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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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I think it's a real textbook.

Has nothing to do with chemtrails, nor is it acclimatizing children.

It appears to present a case study and then presents questions to discuss pros and cons of the case study.

It's actually encouraging thought on the subject.

Like I said, it seems certain people are being quite disingenuous about all this.




posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus


Like I said, it seems certain people are being quite disingenuous about all this.


Why? What's their angle? Are the selling something? I dont get the motivation at all.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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People are afraid of having their truths challenged.

You can see it here in this very thread, people will not shift from their belief that chemtrails are real, they aren't looking for truth, they're looking for confirmation of their beliefs.

The ends? No idea, some are in it for the money and attention, like Will Thomas and Cliff Carnicon, others are too closed minded to see they're being blindsided by the above mentioned.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:21 AM
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Maybe so, I think it's just weird that a page with such a different format would be on that site. Do you have a more appropriate link that i might glean some info from?

Anyways, heres a choice excerpt from Chemcon911


There are currently three main hypothesis:

Weather Modification


Humans have had the ability to physically affect the weather since learning how to seed clouds in 1946, or possibly 1880. The popular conception of weather manipulation is limited to cloud seeding, but the possibility that the extents of our abilities may have progressed in the meantime is definitely plausible. The fact that the military is very interested in weather control is no secret and many propose that the Chemtrail Phenomena is a part of this. If true, what is the goal of the weather modification and what negative effects could it have on the environment? NASA is currently conducting several programs that are studying the effects of contrails on weather and the effects do not appear to be beneficial. The popular conception of weather manipulation is limited to cloud seeding, but the possibility that the extents of our abilities may have progressed in the meantime is definitely plausible. The fact that the military is very interested in weather control is no secret and many propose that the Chemtrail Phenomena is a part of this. If true, what is the goal of the weather modification and what negative effects could it have on the environment? NASA is currently conducting several programs that are studying the effects of contrails on weather and the effects do not appear to be beneficial.

Emphasis mine, and of course, its not sourced

1880? Really?
en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by Tephra
It's all too common a sight now, the checkered sky, littered with permanent trails, lingering for several hours.


I always thought permanent were, well, permanent... not lingering for hours then going away.

This is just me though.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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I think the chemtrail911 site is just hosting those pages as they don't seem to exist anymore, they provided a link that won't load anymore:

www.cplearning.com...

I would have thought if this textbook was made up it would be a lot more clear cut in it's chemtrailness.

It is odd that there are no scans of the pages in question though...



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:33 AM
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i just want to say for the record, I don't think the forum should be closed down The info i read here is incredibly useful.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:36 AM
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My first thought was they were sloppy in making evidence to support their own claim
If so, wouldn't we have an actual conspiracy? I got excited for a minute.

I still can't find anything on the actual book, just the same old story on Icke's forum and infowars. Still looking though



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Ok, i put this in google "Centre Point Learning Science I Essential Interactions" and all i get are websites with this same article.


Chemtrail Sunscreen Taught In US Schools
by William Thomas

A is for Apple.

B is for Boy.

C is for Chemtrails.

At least this is what one American father found while paging through his child's science book. SmT was astonished to find seventh graders being taught about chemtrails. And geoengineeering their home planet.

Anyone with question about the "spray programs" he now says, "should perhaps just ask their kids."

The chemtrails section is found in the Centre Point Learning Science I Essential Interactions science book. Under "Solutions for Global Warming", section 5.19 features a photo of a big multi-engine jet sporting a familiar orange/red paint scheme.

The caption reads: "Figure 1-- Jet engines running on richer fuel would add particles to the atmosphere to create a sunscreen".

The logo on the plane says: "Particle Air".

"I kid you not," SmT insists. "Why did I spend all of that time doing research when I could have just asked my kids?"

Helping habituate children to a life under lethal sunshine and "protective" spray planes, this trippy textbook urges young readers to "Use Sun Block". But its authors are referring to a sunscreen spread across the sky.

"Could we deliberately add particles to the atmosphere?" asks the text, before helpfully suggesting that "Burning coal adds soot to the air."

You might be old enough to recoil at such a notion. But in a country where down is up and wrong is right, your kids could be learning that what used to be bad and a bummer is a now good thing!

RUNNING ON EMPTY

"Be real interesting to see the politics of the folks putting this out." SmT suggests.

In the current White House, those politics are as "crude" as invading oil-rich Iraq over a bogus nuclear threat - while permitting Pakistan to export atom bomb materials to terrorist organizations in return for the chance at an election-boosting capture of Osama bin Laden by US forces in the Hindu Kush later this month. [New Yorker Mar1/04]

Why shouldn't the same petrol politics produce textbooks for children inheriting a nightmare? Led by a piggish petroleum president, with most major nations cutting back, US oil consumption is rising as steeply as supplies of cheap crude are collapsing.

The coal connection is this: In order to briefly "stretch the glide" of the fast-looming end of cheap oil that will utterly transform life as we know it, America's unelected oil president recently revoked pollution regulations on more than 2,000 of the nation's biggest polluting coal-fired power plants.

Ironically, this move -- like so many others made by an oil-addled White House -- will only hasten an Earthwreck as shattering to all onboard as a lurching square-rigger striking a rocky reef. Except our spaceship is surrounded by the cold, irradiated vacuum of deep space.

It turns out that a single 150-megawatt coal-burning power plant produces more emissions than 300,000 cars. Termed an "Extreme Human health Hazard" by the EPA, microscopic coal particles also rot lungs, stop hearts, kill lakes, choke cities -- and stunt the lives of school kids with deadly sulphuric acid rain. [AP Aug27/03; LA Times Aug28/03]

Airborne soot also blocks sunlight, lowering greenhouse temperatures. Volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Pinatubo -- and globe-circling soot from 1,000 burning oil wells during Desert Storm -- belched enough sulphur into the stratosphere to cause a plunge in world temperatures, temporarily slowing global warming.

World scientists looking at deliberately putting megatons more sulphur into a closed, recirculating atmosphere already smoggy enough to depresses orbiting astronauts, decided that a sulphur sunscreen is not a swift idea.

But not this Jr. High science text. "Creating either kind of sunscreen would be cheap," it tells young readers. As if "cheap" is the only consideration.

Even this claim is bogus. SmT says he looked, but the section on the downstream costs associated with the health and environmental effects of massive coal pollution - or the 10 million tons of a chemical sunscreen suggested by the late Edward Teller -- "seemed to have been left out."

Ditto "the cost to the solar industry". Or cumulative impacts on kids, critters and plants on which our future depends.

DIMMING PROSPECTS

Sunlight is already on the way out. Repeatedly expressing shock at how quickly our space colony's life-support systems are failing, scientists are finding levels of solar radiation reaching the Earth's surface decreasing by almost 3% a decade.

"Global Dimming" is too small to detect with the eye. "But it has implications for everything from climate change to solar power and even the future sustainability of plant photosynthesis," reports the Guardian.

All those jet-propelled vacations and car trips to the corner store add up. Since 1960, 10% less sunlight has reached Earth's inhabitants. Levels of solar radiation reaching parts of the former coal-belching Soviet Union are down almost 20%.

In any greenhouse, the rule of a green thumb is that every 1% decrease in solar radiation results in a 1% drop in plant productivity.

"It's actually quite a big deal," says Graham Farquhar, a climate scientist at the Australian National University in Canberra. But get this: Farquhar doesn't think that identified pollutants, "by themselves would be able to produce this amount of global dimming." [Guardian Dec18/03]

The baffled Aussie should check out the role of contrails in turning off sunlight. Since the Jet Age took off in the 1960s, normal condensation trails from five million jet flights every year have been found to block 10% of sunlight across Europe and the USA. Over heavily trafficked Atlantic and American air-routes, artificial cloud cover caused by jet engine pollutants has increased 20%. [Chemtrails Confirmed '04]

Chemtrails are another major sunblock. Measurements taken with a calibrated photometer by Clifford Carnicom in Santa Fe show a rapid reduction in sunlight -- from a value of 97% on a "clear day" to around 80% during the early stages of heavy chemtrailing. Using a simple UV radiation meter, this reporter has confirmed similar drops in sunlight beneath artificial "chemcasts" on Canada's west coast.

WHAT JANE AND DICK DIDN'T LEARN IN SCHOOL TODAY

In a country whose self-appointed regime routinely censors scientific studies, at least some 7th grade science are more focused on indoctrinating kids with risky techno "quick-fixes" than conscious conservation and common sense.

Forget science. SmT gazed in disbelief at another schoolbook picture showing a helicopter seeding the ocean with iron particles. These desperate "IronX" experiments did indeed trigger plankton "blooms" that, in turn, transferred tons of atmospheric C02 underwater as those carbon-inhaling critters eventually died and sank to the seafloor.

But -- oops! -- his kid's science book fails to mention that the resulting ocean blooms also sucked all available oxygen from the seawater, suffocating all marine life in massive, spreading "dead zones". [Chemtrails Confirmed '04]

Where are the picture, SmT wonders, "of people planting trees, or turning down thermostats, or bicycling, or any of the other ways not to add to the problem?"

Though his family gave up the idea of home schooling, he says, "it's perhaps time to reconsider."

Perhaps it's also time to reconsider state-sponsored brainwashing. And other escalating consequences of our carbon addiction, as well.

www.infowars.com...

All the descriptions start with

The chemtrails section is found in the Centre Point Learning Science I Essential Interactions science book. Under "Solutions for Global ...



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
3 classes of people when it comes to chemtrails.

a. chemtrails are real
b. chemtrails are a fantasy
c. chemtrails could be real but the jury is out in if it's happening, and what they are


Give me a break from your perpetuation of fantasyland… There are three types of arguments presented from usernames here on ATS not three types of “people”.

Argument a. chemtrails are real
Argument b. chemtrails are a fantasy
Argument c. chemtrails could be real but the jury is out in if it's happening, and what they are

But there are two classes of people in the real world outside of your perpetuated fantasyland here on ATS.

a. What are chemtrails
b. Those bastards are spraying us.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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b. Those bastards are spraying us.


You wouldn't happen to have any evidence, would you?

And no, your eyes are not a sufficient source.

Thanks



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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I would just like to say that it's highly unfortunate that people think you can only study the sky via other people's interpretations of the sky. In other words, they say trust the experts ALL the time - deny your own experience (very dis-empowering). As if the experts existed this whole time throughout our evolution. When the big bang happened, an expert was there with a notepad, floating around, just making sure everything was okay, going as planned.... in fact, in the future, we should all consult experts before having children and take all the lethal/lobotomizing mercury-laced vaccines they push, and consult an expert when you want to enjoy the sunset, just so you can know for sure if you're viewing it at the proper angle to FULLY ENJOY IT, as much as possible. You can never be too careful. After all, life must be taken very seriously.

You should exhaust your brain and not ever use your heart. You should ignore scientific evidence like the fact that when some people gets a heart transplant or something like that, they will sometimes acquire the character traits of that doner, even if they never met the person and the person lived all the way across the world. Similarly, ants will do their thing, no matter how far away you take the queen (I think), but as soon as you kill the queen, the other ants get confused and don't know what to do... telepathy. It's not crazy. You already got iphones reading your brainwaves with this special headset. There's already studies that show that plants know if you're about to harm them. They hooked up lie-detectors to the frickin plants. Telepathy. The distinction between the physical world and the mental world was blurred by quantum physics decades ago. It took decades for even the branch of biology to catch up in any significant way (see Dr. Bruce Lipton). So the point is, to wrap this up and remind you that I'm not getting off topic, the point is that these are examples that should get you thinking in a non-dual way, and get you interested in using your HEART, your intuition, because it was a gift that was given to you. Use this gift to exit your self-made prison of denial that is making you leave a trail of destruction. I mean I understand how these ignorant people are at least allowing us to bounce these ideas around, but it's been a while now... I'm really getting sick of this and the other truthers are getting sick of this, and we do trust ourselves more than you give us credit for. The debate should go on as long as it should, but when the "debate" degrades to this level it really makes you wonder how long you want to keep talking to a brick wall.

We got eyes and we've been watching the skies our whole life. You got eyes too but we SOMEHOW come to different conclusions.... I don't know why that is. I've tried to figure it out: how you people can so easily deny the symptoms, the anecdotal evidence, how you can keep calling things like www.corbettreport.com unscientific, and then when I ask "why" or "how so" nobody says anything, I've tried figuring out how you can, without a thought, label people this degrading "chemmies" and whatnot, how you can spend what seems like 10 hours a day demonizing people in this childish way, I've tried to figure out why you're so stubborn... It's ludicrous. Your ignorance is poisoning me and those I love and yet you act like WE are hurting YOU by talking about it. I feel the symptoms. It's not a placebo effect. I know that in my heart. What you are doing (you know who you are) is insulting, but as someone else posted, it serves to get these ideas floating around more and I'm all for that. In that way, it's not insulting. In that way, I can trust the world and allow my flawless style to wreck your smile. But I won't keep talking to a brick wall.

You see, a growing number of people are starting to trust themselves and are seeing the detrimental effects that their "experts" and ever encroaching governments have had on their lives. Mainstream media is dead. Organic food is on the rise. The global warming myth is dying (see Piers Corbyn below).



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo
And no, your eyes are not a sufficient source.


And neither are government operatives



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by GringoViejo
And no, your eyes are not a sufficient source.


And neither are government operatives


So, no evidence then?

Dang. I thought we were going to uncover the mystery of the elusive "chemtrail"

Mods: Instead of getting shut down, I vote this forum be combined with Cryptozoology.

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by GringoViejo
So, no evidence then?


O you'll soon get the evidence.... but for you specifically it will come in the form of not being able to breathe.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by soleprobe

Originally posted by GringoViejo
So, no evidence then?


O you'll soon get the evidence.... but for you specifically it will come in the form of not being able to breathe.




So "chemtrails" are a prediction now?

I just can't keep up with how many things "chemtrails" are supposed to do/be
This is worse then Stargate fan-fiction...


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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:03 AM
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I don't know how you see a chemtrail prediction in that post.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by soleprobe
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I don't know how you see a chemtrail prediction in that post.


Well apparently you see a future in which "chemtrails" actually exist.

Sounds like a prediction to me


Unless you have any evidence to show they currently do exist?



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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Well looking at the source some of you use explains it all. Infowars.com is not even close to being a respectable source. I mean if you actually think Alex Jones has a clue or even any real research into so called chemtrails then enjoy his spewing of something he can use to fearmonger and make money. Alex Jones claims to have all of the gov't documentation to prove his lies yet where are they? He has never shown any evidence in the form of his so called gov't coverup and yet he still claims the evidence is right in front of your faces.


So if you believe everything this man puts in his sham of a forum then so be it, but maybe you should do a bit more research on this man and his claims before you use it as a respected source.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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You already got iphones reading your brainwaves with this special headset. There's already studies that show that plants know if you're about to harm them.


Oh please provide a link to where you found this little bit of info.I have heard some interesting things, but plants know when your about to harm them, so then the landscapers and those who work in that field should be ready for a plant revolution that is coming. Those plants will get there revenge for being harmed by the evil humans. That is going to be an interesting thing to witness.



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