This Forum Should Be Closed Down !

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


I agree totally with you as regards to Alex Jones'
fearmongering of mass depopulation etc.
As I said I don't believe this to be the case !
I do believe they are doing it 'for the right reasons'
whether I believe in climate change or not, the fact is other people
believe something is going on and instead of discussion and debate
we are getting assassinations of character in this forum that is IMO out of order !

reply to post by DJW001


I wasn't one who lobbied for this forum in the first place !
As you said and I agree, the Fragile Earth forum was quite sufficient !

Peace

Here is a thought...if you don't like this forum don't go to it.

I dont like the predictions forum, personally I think it's the worst here because of the crap that ends up there but I just ignore it. It doesn't bother me if others want to read it and contribute.

There are going to be many things people wont like on here but they can't appease everyone! If you don't like something block it out.

Go to the recent posts page and next to a topic in this forum click on the red minus and it will take this forum out of the recent posts feed that way you will never have to see it

reply to post by mblahnikluver


If you are interested in the whole GeoEngineering subject then you can't ignore the forum ?
It's the constant sniping and ridicule thats going on instead of trying to get to the heart of whether there is
or isn't such thing going on ! Evidence is being thrown aside or simply ignored in favour of mud-slinging and
belittling !

Peace !

If the purpose of chemtrails were to protect the earth, TPTB would be boasting instead of denying. So I don't believe it's for a benevolent purpose, esp. since "global warming" is exposed as a hoax.

As another over-50 who remembers blue skies, I agree that there seems to be constant "smog" conditions even far away from cities or highways. Old photos from the 70s show a deep blue sky, very white clouds, and crisp, vibrant colors. Now, things always have a film or haze, as if we're living inside a giant "frosted" lightbulb. And no, I don't have cataracts. :-P

Gradualism is a most effective and successful strategy, on many topics.

Originally posted by ProRipp
reply to post by mblahnikluver

 

If you are interested in the whole GeoEngineering subject then you can't ignore the forum ?
It's the constant sniping and ridicule thats going on instead of trying to get to the heart of whether there is
or isn't such thing going on ! Evidence is being thrown aside or simply ignored in favour of mud-slinging and
belittling !

Peace !

I had never heard of any of this stuff til I joined ATS. I occasionally read this forum but I make my own decisions and ignore the name calling and mud slinging. It's the same in the U/A forum which is my favorite and why I joined ATS. I have just learned to ignore it. The more popular the site gets the more people sign up and the more ignorant the posts seem to be.

If you see this happening use the alert button. God knows I do and I feel like I am being annoying at times but the mods can't be everywhere. If you see mud slinging and such alert the mods that way they know and can keep an eye on the thread It really does work.

reply to post by SaberTruth

If the purpose of chemtrails were to protect the earth, TPTB would be boasting instead of denying. So I don't believe it's for a benevolent purpose, esp. since "global warming" is exposed as a hoax.

As another over-50 who remembers blue skies, I agree that there seems to be constant "smog" conditions even far away from cities or highways. Old photos from the 70s show a deep blue sky, very white clouds, and crisp, vibrant colors. Now, things always have a film or haze, as if we're living inside a giant "frosted" lightbulb. And no, I don't have cataracts. :-P

Have you considered the possibility that the haze (and increasingly violent rains) are caused by increased atmospheric humidity due to global warming?

You adked if the denyers are layughing at you , yes we are we can only explain the waeather so many times and if you don't get it then there's nothing I can do. The only place that chemtrails exist is on the internet. time to move on.

reply to post by SaberTruth


'If the purpose of chemtrails were to protect the earth, TPTB would be boasting instead of denying'

I don't believe they would my friend !
That's the last thing they would do, because if they said 'the trails your seeing are to try and save the planet'
Absolutely NO-ONE would believe them !
They might try and gain credit after the fact in saying 'oh by the way remember those trails ? we saved Earth' !

Just my thoughts !

reply to post by mikellmikell


Instead of laughing why not try and EDUCATE ?
Why take the p1ss ?

Don't chortle behind your hand try and explain to all who question why they have things wrong ?

Peace

Just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's probable.

Someone could say that I set fire to a building. They could prove that I own a lighter, and I have legs to walk up to the building. This doesn't prove I set it on fire. Much more evidence would be needed to convince any sane person.

I would classify myself in the "C" position the earlier poster was talking about. I'm open to the idea, definitely feel it's possible, but have yet to see any proof that makes me believe it's actually happening. All of the supposed reasons for chemtrails have huge gaping holes that are never addressed.

Now IF this is really happening, I think many of the supporters are actually HURTING the argument. Why? Because when people say stuff that obviously doesn't make sense (like getting sick a few hours after seeing chemtrails) it takes away legitimacy from the argument.

I'll make a comparison to the global warming argument. If someone is a staunch supporter of global warming, and they go around saying "I am sure global warming is caused by humans farting" then it would take legitimacy away from the global warming argument, because it's such a silly idea.

If the chemtrail idea was presented in a more logical way, I bet there would be a lot more people open to the idea. But most posts I read are from people who are absolutely certain it's being done, and absolutely certain of WHY it's being done, yet supporters can't even agree among themselves. Then they insult the intelligence of other people that don't believe in it, which causes more people to ignore it.

I want proof. I was a declassified document saying "we have been spraying chemical "X" over this specific state" or something along those lines. Even several credible people coming out with a complete story of WHAT is being sprayed, by WHO, and WHY would give more legitimacy to the argument.

But the argument that chemtrailers use could be used for ANYTHING.

I can say that the USA just nuked England. My proof? Well it's a known fact we own nukes. It's a known fact we can reach England with our Nukes. Someone said we nuked England, therefore we nuked England! That type of logic doesn't work for me.

Originally posted by DJW001
Have you considered the possibility that the haze (and increasingly violent rains) are caused by increased atmospheric humidity due to global warming?

Global warming caused by the sun (it isn't caused by people) could indeed increase humidity. But as there have always been very humid areas on the planet that people can easily tell from pollution/smog, this argument doesn't hold up. This is "smog", not the mist you'd get from mere humidity. Even fairly dry areas can have fog in the morning or evening; we all know what that looks like. But what I'm talking about is dirty, filmy, milky haze.

reply to post by SaberTruth


And why can't that dirty haze just be pollution?

If climate change/global warming is real (as the govts of the world believe) are'nt they going to try and halt it ?
And wouldn't they then look at the quickest and most efficient way to do this ?
Yes !
So in my opinion they would look at existing technology or the closest technology that would need the smallest/minimal and cost effective modification ?

Now lets think.......What could that be ......?

Anyone ?

Geoengineering is a real thing. It isn't science fiction anymore.

This article is a report on an experiment/project done in the desert of Abu Dhabi last year.

Rain storms in the desert

From the article:

For centuries people living in the Middle East have dreamed of turning the sandy desert into land fit for growing crops with fresh water on tap. Now that holy grail is a step closer after scientists employed by the ruler of Abu Dhabi claim to have generated a series of downpours. Fifty rainstorms were created last year in the state's eastern Al Ain region using technology designed to control the weather.

The scientists have been working secretly for United Arab Emirates president Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan. They have been using giant ionisers, shaped like stripped down lampshades on steel poles, to generate fields of negatively charged particles. These promote cloud formation and researchers hoped they could then produce rain. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

I know it's not chemtrails, but this forum should also include actual methods they admit to using. Articles like the one I provided can't be debunked.

reply to post by James1982

Good point-- and it applies to both sides equally. Both sides say "it could be" this or that, both sides provide photos and videos, both sides make silly arguments but some make good ones. Both sides have counter-arguments they can't explain or refute.

My view is that (a) the governments are pathological liars, so (b) cover-ups are both possible and likely, and (c) a good deception always has plausible deniability. Science, like everything else people do, is highly political and scientists can be willing to lie just like governments, so we can't just believe whatever they say either: is the raw data accurate and a reasonable sample? Did the researches come to reasonable conclusions from the data? Was anything deliberately omitted from the report? Did they use any fallacious arguments? Are scientists as gullible as anyone else when presented with fraudulent data from others outside their areas of expertise? We all rely on someone else's word at some point. All I can know is what I've seen myself over many decades.

www.abovetopsecret.com... (thread on patents for geoengineering)

You think the forum should be shutdown? Why? To do so would be an act of censorship. Censorship is bad anywhere, at anytime, for any reason except the legal and moral issues (like kiddy porn and snuff films).
I've seen calls for "chemtrail believers" only threads, and calls for debunkers to not post.
I've rarely seen a debunker call a believer a troll, shill, government agent, disinformationalist, brainwashed, sheeple, Nazi, fascist, murderer, blind or deaf. It is pretty much standard for a debunker to be called these daily. Is it okay only if it comes from believers?

We have a different opinion, for some debunkers here there is also relevent experience that goes back years. If their experience counters your opinion, it is not assissnation of character. It's knowledge that you don't have. Pretty much standard that the word of experts is the truth. If you misunderstand something, and you are corrected, it means there is something you might need to research and learn about.
Learning is denying ignorance; just believing is not.

When I see someone on a chemtrail thread deny chemtrails existence, I go to the members profile and then I look to see what they have recently posted. 9 times out of 10 it's just one post after another in various chemtrail threads.

It's alarming to me to see that there are apparently a good number of ats members who seem to only enjoy reading chemtrail threads and then expressing their disbelief in them......that doesn't sound like an interesting way to pass the time to me....

....seems like either they are not strong in their convictions or possibly there is another motive.

I just wanted to post this because I KNOW there must be an explaination ?

Originally posted by ProRipp

It’s become nothing more than a killzone for the deniers to, assassinate character, belittle and ridicule the people who believe that this phenomenon is real, and are genuinely concerned at the ramifications and effects (if any) on the health of the population !

In my long experience, most chemtrail threads degenerate into character assassination, belittlement and attempts to ridicule anyone who tries to provide actual evidence showing that what people claim to be chemtrails are nothing of the sort And yes, I've been the victim a few times.

If you feel you've been a victim of such behaviour, then report it to the mods. But don't try and come over all Big Brother and curtail free speech and discussion. Chemtrail believers should be permitted to express their concerns and beliefs, even if these are subsequently shown to be unfounded or in error.

It's one way people learn