Are con-artists searching for targets on forums like ats? Do you think it could never happen to you? I hope when it does you are smart enough to
recognize it. My paranoid and causious mind saved me from loosing money today... and probably more in the future.
Here is what happened to me today:
At noon today, I was working alone in my store, an Indian looking man wearing a tulband walks up to me. Without asking for permission he starts
telling me personal information about myself, then he pauses and explains that he is a “Yogi” and he can make 'good things' happen for me.
(being of the paranoid kind, alarm bells immediately went off in my head, but my curiosity let him continue). He spoke in bad English, not dutch which
is the language in my country.
-First he read my energy and tells me some more personal information (will go into depth on that below)
-Then he shows me a black and white picture of a meditating group of men and asks me to count 'how many young and how many old men are in that
picture'? I count them and tell him I see 11 old men and 4 young men. He said he was just testing my 'knowledge'. Then he shows me a picture of an
old Yogi and explained that it was his mentor.
-Next he starts writing on a small piece of paper and then folds it and asks me to hold it in my fist very tight. He asks me questions and I have to
write down the answers.
First questions where: my name, age, husbands age, random nr.
I write down: “
my name, 34, 40, 8”
He tells me to look at the paper in my hand, I fold it open and it reads:
“name, 34, 40, 8”
He starts writing again, repeating the above, I hold the paper in my hand, he asks questions:
random color, kind and amount of pet, names of two best friends. I write:
“ blue, 3 cats, S**** and B**** ”. Then I look at the paper in my hand and it had the same answers on them.
I was quite amazed by this “trick” but still cautious.
Next he pulls out an envelope and asks me to put 50 euro in it so he can perform a good ritual for me. I told him I was not going to give him a cent
because I didn't believe for a second that what he did was genuine! We ended up having a heated discussion. Before he left he told me that he was
going to do a good ritual for me and that in august I would receive the most 'good luck' I had ever received in my life, then in September he would
come back because I will want to give him money after I seen the truth in August. He gave me a plastic 'good luck charm' andleft and that was
I spend the whole day trying to explain what he did:
He could have gotten my name from looking up my store, my and my husbands ages are easy to find as well. The nr 8 is probably something psychological?
Like a nr that most people would pick? Same for the color blue.
He knew that I have 3 cats
and he knew the names of my two offline best friends, which is very odd.
Then the personal information he kept giving me:
He knew that I recently helped my mother with her financial issues.
He knew that I was in the hospital in late 2010.
He knew about my career change in 2009.
He knew that I had trouble with my sister and that our bound was broken
He knew that the job I do is one I really can't handle and that lately I only work when I'm needed (and he suggested to find another job because
this one is not right for me... he was right on the spot)
he mentioned that my biggest bad habit was that I couldn't keep my secrets secret and that I always mention to much to others.
He knew that I felt like I am always helping others but no one is helping me.
Besides all that he repeated word for word a personal conversation that I had in the car with my husband two days prior (that I'm not going to repeat
here because of the very personal nature of it)
And he concluded with telling me that my sister wished bad things up on me and that I should not tell her about meeting the Yogi, it was our secret
that I must keep.
When he left the store I picked up the phone to call.... my sister.... to find out that “suddenly” the stores phone was magically unplugged. (I
used it right before he walked in and it was plugged in fine then... besides that I have never unplugged my phone by accident in all the years I run
He also knew I was going to be alone in that store today so he knew my work shedule.
This evening I have called up everyone I could think off and asked them if anyone asked for personal information about me, or maybe they mentioned
something to someone.... all of them said 'no'.
I've been thinking about how he could have known all that stuff, since most of it are things I never discussed outside my own family.
And then it hit me. I did never mention anything about that offline BUT I did mention all of it right here on ATS.
I wrote about my mothers suicide attempt and how I decided to pay off her financial depths, (no one else but me, husband, mother and sister knows
about this). The money transfer is so recent that he couldn't have gotten the info from bank papers.
I wrote about the problems I had with my sister, (only me and sister know the details)
I wrote about how work is getting really hard on me and how I'd rather be doing something else, (no one knows , I only ranted about it on this forum,
my husband knows some of it)
I wrote about the hospital in 2010 and the career change in 2009,
and I wrote (ranted) about how I'm always helping out others and how there is no one for me when I need help (something I never spoke out loud,
except doing a topic about that on ats)
Maybe I do mention things on the board that I don't mention to people offline to easily and to often, it's because of the anonymity of a nickname...
and my nickname is nowhere linked to my real name. I always make sure that when I write about my experiences they have no link to my offline life. or
so I thought.
For a long time Ats is the only forum I am active in, I don't keep a blog or share my experiences elsewhere but here and I'm SURE I never mentioned
most of the above to strangers.
I trust my family, they did not give this info to anyone. So I'm pretty much convinced that the info he had on me, he got it right here on these
boards. It still remains a mystery to me how he could have linked it to my offline person. Or maybe I just became increadible paranoid but I can't
find another explenation. Or maybe he targetted my offline person first and then find my posts on ats? It's another option....
My best friend B**** says that the trick with the notes is just a magic trick and that he really didn't know the answers before I wrote them down,
he only created the illusion. He didn't know how exactly the trick works but it should be a rather famous one. Still that doesn't explain how he
gotten all that other information, including the very personal conversation I had with my husband in the car.
I know that, if I'm right and he got the info here, then ATS is not to blame here.
But watch out for any Yogi Illusionist that approaches you because if there is someone looking for info on ats they might make victims. Hope you all
are as paranoid as me and show them where the door is asap! Don't be fooled and certainly don't give them money.
So, any thoughts on this are appreciated. And I really like to know how that 'magic trick' with the notes works
You know what bugs me most of all? That someone thought I was just another naïve person who would buy all this crap without thinking twice! Now that
really bugs me
I probably posted this in the wrong forum, so please move if I did. Didn't know where it would fit best but since it involves con artists I figured
'conspiracies' would be ok.