After Serving Two Tours in Iraq, Ex Marine is Killed in Own Home by SWAT Team

Oh good grief. They didn't just BURST IN, and fire away. He had ample warning, his wife KNEW they were there, and unless she can't understand the english language OR read english, which seems to be an increasing problem in the US...she KNEW they were police. IN ADDITION, they beat on the door, had giant shields that read POLICE, had SIRENS, YELLED POLICE, and well ANYONE could have known that a giant group of men dressed in black with a SWAT van labelled SWAT, and wearing SWAT uniforms, and sirens, and swat gear, were in fact SWAT!

The soliders death is terrible of course, but he chose to greet this group of men while holding a high powered gun.

If you HAVE to blame someone, blame the people that are coming into Arizona from Mexico, drug cartels etc that are literally killed DOZENS of people every week, often more. Mass graves of 30 people found almost every other week, heads cut off, tunnels dug under the border, ENTIRE mexican towns fleeing their own homes from the drug lord of Mexico..and it's ALL spilling over the border. If you were SWAT out on a drug call, and after due dilligence, were met at the door by a man with a machine gun, what would YOU do?

Not positive of his heritage, but thank god he wasn't black or we'd be hearing how this was racist too.

Or maybe people who do not live along the US borders understand the USA is actually being FORCED to fight a war with criminals, well armed criminals, para military trained criminals who want drug $$$$ and we have to fight this war with civility, while our enemies kill officers, agents, civilians, you name it. Ranchers find decapitated Mexicans, raped women killed and tied to trees, etc, but as always people choose to look past the FACTS and make up their own alternate Universe, in order to pass judgement on the US or the Government, or Law enforcement, etc etc.

Oh and EMS were not let in because, well, the Police were there on a drug call, and were met at the door by a man with a machine gun. They HAD to clear the house before letting in anyone else, because the fact is, nobody knew who might be in the next room with guns, in the attic with guns, even hiding under the BABY CRIB, with guns, because that happens all the time.

Originally posted by TheArchaeologist

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If you HAVE to blame someone, blame the people that are coming into Arizona from Mexico, drug cartels etc that are literally killed DOZENS of people every week, often more. Mass graves of 30 people found almost every other week, heads cut off, tunnels dug under the border, ENTIRE mexican towns fleeing their own homes from the drug lord of Mexico..and it's ALL spilling over the border.

Unfortunatly we are finding out that these drug cartels are run by police on both sides of the border. So a uniform does not really mean that the wearer will obey any laws.

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Apparently you have no clue what a machine gun is.....


This is a machine gun.

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Oh, I'm so glad you were there to witness it all and give us the play by play.

This man was gunned down for no reason and there's no excuse you can make for these Juiced up cops murdering somebody in his own home in cold blood. 71 rounds fired? Are you kidding me? And no drugs found. Huh, isn't that funny? You think the dirty ass cops would have at least planted something. I just hope the millions his family gets from the lawsuit helps to pay for his fatherless children to have a half decent life.

They then stood by and let this man die for no reason. Hey, genius, it doesn't take over an hour to clear a house!!

And by the way, a semi-automatic AR is in no way a machine gun.

Originally posted by deesul69
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Oh, I'm so glad you were there to witness it all and give us the play by play.

This man was gunned down for no reason and there's no excuse you can make for these Juiced up cops murdering somebody in his own home in cold blood. 71 rounds fired? Are you kidding me? And no drugs found. Huh, isn't that funny? You think the dirty ass cops would have at least planted something. I just hope the millions his family gets from the lawsuit helps to pay for his fatherless children to have a half decent life.

They then stood by and let this man die for no reason. Hey, genius, it doesn't take over an hour to clear a house!!

And by the way, a semi-automatic AR is in no way a machine gun.

I was not there, but by virtue of video, I (and anyone else with a TV and/or computer) did see what happened BEFORE they went in, and they clearly yelled, waited, yelled banged on the door etc.
The article that leads this thread, that the OP posted is CLEARLY inflammatory inasmuch as it leaves out any and all information that explains both sides correctly.

As far as the AR-15... I am sure when you breach a door and in the instant you are able to see, you see a man holding the same gun the SWAT teams are carrying ( in this case an AR-15) you would think, oh that's "just" an AR-15. Yeah, right.

Additionally AR-15's are not your garden variety guns even in their stock state. Not to mention they also are easily upgraded, and easily converted to M-16...yes I am sure you would stand there and say hello.

Either way,those who are convinced the police are out to get us will continue to do so, and those who do acknowledge that some police are corrupt but also acknowledge that most are not, will have the benefit of the doubt, especially when there is video of the situation.

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Well, the "helmet cam" video shows the siren that sounds like a car alarm go off a few seconds before they rammed the door and started shooting. Hell, the guy outside couldn't wait to draw his gun and fire wildly into the home through a doorway. Never once did I hear a command to stop, drop the weapon, police, before the barrage of 71 shots started.

If my wife said there were masked men outside and I heard a car alarm, there would be a similar response from me, too. Especially if I was innocent. If this man had drugs in his house, he would have expected a raid, and would have been flushing his $hit, not thinking it was a home invasion and attempting to protect his family.

I don't think all police are evil and out to get us, my community has some great police officers, who are very respectful and helpful. Not like these raging lunatics in the video!! It's horrible what happened to this man and his family. And I still don't see any reason why they stood by and let him die while an EMT team was on the scene. Hell, they could have carried him out to the ambulance if they were worried about clearing the house. Those bastards just didn't want him on the witness stand.

These situations are what tasers are for. Not little old ladies or skinny college kids.

I think the day they start arming SWAT with tasers is the day there isn't a swat team anymore.

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The sooner the better then!

So let's summarize events:
1. ex-Marine returns home from the graveyard shift at his second job in a mine and plops down in bed.
2. SWAT rolls up to serve a search warrant. This is important: SEARCH warrant.
3. Wife, who lost two cousins not long ago to a violent entry, hears the beating on the door and wakes hubby up.
4. He tells her to get in the closet and lay down, grabs his rifle, and rushes to the front door.
5. As he rounds the corner, the SWAT team, who have not yet set foot in the door, open fire.
6. 71 rounds (but only 22 hits) later, they call for backup while the wife calls 911.
7. Medical unit arrives, but is kept outside waiting for an hour and a half.
8. The man is pronounced dead and the medical unit leaves without ever having so much as seen him.

Here are my points:
1. Obviously, there wasn't any surveillance of the premises, otherwise they would have known this.
2. If you assign a SWAT team to meet & greet, then it's because there is some suspicion that the premises contains volatile evidence and that the evidence will be destroyed by the individuals involved should a normal search warrant be issued.
3. Did the husband really have any other choice in the matter? He did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do. Respect him for his willingness to defend his family and his property with his life.
4. These are the actions of someone who expects there to be shooting, and is stepping up to the plate and protecting his family. Honor him for his level-headed direction to his panicking wife.
5. They never entered the door. I cannot count the number of knock-knocks I've done, and this screams one thing: incompetence. We've already established that this was a search warrant, not an arrest warrant, and the parameters surrounding the search warrant. So surprise and speed were absolutely vital, were this a legitimate search and seizure, but they took their bloody time entering. Absolutely incompetent.
6. Seriously? 71 rounds? The ONLY reason that you would fire 71 rounds is because you are (A) completely incompetent, know it, and want to make up for your lack of marksmanship by spraying so many rounds that you could have spelled out the guy's name in machinegun fire on the side of Safeway. Were I executing this knock, it would have been a *knock* followed by a rush, followed by a two-round burst, and we would have continued clearing the ENTIRE building while administering first aid and calling for medical aid.
7. By this time, they have effectively murdered the guy. This needed to be a surprise and speed operation, but instead they waited so long that whatever evidence they were looking for could have been destroyed by a mentally-handicapped quadriplegic 4-year-old on Valium.
8. Who pronounced him dead?

So the SWAT got a search warrant for a home they had no surveillance on, had no idea what they were getting into or why, were incapable of performing their duty when the time came, proved at every single point in the game that they were utterly incompetent and shouldn't be on a SWAT team, and likely shouldn't even be on the police force if for no other reason than their inability to hit what they are aiming at. Then they reinforced all of that by backing out and waiting for backup like a bunch of utter fools consumed only by cowardice.

Our country is becoming more f*****g pathetic everyday

Originally posted by blaze92
Our country is becoming more f*****g pathetic everyday

Agreed. The amount of people blindly believing only one side of the story here are not exactly a testament to critical thinking skills.

Originally posted by deesul69
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Well, the "helmet cam" video shows the siren that sounds like a car alarm go off a few seconds before they rammed the door and started shooting.

What a wildly inaccurate telling of events.

feel free to review the video.

it does NOT sound like a 'car alarm'. it sounds like a police siren. because it is one.

it is more than a 'few' seconds, as 'few' generally means two.

they did not just ram the door down and start shooting.

did you actually watch the video?

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None of those specifics matter to those who have concluded that this guy is some kind of 'hero' and ignore all actually facts.

This might go a long way towards explaining why SWAT was so quick on the trigger when confronted by an armed Guerena:

During a briefing before the warrants were served, records show, detectives told SWAT team members the two Guerena brothers and Celaya were associated with a double homicide related to a home invasion.

azstarnet.com...

I suspect when it's all said and done we're, at least the ones without tin foil hats, going to find out this was a very bad dude.

heres the deal, straight up, if it gets to the point where there is no hope left, all you have to lose is nothing, and people will revolt against such things, and yes the loss may be great but the effort will have not been in vain because people will see the travesty that is infront of them, it is not fair that such a thing should come to pass, but if something good comes out of a tragic hopeless effort to defend ones rights as a human being, not in relation to any given country but as a human being on planet earth, and the people that remain fail to see the wrong doings...then i would be glad to not live in a such a world...so basically...the talk and fear of it possibly happening is unnecessary, the action and bravery if it does happen is...who would really be willing to do so?...this is a very tragic example of things that may come...who would honestly defend against it all.

Originally posted by wasco2

During a briefing before the warrants were served, records show, detectives told SWAT team members the two Guerena brothers and Celaya were associated with a double homicide related to a home invasion.

azstarnet.com...

I'm thinking that everyone who has posted in this thread so far should read this article. It sheds a LOT of light on why a SWAT team was used, why they were ready to shoot back, and why his house was raided at all.

I'm also sure no one here will be surprised by this and it will spawn another round of anti-police rhetoric:


Arizona SWAT Team Cleared in Former Marine's Killing

abcnews.go.com...


Oh, and this might be interesting too:

www.kvoa.com...

Sorry for necroposting but I was very involved in this discussion on a military special operations board and there is more to it than just they kicked in a door and shot him. That being said:

There is no need to execute a search warrant while the homeowner is there or the structure is otherwise occupied.
There is no need for them to force entry when confronted by an armed homeowner
My old SOP from my ERT days was to retreat, set up a perimeter, contain the subject and begin negotiations (unless fired upon) if possible
SWAT / ERT deployments are becoming the norm rather than the exception

Now in this particular case I have never, in my entire military and police career seen a more effed up, tore up from the floor up, incompetent, untrained and Mickey Mouse outfit than these yahoos.

This can be used as an example of how NOT to conduct high risk entry. FFS one a$$hat was firing his pistol over the heads of the other officers without having clue 1 what he was shooting at! This REALLY gets my blood boiling.

Then again this department is headed by the guy who said Rush Limbaugh was responsible for Ms. Giffords et. al. getting shot despite the shooter being a socialist/leftist adherent. If the boss is tore up- so is the organization.

Since the thread was resurrected I'll post this:

"Stolen assault rifle found in home of ex-Marine killed by SWAT"

www.kold.com...


It's getting harder and harder to believe this was just a simple former Marine brutally shot by SWAT for no reason.