reply to post by gabby2011
It is not a spelling contest and I would not have brought it up. Another thread was started saying that all believers should be taken away by God so
that the good people can fix this place. There is a lot of hate against religious people. There are a lot of fools in the church and false prophets. I
reserve the right to tell them to get out of our churches when they teach the perversion of the word.
The ex-wife's side. Bi-Polar and a mid-life crisis. We had been through a lot, cared for my dad and then another elderly woman, a full time job. She
wanted excitement, short answer. Having said that, adultery is never justified. You can get out of a marriage without commiting adultery in the United
States. When I thought I was going to die, I prayed for them both.
As for God, there is a line in the bible that says many will come to Jesus saying oh, lord and he will say depart from me for I never knew you. That
doesn't sound like everyone who claims to be a believer gets saved. My fight is not with Atheists, it is with those who pretend to be Christians and
are not. I believe Benny Hinn is a scumbag who perverts the truth. Some go into the church just to make money. At the church I attended they did not
pass around the hat and money was never mentioned. Only members contributed or even knew how to.
I believe what Jesus said, Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself and sometimes we all need correcting, it also says that God
corrects the one's he loves. I believe we have done a bad job of routing out miscreants from the church, too many churches are focused on gaining
converts and winning people over. That focus is not what we are told, we need to focus on our hearts and being of service. Because the churches
focused on the wrong things, bad shepherds were allowed in.
Jimmy Swaggert and Jim Baker are good examples of bad Shepherds. Yet, Swaggert was allowed to run his church again because of the money he brought in.
Some people (mainly atheists) have attempted to tell me that I shouldn't take other Christians to task, I see it the exact opposite way. Take them to
task and make it public so that it is clear that we don't agree with them. Some will say that we should do it in private (it begins that way) so that
non-believers won't take it as a reason to continue in their disbelief. The Catholic church should have taken the pedophile priests to jail and
turned them in, in public and not hidden it, that is why so many Catholics are leaving the church.
For those who question the bible and are trying to understand, I say don't start with the bible. It can be very hard to understand even for
believers. It seems to me that non-believers generally get there because someone tried to force them to believe and didn't live it themselves. We are
imperfect. I know I am, I try to do good and still fail sometimes and I never do it perfectly.
Free will and getting to do what you want are not quite the same. We get to choose; but, the choices are sometimes limited. When my father was dying I
had to make choices for him and they were often between two horrible options, there was no good option because they could not save him. Still I got to
There is too much "throw the baby out with the bathwater" talk about religion. More churches and colleges were started by Catholics than any other
group, I am not Catholic; but, I have been in their hospitals. Heck one of my daughters miscarried in one a little while back and they gave her very
good care. People talk about all the jerks in the church, they never mention any of the good that these organizations did. Find me any organization
that doesn't have miscreants.
Oh, I said to not start with the bible. I didn't, I left the church at 12 and did not return till I was 26. I say start with what you know, you know
you are a self aware being, sentience. You know there are other senitient beings. Where did the sentience come from? Then be open to the possibility
there may be a bigger sentience that knows more that we do. We can try and understand it by looking at the progression in the bible, the evolution of
the story. It starts out with us screwing up, says we are imperfect and that we never will be perfect. A tough sell even today.
Tithing. The Israelites chose to not have direct conversations with God, they asked Moses to do it and then they asked for rules and broke them all
immediately and continually. Paul said he was the biggest sinner of all, he knew he wasn't perfect. How can imperfect people possibly give a perfect
answer for God. We justify our actions too much to give a perfect answer. One of the things I argue with Christians over is the belief that some hold
that you must know the name of Jesus to be saved, Moses didn't know his name; but, he knew him because he knew his soul, his way of loving one
another unto death.
I read about Christians who want to go up in the rapture before the end times, I consider them unloving and cowards. It may happen that way; but, if
they truly love others they will want to be here to help out.