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Police Chiefs, Prosecutors Oppose Self-Defense Bill

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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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I can not speak for Minnesota.

But in Calif you can carry a concealed firearm on your property(yards included) without a permit. This includes business property.

You also have the right to use deadly force if you are under threat of a death or great bodily harm.

I have had to order trespassers of my property on a number of occasions. and have arrested (citizens arrest)a few.

I always ask then to leave friendly at first. Then order them off if they give me backtalk.

If they still do not leave i will place them under citizens arrest.

If they are carrying off any of my property they get arrested right there and then.

An only if they become violent will they ever know i am packing. When I believe I am in danger of great bodily harm or death is when and only when i draw my weapon.

I have lived a lot in rural areas where response time for the cops was 30 minutes to 2 hours.

I am also a ex federal security officer.

I lived in one small rural town where the local fire department had a special radio code that we could use and one or more of us would roll our small firetruck with the sirens going to run off criminals. The sheriff department was over 40 minutes away. But criminals don't like to stick around when they hear sirens coming there way..




posted on May, 13 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by banandar123
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Not completely sure if this was a true story or not, but I heard that some guy was on the roof of a house he was breaking into, fell through the glass on the roof and broke his back or something, and sued and won for pain and suffering. That's retarded if true, as is your story.


I heard that somewhere too! I can't remember who told me though. I never found out if it was true or not either.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Prosecutors don't want to lose a chance to prosecute. After all they aren't concerned with innocence or justification. They have one job and that's to prosecute whether you're genuinely guilty or not.

Cops of course don't want people starting to realize they don't need the blue gang looking over their shoulders 24/7. The last thing any tyrant wants is for his subjects to figure out he isnt needed.


 
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I agree with you here. I was thinking something along those lines yesterday while I was watching it on the news.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by ANNED
I can not speak for Minnesota.

But in Calif you can carry a concealed firearm on your property(yards included) without a permit. This includes business property.

You also have the right to use deadly force if you are under threat of a death or great bodily harm.

I have had to order trespassers of my property on a number of occasions. and have arrested (citizens arrest)a few.

I always ask then to leave friendly at first. Then order them off if they give me backtalk.

If they still do not leave i will place them under citizens arrest.

If they are carrying off any of my property they get arrested right there and then.

An only if they become violent will they ever know i am packing. When I believe I am in danger of great bodily harm or death is when and only when i draw my weapon.

I have lived a lot in rural areas where response time for the cops was 30 minutes to 2 hours.

I am also a ex federal security officer.

I lived in one small rural town where the local fire department had a special radio code that we could use and one or more of us would roll our small firetruck with the sirens going to run off criminals. The sheriff department was over 40 minutes away. But criminals don't like to stick around when they hear sirens coming there way..


We can only have a gun without a permit on our own property here. Otherwise this is they way it has to go down


Furthermore, it is important to know that the state of Minnesota has a “duty to retreat” in its self defense laws. This means that if you are faced with a threat of danger you must first attempt to retreat. Only when you are unable to retreat or otherwise avoid the danger can you use reasonable force to defend yourself. To claim self defense, you must use only reasonable force and you must have a reasonable belief of danger. This test for reasonableness is not based on what might have happened, but what actually did happened.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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I'm pretty sure it was featured on "1000 Ways to Die" on Spike TV, but I know I heard it before that show even debuted. I might have read it on Snopes, but even if so, I can't remember their true/false verdict if my life depended on it.



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by banandar123
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I'm pretty sure it was featured on "1000 Ways to Die" on Spike TV, but I know I heard it before that show even debuted. I might have read it on Snopes, but even if so, I can't remember their true/false verdict if my life depended on it.

I am watching Liar Liar right now and and the guys secretary just told that story except the guy fell on a knife lol!! So maybe thats where you heard it too?



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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Some Minnesota police chiefs and prosecutors are organizing opposition to a bill that would expand the ability of Minnesotans to use deadly force in self-defense.

Because only GODS.... oops I meant COPS should be able to do so right? Because they are special? Above the law? Above everyone else?

EH COPS, YOU ARE NOT GODS, YOU ARE NOT ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE, YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL.

If cops got the right to use deadly force in self-defense, then so do the general population. Period.



posted on May, 15 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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A quick update on the situation.


ST. PAUL, Minn. -- The Minnesota House has passed a bill that expands the rights of people to defend themselves if they feel they are in imminent danger. The House passed the bill 79-50 on Saturday night.

The bill has drawn the ire of gun-control advocates and is opposed by a number of chiefs of police and prosecutors around the state. A spokesman for Gov. Mark Dayton says the governor is likely to take that opposition into account.

The state Senate has not yet voted on the bill.


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