reply to post by ChrisCrikey
Have you ever worked for the government?. Many government jobs are make work and as such only create needless work to keep busy.
I spent over 20 years in the private sector in the IT industry. My company went out of business and I took a job at the state. Here are a few things I
observed in the 9 months I worked there. I left because I could not take the environment and what simply amounts to waste.
- the team I managed at the state was roughly 60% over staffed vs. the private sector
- despite the over staffing, the work was of far less quality
- I was told by team members not to give them work. that they were civil service and would do what they wanted to do. They might do the assignment if
they felt like it. One gent (around 50) actually told me "listen hot shot, I've been collecting a pay check here for almost 30 years and I'll do
what I want". This dude was only about 5 years older than me.
- In speaking with my boss about the above I was told simply to not give them anything to so. It was not worth the pain and suffering to deal with the
union, and that I would wind up spending more time dealing with that than doing my job.
- deadlines are out the _ A project that would take 6 months in the private sector took well over a year with the state
- third party providers were not held accountable for work and absolutely did work of a level of quality that ensured rework and additonal fees. In
the private sector, they would be fired, held accountable, period. No body managing these contractors seemed to care.
- the talented folks that were there, those who actually did the work hated their jobs. They hated them because there was little if any merit pay.
Every one got the same raise regardless of skills, work effort or dedication. Not only that, when there was a cut-back it was based on seniority so
the good folks were the ones to get cut.
- despite the fact that training was available to all team members, over half of them never took training. They refused to, so their skills were not
updated (on purpose) making it impractical, if not impossible to give them any assignments with current technology. If you needed some COBOL code,
they might have been good, if they chose to do the work
- the turnover was extremely high among the talented staff. They did not want to be on a team of losers
- the amount of worthless paperwork and triple checking of forms was actually funny
there is no way that you would have these folks working for your company, no way. There is no way that they would survive 6 months in the private
sector and probably no way based on their attitudes and skills that they would get hired in the first place
After about 9 months of trying to get something done and to turn the team around, I left and went back to the private sector. I got tired of my boss
telling be to "get with the culture" and ask me why I was still in the office at 5:30 and that I was working too many hours and that that schedule
was counter-culture. I went to the 7-3 schedule - (this was a well paying salaried position) and used the afternoon to get a job.
Anyone who wants to suggest that there is no difference between the quality and contribution of employees in the public or private sectors has not
worked in both. To suggest that the public should be paying for "job security" is nonsense. Does that mean that there are not critical functions
within the government? No. Does that mean that there are not extremely talented and dedicated folks who choose government service and take less
compensation out of a desire to serve their communities? No. There are tons of them. Does that mean that the average government worker is
"vital" to society as the President suggests? Absolutely not.
I stand by my earlier comment. If half of the folks who work for the government simply stopped coming to work tomorrow, nobody would notice.