I remembered the Philadelphia Experiment and nearly pee'd all over myself.

I used two new candles, one inside the coil and one on a shelf about three feet away. I lit them both and powered up again. The candle within the field stopped flickering and the one outside the field on the shelf continued burning normally. I played around burning candles for a few days. The candle inside the coil could be slowed down or speeded up. I could burn a whole candle in a few seconds while the one outside the field took about 30 minutes to burn down! I could also make the candle in the field stop melting, the flame just kind of stood there in the position it was in on power up.

I tried a few watches, but they quit working as soon as the unit was powered up. I even tried an heirloom wind up pocket watch that never worked again. After playing with it for a few months, I figured the effect must be common and convinced myself that it was little more than a parlor trick that I didn't know the principle of. Surely a tinkerer with crude hand made equipment couldn't manipulate time before some guy with a list of doctorates and endless resources, right?

I have concluded over the years, after studying the issue of time travel, that my crude maching was in fact capable of bending time. I still remember "how" I built it, but even the spark gap was hand made and I cannot remember it's size or number of contacts. One day, I'll be able to duplicate the effect. I haven't had time or resources for such things in years but if anyone else does, I'll be happy to share the basic construction of the equipment and the theory behind it.

Sorry for such a long intro,
TimeBender


Posted: Mar 2 2004, 05:26 PM


I offer my experiments in the public domain and thus they and their cumulative results are intended to remain in the public (FREE information exchange) forum. If you duplicate my experiments, I expect that you will forward ALL results, positive or negative to this list as it seems we are all of a singular interest no matter the damning we might endure outside the forum.

For Phoenix specifically;
From a cost standpoint, I've not a clue! All materials for the unit were salvaged from leftover electromagnet wire, Tesla coils,homebuilt x-ray units, etc. I guess my most pertinent answer here is "Don't be shy!!!" The tesla coils that were an actual part of the unit were homebuilt, 4 feet tall and shot a mean blueish bolt over 4 feet. The xfmr was intended to power shortwave equipment and could be relied upon to produce 50 amps @ 12v from a 110v source. I actually still have the original transformer in my posession.

I used hand made plexi-glass freq generators. (These were a round piece of plexi with....................7 individual contacts designed for high voltage (Tesla) experiments. The motors driving the "plexi-spark gaps" were standard refridgerator motors, the kind found near the compressor to keep it cool.

The capacitors, (I'm really going to have to draw a basic diagram for all this if intertest remains) were hand made of aluminum foil and waxed paper (grocery store fodder) and contained in PVC housings. There were three caps.

I hope that no one is expecting parts values as I have none. As mentioned before, I cannot do math nor am I an engineer. Truth is, I do not know any parts values as each piece was designed to be controlled externally by a virtual imbecile as myself who MUST look at the resistor color chart EVERY time I use it. Of course all separate circuits, the Tesla high freq generator as well as the off the shelf downconvertor (50a 12v xfmr) could be independantly controlled by variable resistors as well as the frequency being controlled by motor (spark gap) speed.

The only "oddball" part that I can remember is the vaccuum tube (x-ray tube) which was a standard amplifier tube...6xj6 or something similar. This specific item was used only in the beginning of my experiments. (A satisfactory X-ray device was commonly made by covering the end of a high power tube with foil and using only the input pin of the tube for a high voltage input. Within the first few days I eliminated the tube successfully in spirit of the principal.

Each piece of the unit minus wire was virtually hand crafted and didn't cost a dime. In the end what I had built was a step up transformer (powered by the12v 50a off the shelf unit" surrounded by a torroidal coil with an air gap which was energized with high voltage in the neighborhood of 40-60kv. The coil weighed in at almost exactly 153 lbs and had a hollow center....like a donut.

My original idea was to contain the HV field with the high current field as I had read how electromagnetism is used to contain even atoms in an accellerator. This containment of the HV field, I theorized, would force the high voltage field into a more round or global configuration. I presumed that if I could supply enough HV to the field bending around a small object, I could in essence, shield it from the natural gravitational flows to which it is normally exposed and, presto, whatever was in the center of the field would float.

After realizing what the crude machine actually did, I tried vegetables which I could coax to liquify (decompose) within the limits of the machine, about 30 min. You could actually see them decompose before your eyes like the old high school time lapse movies about nature. It was phenomenal!!!!

I have probably written to execess again, so I'll leave it at that unless there are any more questions. I'll also see if I can make a diagram of some sort so you will at least have a "layout" of the components.

GW


Posted: Mar 2 2004, 05:36 PM


PS The entire unit took less than 48 hours of construction time as the only part I had to build was the xfmr. I suppose you could build the unit today for less than $500 but still within 48 hours. If you are conservative or have a good "hard parts bin" you could build one from the ground up for less than $150 US. The wire for winding the main gravity field elimination xmfr will cost the most.

Hope that helps,
TimeBender


Posted: Mar 6 2004, 03:02 PM


No photos. As I stated, I wasn't aware of the devices significance until years later. I never intended to create the effect that I witnessed and thus, since the unit was supposed to levitate an object and did not, on one level I saw the experiment as a failure on another level I just assumed I had created an effect that must already be known and based upon known scientific principal.

I am a math idiot and am not an engineer. I believe that this has allowed me more freedom in my tinkering as I'm not pre-disposed to NOT try something because someone else said it won't work. I wish now that in my youthful ignorance, I would have had the sense to save the unit, but you know what they say about hindsight.

That failed experiment, I feel, gave me a better insight into the Philadelphia Experiment which I now also believe was a failure which was an unintentional glimpse into the same phenomena I stumbled upon.

I am still working up the block diagram from memory. It was basically a high current EM field rotating around a high freq/ high voltage field.

Sorry about the lack of photos but please realize that I had no idea what I had accomplished.
TB


Posted: Mar 7 2004, 04:13 PM


Phoenix,
You have brought up several...philisophical issues that I hadn't intended to encourage. I'm just a guy with an interest in TT like everyone else and I wouldn't dare attempt to put forth some greater knowlege as most of the "travellers" do. In fact I wish I did have a better understanding of the principles behind the experiment in this thread.

Understanding humanity to a degree, I have to wonder if "travellers" would be sent to bestow upon us some esoteric knowlege. I don't believe they would. The TT would be from a more military faction I would surmise and would have no interest in bestowing us with anything other than their home sickness and possibly a rememberance of what is to come based on their own memory.

The fact is, if we can travel through time in the future, it is based upon the technology of the past. I think that Alexander Bell never envisioned Cell Phones when he sent the first intelligable signal across the wires, but that is where the technology began. So too can I only dream of walking into my future, but my experiments, however crude they often are or have been, are the beginning of understanding a principle which has been elusive to our greatest minds.

I to encourage anyone with a junk box full of parts to play to their hearts content. For historically, the tinkerer has always laid the groundwork for new technologies. If we have technologically advanced circuits in the future which allow us to travel through time, the technology was obviously based upon crude experimentation of people like me, who come to this list because we believe.

As for the TT's who have some grand message...I don't believe it! Why would someone comfortable with our own future wish to change their own past?
TB

PS: How do I upload my block diagram?


Posted: Mar 23 2004, 10:29 PM


Sorry for not uploading the diagram. Working homicide is never predictable and I had to leave for awhile. Let me figure out how to upload to the list. It should be available in the next day or so. I have alot of catch up reports first.

TB


Posted: Apr 10 2004, 04:53 AM


Frog,
I used the unit during day and darkhours and it worked consistently with no noticable diurnal fluctuations.

As far as power consumption, I would guess that it sucked quite a bit of juice considering the size of the xfmrs I used though I have no hard data regarding the same as I hadn't metered up for consumption, only effect. The lamp in my office also dimmed to a small but noticable degree whenever I powered up but I was used to that given the large Tesla coils I often toyed with.

Regarding "bringing you back or getting stuck", I really have no idea. As I originally stated, the unit was never intended for (nor suspected of) transport of a biological structure the size of a human body. I did put my iguana in it to speed him up and slow him down as well as a variety of vegetables and all seemed to come out as I'd hoped. The vege's tended to get moldy and even juicy depending upon how long or how many times they were subject to the unit's field, but the lizard and a couple of ant's and rolly pollies faired well. (I've a phobia about most bugs and so didn't test a wide variety) The iguana did get noticably larger with prolonged exposure but nothing real dramatic. I would just notice he seemed a bit bigger when I put him back in his cage though he did NOT go from 4 inches to 12 or something to that effect, just a small difference noticable from handling him each day. I just thought it was cool to speed them up and slow them down as I wished not realizing the significance.

My guess is that you could build a human sized unit with enough patience and wire.
TB


Posted: Apr 22 2004, 11:41 PM


Hello All!

Sorry for my recent absence, but any rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. (PT Barnum)

Actually I had a major equipment failure and have been called to the "front" and so have been pre-occupied with clearances and such.

Frog, If I understand your question number one, my equipment was not big enough to encompass a whole person and knowing what I know now, I don't believe I'd try sticking only a fist into the unit either...I am rather attached to my fist. All my experiments were from a naive standpoint and I performed many experiments with actual operating equipment. The only one I ever built in fact.

Regarding question two;
Dimensions in any sense are incredibly complicated by the very nature of the question. If there are more than one dimension (we have proven there are) then there must be many. On a similar note, if there are many dimensions, there MUST be many which we cannot percieve just as we cannot "see" infra red or ultra violet photons and yet they undeniably still exist.

If we presume that there are many dimensions and also allow for dimensions which we cannot yet "see" or measure, then we must cede that we have a lack of understanding and thus many "new" discoveries are quite possibly a residual effect of effects of which we are currently ignorant or simply cannot measure.

Case in point...Dark Matter.
Dark matter has actual physical effects upon known celestial bodies and yet we cannot currently "see" it or even define what it might be. If we allow for dimensions which could co-exist with our own, and yet still cannot currently measure or see, then we have at least a potential explanation of "where" dark matter originates.

We tend to see on a very limited number of "planes". Scientists often explain the distortion of our known physical, spacial plane by showing us a planet (usually earth) over "space" (a gridlike representation on a black rubber sheet). We can visually "see" the distortion of lightwaves by a gravitational body as the rubber sheet is pulled from underneath the "space" wherein the planetary body resides thus "warping" the light wave. If we resign ourself to ignorance of our own universe, and look at what happens on the underside of the same rubber sheet (space in another dimension unaware of "earth") we would "see" a gravitational effect which must certainly be caused by matter with it's own density and yet, if we cannot physically "see" the planet causing the distortion, we must find a way to explain the anomaly, ie dark matter. I believe that there exists an infinite number of dimensions

I guess the simplest arguement is "What is happening on the other side of a black hole?". If we can only "see" one end from our own vantage point, the other end must exist somewhere. Another dimension seems the most plausible explaination.

Dakota,
Glad you found this post so late as I only recently returned! I feel your theory is right on the money. There were two opposing fields at right angles! Had I been aware of this when I initiated my tinkering I might be a very dangerous or wealthy person by now.

I also believe that the effects could be duplicated via smaller energy sources but I will offer that the most noticable differences in my unit were affected most dramatically by increased current (amperage). This is not to say that other adjustments did not produce results, only that I did not have the test equipment or foresight to perform more accurate experimentation. Current manipulation was the method which I relied upon for speeding up or slowing down various natural effects. I would only suggest more patience for those using smaller currents.

Incidentally, I ran into someone a few years ago who indicated similar effects using what he called a "basket coil".
TB




posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 08:22 PM
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Could you please post your opinion first and a short summary may be?


[edit on 8/2/2004 by jp1111]



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:26 PM
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Im curious if TimeBender put a living plant in his device to see if it would grow very rapidly.



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:32 PM
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Sure, sorry about that
I tend to post late late late at night when my mind is just starting to shut down...

My opinion of this is that he actually did (accidentally) contruct a machine that could dilate time to such an extent that you could actually see the object decompose, freeze, etc.

I've spent some time researching the subject of time dilation, and it's entirely possible. Everything I've read provides me with no contradictions on TimeBender's story/claim.

Also, TimeBender is (or was, may have disappeared) a fairly respected member of that forum. He'd have no reason to just make this up.

What I'd like to do is find a way to reconstruct this machine. It doesn't sound all that complicated to build.... Especially since he's just a "tinkerer".



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 09:35 PM
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He did put his iguana in there and sped him up/slowed him down. He mentioned somewhere in there that he noticed that it was slightly larger too...

He also put vegetables in there and watched them liquify/decompose within a matter of seconds.

[edit: spelling errors]

[edit on 2-8-2004 by TheHeggy]



posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 10:03 PM
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About the candle,
A candle flame flickers due to the expansion and contraction of air, so somehow his machine caused steady force of air from all sides which could have caused the flame to appear frozen. I don't really know what I'm saying here, but just a thought. Help, any physics majors here? Or may be his machine created vacuum and i don't think a candle flame would flicker in a vacuum. However, a flame doesn't stay lit for a long time without air!

Decomposing vegetables in 30 mins? Sounds unbelievable to me! Thats cutting time of more than 24 hours, is his machine of that high of a capability?
He must have introduced some advanced alien bacteria that are able to do such a fast job, reminds me one of those episodes of X-files!


TheHeggy, do you have some good links about time dilation, i would rather know more about it first than say if its possible or not! I will try google until you post some links.


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posted on Aug, 2 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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Most of the links I found on Google were just generic stuff about it, and then I found this one that actually described what traits time dilation machines might exhibit.... Here it is:

chronos.ws...



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:13 AM
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No thoughts?

I think this machine can be replicated, but we need people who know about this sort of thing. Tesla coils and such....



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 02:41 AM
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The Heggy,
I read your article about "time dilation" and all this fifth-dimensional and temporal phasing stuff about how they can change the time flow around an object. That sounds like it could be possible, but unbelievable, and has all this stuff been proven or tested or is research going on on that?

Btw, where is this TimeBender person now? Is he still working on his machines?



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by TheHeggy
Most of the links I found on Google were just generic stuff about it, and then I found this one that actually described what traits time dilation machines might exhibit.... Here it is:

chronos.ws...


Whats up with this article, its very interesting, but they are talking about the mid 22nd century in the past tense. Saying they managed to create an artificial acceleration field. Bit odd.


From Chronos: Temporal Phasing website
It was not until the early Twenty-second Century that researchers at Chronos Technologies were able to induce an artificial acceleration field within a specified volume, allowing them not only to slow down local time, but also to speed it up.



posted on Aug, 4 2004 @ 10:16 AM
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I find this type of stuff interesting, even though there's no way of telling if it's true.

I did do up a rough diagram for myself - even though I'd probably never consider playing around with a potential accelerated atomic state device.

Here's what I think he's describing. I did read over his postings a few times. Feel free to correct it if you feel it's wrong.




posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 01:06 AM
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Btw, where is this TimeBender person now? Is he still working on his machines?


I've tried PM-ing a couple people on that site asking about him, but haven't heard anything back.



Whats up with this article, its very interesting, but they are talking about the mid 22nd century in the past tense. Saying they managed to create an artificial acceleration field. Bit odd.


WOAH. I totally didn't catch that..... Perhaps they meant the 20th....
Doubtful they'd make a typo like that. I'll try contacting the webmaster and ask about that.



Here's what I think he's describing. I did read over his postings a few times. Feel free to correct it if you feel it's wrong.


That's actually pretty much what I was invisioning in my head... Only I thought the coils were a bit shorter. I don't think TimeBender ever actually said how high the dimensions of his machine were....



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 04:27 AM
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Hrm, could I ask when this surfaced?

I have a sneaky suspicion about this thing. But I'm not going to state what the suspicion is till I have some more information.
The way he talks, the specific expressions he uses, the way he answers to questions, the way he says he made this thing, but doesn't know any science. It all sounds so dejavu.

Please, let me know when this started. On the dates put on the quotes or already before that?



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 04:29 AM
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Edit:
Double goodness :@


[edit on 5-8-2004 by thematrix]



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 06:50 AM
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That's actually pretty much what I was invisioning in my head... Only I thought the coils were a bit shorter. I don't think TimeBender ever actually said how high the dimensions of his machine were....


Yeah, I just guessed dimensions. He doesn't state how many windings etc. Anyone planning to replicate it from his posts would have alot of experimenting to do. There's some important things he doesn't explain, like how he was able to view the inside of the outer coil without potentially entering the field himself.

I did leave out the fact that he was using rotary spark gap oscillator of which he variably controlled the speed. That is obviously an important part for controlling the supposed speed up of the accelerated atomic state.

Who knows though. I'd say such a discovery is more worthy than posting on a web forum. It sounds more like he just wants other people to try it out and see what happens. It would be fairly dangerous experiment though, even without the time dilation aspect. The outer coil is going to be acting as a big solenoid.


edit:

Heh. I just realised something. I overlooked the fact that he said it ran very hot. He could only run it for 30 minutes max. Is it any surprise then that the candle burnt quickly, or that the food decomposed? Sounds more like an oven than a time dilation device.

[edit on 5-8-2004 by electric]



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 08:13 AM
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The matrix: Not thinking John Titor by any chance are you.

That Chronos website is just a fictional site created for people interested in dicussing known theories in Time Travel, not very clever really.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 09:28 AM
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That Chronos website is just a fictional site created for people interested in dicussing known theories in Time Travel, not very clever really.


Ahhh are you serious? I thought I'd found a good little resource there LOL



Heh. I just realised something. I overlooked the fact that he said it ran very hot. He could only run it for 30 minutes max. Is it any surprise then that the candle burnt quickly, or that the food decomposed? Sounds more like an oven than a time dilation device.


But you have to consider that he was able to STOP the candle. He even put his pet iguana in there as well, with no ill effects.



Please, let me know when this started. On the dates put on the quotes or already before that?


As far as I know, the dates shown are when this whole thing started.

This guy built that machine a long time ago when he was in his 20s, and thought that what he was doing was just some little scientific parlor trick that was already well-known....

I think he's done a pretty good job trying to remember how it was built.



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by TheHeggy

Ahhh are you serious? I thought I'd found a good little resource there LOL



You did, but if you want to reduce your credibility....



posted on Aug, 5 2004 @ 10:44 PM
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Yeah, I don't want that!

But you have to admit, the speculation they provide is pretty interesting and would seem to make sense.

I'll find another resource on this... Any help would be appreciated



posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 03:42 AM
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This was quite an interesting site:

Americanantigravity



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