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Originally posted by St Udio
so, could ? lets say Cherokee...have been the survivors (ala Roanoke Island counter-part) of a safari-vacation party of humanity...way, way, way,
back in the distant (30,000 BCE) past....voyagers from, lets say India or
asia minor....which itself was near the 'oceania' of today
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by St Udio
so, could ? lets say Cherokee...have been the survivors (ala Roanoke Island counter-part) of a safari-vacation party of humanity...way, way, way,
back in the distant (30,000 BCE) past....voyagers from, lets say India or
asia minor....which itself was near the 'oceania' of today
Possibly... across the Bering land bridge. There's no real artifact "trail" that seems to lead to this. We can trace the American Indians back to the Siberian peninsula some 20,000 years ago or so. It's possible that they migrated upward from Asia/India/Middle East.
But at this point there's no definite link.
Originally posted by St Udio
i perfer the stories, myths of traditions as a basis from which to 'journey' more wider & deeper
like the Cherokee (a name given to the perferred people) being a ciivilized culture when around them were other native stoneage americans
also the east Indian stories, myths, tales, Vedas...having flying vehicles for men ...traveling to the island(western hemisphere?)...now that wouldhave a impact on the accepted migration by lug-&-tug in crude rafts & boatsthat is accepted as the 'correct' history!
Originally posted by Dan West
I know its all mooved along since then but if humans only migrated out of Africa only 100,000 years ago then the only explanation for Javaman approx 2 million y.o. and Peking man approx 2 million y.o. is that they were aliens.
Who were the original inhabitants in the Americas, well from my research it seems to be the Japaneese as The oldest human remains found in the Americas has a closer resemblance to the Japanees than any other living humans
Originally posted by prevx
I'm not talking about the Native Americans, since the accepted theory is that they crossed into N. America by the Bering Strait.
The word 'Keetoowah' is the name my people have always called themselves.The word Cherokee has no meaning in the language of my
people.It is derived from a Muscogan Language, and its meaning is 'inhabitant of the cave country'. The word 'Keetoowah means 'Principal
People'.
The following legend of the Keetoowah people, which dates back to the beginning of time, has been passed orally by each generation.
Upon the creation of the Keetoowah people, the Creator gave them mysterious powers and placed them in large settlement on an island in the (Atlantic)
ocean. There were other tribes on the island which attacked the Keetoowah people. Another tribe watched the fierce fighting from a mountain top. The
leader of the tribe watched the valley ascend toward heaven. The smoke divided into three paths midway in the ascention an eagle was seen holding
three arrows in its claws. The leader asked his warriors if the smoke and eagle were visible to them and they replied they were. The tribal leader
then told his warriors not to attack the Keetoowah people because they were the Creator's people, and they were very powerful. The tribe came down
from the mountain and made friends with the Keetoowah people.
In later years, some of the medicine men of the tribe became selfish and
used their powers to harm their own people. The Creator gave the powers
to the medicine men to be used in the best interest of the people.
Other tribal members prayed to the Creator for direction and the Creator
heard their prayers. The instruction was to move their fire away from the island and the medicine men. After the departure, the island sank
into the ocean.
The people migrated north and settled in the southeastern part of what is now the United States. Many years later, again the medicine men became selfish and committed crimes against their own tribal members. The people gathered to discuss the solution to this problem, and it was decided that seven (7) medicine men, one from each of the seven (7) clans, would would travel to a mountain top and pray. The 7 medicine men went to the mountain top and prayed. Soon a messenger from the Creator appeared and told them the Creator had heard their prayers and had great sympathy for them. The messenger told the medicine men their tribe would be called 'Keetoowah' from that day forward.
my personal interjections (in blue) are not meant to be hypothesis or conjectures....merely interesting (at least to me) speculations...there is not enough substance in Chief John Ross' account/story to actually generate a research or thesis paper on...but as a starting point i may make inquiries into the animals & mammals common to the asia & american continents, which must have used a land bridge or passageway when the oceans were 100-300 meters lower than today.
i just cant see a hemisphere without any humans until the 12,ooo-20,ooo BCE epoch as a most generous 'window' for Clovis migrations...
Originally posted by Byrd I checked his life and know that he was not full-blooded Cherokee and lived more as a White than as a tribesperson.
Originally posted by Dan West
History also shows that the new power in a land often take credit for previous glorries. Another question could be did the Native American Indians write the Vedas
Originally posted by Chakotay
Originally posted by Byrd I checked his life and know that he was not full-blooded Cherokee and lived more as a White than as a tribesperson.
Oh man that is so wrong. Reminds me of a discussion on blood quantum I had with an Elder. He mentioned Chief Ross, and I said Ross was part Cherokee. The old man said, 'Which part? His little finger, or ear maybe? Hand me that glass of water. And that salt shaker. I'll just put in a little now. You drink it. Its only part salt water.' I didn't drink it, and John Ross was no white man. Blood quantum is an American idea, not native. Oh man that is funny
Originally posted by St Udio
living in accordance with nature (Gaia, popularly) in a garden of eden
as-it-were. being nomadic, men did not need to make pottery or cultivate crops (these are signs of advancement?) No these are the
resultant needs/requirements of a lifestyle--from rejecting and being evicted from eden!
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by St Udio
living in accordance with nature (Gaia, popularly) in a garden of eden
as-it-were. being nomadic, men did not need to make pottery or cultivate crops (these are signs of advancement?) No these are the
resultant needs/requirements of a lifestyle--from rejecting and being evicted from eden!
But we find traces of this kind of human being. The Fitch-Dahlen site that I'm working on is one of those... nomadic peoples, living by huntering and gathering, no pottery. We can even get a good estimate of when they were there (how many hundreds of years ago) by a number of methods.
We find the firepits where they cooked meat, the places where they prepared paints and medicines and so on and so forth. They didn't vanish as completely as you might think.
Originally posted by Byrd
WAS he raised in the culture/tribe? I honestly don't know, but I do know that if he wasn't rasied on the lands then his access to some things may be less. I haven't read anything about the differences in the cultures there, but there IS a significant difference in someone living as an "Indian agent" in charge of the tribe on behalf of another government and a tribesmember.
Originally posted by St Udio
alas Byrd, these are findings of recent origin...not of Antiquity !
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-consider- a human bone pile is found in a cave, dated at ~70,ooo BCE,
...the accepted reasoning would be, small family groups migrated here, they lived in caves, yadda yadda...
foundation of premis...it is a universal concept, that mankind had a
beginning in a edenic world...then (entropy) fell into chaos and the
remnants of 'people' had to fashion a world out of hardship &
struggle
,,,,, so there is a fuzzy arena on which to base the proposition
that there were ancient civilizations fluorishing on the western hemisphere
way before columbus, spain, vikings, clovis, kennewicks, retreat of
glaciers. etc
Originally posted by ChakotayJohn Ross was raised in the Old Cherokee Nation, and was immersed in the culture from a young age. Our ancestors (granpas) pass down the following story. "When John Ross was a small boy he was apt to wander the countryside and spend his time in small-boy exploits such as hunting and fishing and playing with his friends.
Originally posted by Pepper
Our Book of Mormon explains who the North American people were and how they got here.