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Topic started on 1-8-2004 @ 09:20 PM by Hellmutt
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A 47-year old Japanese just went on a killing rampage.
Four men and three women were found stabbed to death early Monday morning at two homes in Kakogawa. Another woman seriously wounded. Suspect held.
home.kyodo.co.jp
A 47-year-old man taken into police custody after causing a car accident nearby told police officers he had stabbed people with a knife. The seven
were found dead at around 3:30 a.m. The police said they believe the man stabbed the eight, set fire to his home and fled the scene by car.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Tragic, thatīs all I can say...
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[edit on 2004/8/1 by Hellmutt]
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reply posted on 1-8-2004 @ 09:37 PM by ShadowXIX
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More proof that people will find ways to kill other people even if they cant get their hands on guns. A good old knife can do the job all the same.
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reply posted on 2-8-2004 @ 04:31 AM by shoo
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Reminds me of "Falling down".
As a sidenote, that's what the stressing japanese work culture leads to:
www.washingtontimes.com...
Tokyo, Japan, Jul. 22 (UPI) -- Japan's suicide rate rose to a record 34,427 in 2003, exceeding 30,000 for the sixth straight year, the National
Policy Agency reported Friday

I take a guess and predict the guy will be found dead, killed by himself.
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reply posted on 6-8-2004 @ 06:47 AM by Hellmutt
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Maybe he have seen too many violent japanese horrormovies?
Actually, Iīll stick to that stress in the workplace-theory...
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reply posted on 6-8-2004 @ 07:58 PM by Hellmutt
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Itīs not only in Japan people go crazy with knives these days...
Is there a pattern?
www.aftenposten.no...
"Stabbing spree stuns Oslo
At least six persons were stabbed late Tuesday afternoon both on and near one of the city's public transit trams as it rolled through the Bislett
area of Oslo. One of the victims died of the stab wounds, while at least one other was seriously injured"..."Witnesses said a man suddenly went amok
and attacked around six persons on the tram as it travelled..."
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reply posted on 7-8-2004 @ 06:03 PM by ThePrankMonkey
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ban all knives! knives are evil! knives kill people!
sound rediculous? sound absurd? doesnt sound silly when you replace knife with gun for some people. in fact it makes perfect sense.
ban pencils! ban knives! ban anything with an edge or a point! it can kill people and these inanimate objects are evil! they kill people!
although i notice the headline. HE kill 7 people with a knive. not "knife goes on a killing rampage and claims 7 victims"
im not a gun freak but i think this shows more than guns can be used to kill people.
in fact i've been hearing about more murders with weapons other than guns lately. its like a trend...or maybe a reflection of things that are
happening. with no gun to use they look to something else to use.
or he was cutting carrots and felt like having a psychotic episode.
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reply posted on 7-8-2004 @ 09:48 PM by ShadowXIX
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Good point ThePrankMonkey if they banned knives people would just use a axe or a hammer. I seen cases of people killed with rocks or bricks if people
want to really kill someone they will always find a way to do it.
ps. I think there was a killing in England recently were a kid killed another kid with a hammer and they blamed it on the video game Man Hunt. People
want to ban the game and they have in some stores already. Why not ban hammers while there at it
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reply posted on 7-8-2004 @ 09:52 PM by JCMinJapan
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Forget about banning items.... Let`s just ban HUMANS....... I mean if we banned rocks, pensils, rope, or anything for that matter. These people
would still kill with their hands, feet, or anything that it took. The only way to solve this is to ban HUMANS!
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reply posted on 7-8-2004 @ 09:57 PM by curme
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Come on now. Couldn't you argue with a knife, he only killed 7, but with a gun he could of killed far more? Yes, he could of killed someone with a
hammer, but a hammer is used on nails. A knife, in the kitchen. An axe to cut tress. Bricks to build houses. A gun.... um.... what's a gun used for
again?
I'm just saying guns are a very complex subject, and shouldn't be oversimplified with analogies.
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reply posted on 7-8-2004 @ 10:42 PM by ShadowXIX
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I go target shooting with my guns that does not kill anything except paper targets so maybe it kill trees but so do books in that case.. Then you have
hunting, self defense. A gun has uses just like any other tool.
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reply posted on 9-8-2004 @ 01:12 AM by Hellmutt
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I donīt think banning anything will help.
There will always be something around that could be used as a weapon.
These events is a symptom.
Cure the disease.
But first we have to find out why these people go crazy...
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reply posted on 9-8-2004 @ 05:27 PM by James the Lesser
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Wow, the guy used a knife. Well, better than the guy who used a axe to kill 9 people in Ontario. Or the woman who ran her husband over with a car to
kill him. Should we ban axes and cars?
Well, as the guy said, you say Knives evil, knives kill people, ban knives! People think you crazy, but if you replace knife with gun, people support
you.
Edited-Screwed up on one item.
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reply posted on 9-8-2004 @ 07:43 PM by upuaut
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Originally posted by curme
Come on now. Couldn't you argue with a knife, he only killed 7, but with a gun he could of killed far more? Yes, he could of killed someone with a
hammer, but a hammer is used on nails. A knife, in the kitchen. An axe to cut tress. Bricks to build houses. A gun.... um.... what's a gun used for
again?
I'm just saying guns are a very complex subject, and shouldn't be oversimplified with analogies. 
I agree one hundred percent. These arguments are far too simplistic. They ignore the efficiency of the various tools. Guns are far more efficient
killing ustensils and that needs to be taken into account in legislating their availibility or lack thereof. To evade this obvious point traps the
debate on a very superficial and uninteresting level.
Suitcase nukes are even more efficient killers, hence the reason why the world tends to frown upon their availibility to the general public...
Relating to the topic of the thread: I have noticed that thses stabbing rampages seem to occur more often than else where in Japan... I don't know
if it is an artifact of my perception, or of the news media. But if you asked me where I have heard most bizarre stabbing rampages as originating
from, I would say Japan.
Perhaps if they were culturally partial to firearms the way Americans are, they would be shooting killings instead...
U.
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reply posted on 10-8-2004 @ 01:39 AM by Hellmutt
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Originally posted by upuaut
But if you asked me where I have heard most bizarre stabbing rampages as originating from, I would say Japan.
Perhaps if they were culturally partial to firearms the way Americans are, they would be shooting killings instead... 
Iīve heard about several incidents in other countries where a samurai-sword has been used as weapon. This guy however used "a knife". The article
doesnīt mention the size of the "knife" though. I assume it would be difficult to kill so many people using a kitchen knife. Maybe it was just bad
translation, maybe it really was a samurai-sword? I canīt read japanese...
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reply posted on 10-8-2004 @ 01:28 PM by James the Lesser
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Well, a gun isn't as efficent as you think. A small hole compared to a 9 inch slash or a big stab wound. Only thing a gun gives you is distance.
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reply posted on 10-8-2004 @ 04:52 PM by upuaut
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Well, a gun isn't as efficent as you think. A small hole compared to a 9 inch slash or a big stab wound. Only thing a gun gives you is distance.

Yes, which is a particularly significant advantage.
Efficiency should be judged by rate of casualty, and it is undeniable that a gun will tend to kill or fatally wound more people in less time than a
knife.
Particularly if you are talking about automatic firearms.
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reply posted on 22-8-2004 @ 10:41 PM by Hellmutt
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It seems like the guy who went crazy in Oslo was from Somalia.
Might explane it.
If they are in danger of being thrown out of the country,
they go and do something crazy like this.
And then they get at least 10 years in jail.
A jail-life which might be luxury for them compared to the option.
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reply posted on 23-8-2004 @ 12:13 AM by bunkbuster
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Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
im not a gun freak but i think this shows more than guns can be used to kill people.
in fact i've been hearing about more murders with weapons other than guns lately. its like a trend...or maybe a reflection of things that are
happening. with no gun to use they look to something else to use.

vedddy eeeenteresting....
well, first off, it feeds the fear machine - justifies a police state security apparatus to protect us from lunatic sushi chefs...
and second, it does de-throne the firearm as the ultimate lethal weapon, making the public feel less helpless when we're no longer allowed to have
em.
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reply posted on 9-9-2004 @ 05:42 PM by Hellmutt
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Well,
As for guns vs. knifes...
I just heard that a dog managed to shoot a man.
Dog uses gun to save her pups!
"A man who tried to shoot seven puppies was shot himself when one of the dogs put its paw on the revolver's trigger."
I doubt any dog will ever be able to stab anyone with a knife.
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