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in the short time i've been on ATS i've seen multiple 'headlines' that read like they were penned by staff writers of The National Enquirer or other sensational, overblown tabloid publications.
Originally posted by YourPopRock
To quote the late Carl Sagan "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
To quote ATS "Deny Ignorance".
So ATS, what has happened?
I have seen more and more threads lately where members spew out all kinds of fantastic claims. When these members are met with questions about their amazing and often outlandish claims, they are met with a "well then prove me wrong" mentality.
What has happened on ATS to cause this shift in the direction of the site?
I was a long time lurker (think years) before finally becoming a member, and I recall ATS having a higher standard than the other sites out there. I remember the old time members not standing for the "make insane claims backed up with no evidence then require any challengers to prove me wrong" attitudes.
ATS, I am dissapoint!
Originally posted by Tephra
Extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary amounts of money.
Originally posted by miniatus
Perhaps true in some cases, if not most cases.. but I'd be willing to listen to someone post a fantastic claim if they were humble enough to admit it's a theory without any facts .. be willing to accept criticism for making such a claim and be willing to thoughtfully consider plausible explanations in the meantime.. instead the usual scenario is someone posting an extraordinary claim and then battling anyone who thinks to the contrary.. if you don't agree you must not get it or you've let 'the man' brain wash you.
Originally posted by Phantom traveller
Ok i agree with you.
But i'll play the devil's advocate here:
Sometimes extraordinary ideas or claims must come out,whether evidence exist or not.Through debate and not trolling or name calling people can create a new theory which in time might bring the evidence everyone is asking for or debunk the claim.
Remember there is no such thing as stupid ideas.
If we supress ideas we are no better than the priests in the dark ages.Ideas must circulate you never know when you will find the next breakthrough.
There are some members that i must admit they do have a strong imagination and their ideas are so far fetched that it's hard to follow.If we are not free to express all the thoughts we have here,then what is the point of being memebers at all.
To all the above i exclude troll and hoax threads.
And since we are quoting people here:
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.
No idea is so outlandish that it should not be considered with a searching but at the same time a steady eye.
A person with a new idea is a crank until the idea succeeds.
Originally posted by YourPopRock
I have been in enough threads where I was outright challenged to prove the op wrong on what he was saying...
When what he was saying was based on God knows what.
That is my point, be prepared to back up your claims with evidence, or at least be ready to explain how you came to the conclusion you came to.
It saddens me to see that just go unchecked.
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
I've also noticed something else, not sure if I'm seeing too much into it, but I've noticed people will come and make some outrageous claim like the sun is no longer producing light in the red spectrum. they claim the sun is "too white". now of course after reading this I start googling and I don't find much about this at all, anywhere. when I get back to the thread I see like 25 people all saying almost verbatim what the OP said.