reply to post by torqpoc
I'm suprised you could understand some of the things I said. My spelling and gramar has been horrible. I wish I could blame it solely on the fact that
I am under the weather.
It may be my narrow minded blinkered European view, or as one of the posters after you put it, I am a "pansy" or "pussy" *rolls eyes*.
Well it is generally acknowledged by all civilized human beings that people like him are. . . Well let me just say that the average gun owner is more
embarrassed by guys like him than we can express. Anyone that condones murder and excessive violence is on the very fringe.
Added to that violence on TV, the formation of gangs, publicity associated to gun violence, the school killings in the US, etc.. I think we, that is
global society, are becoming more and more akin to the animal world.
When I look at history I have a different view. I don't believe we ever got far from being beastly animals. I look at things like the Spanish
Inquisition, The Crusades, China's Cultural Revolution, Pol Pot's "cleansing" of Cambodia, and the rule of Pinochet in Chile and see the absolute
animal nature and depravity of man.
I think the formation of gangs - in America - comes more from a sense of hopelessness than anything. It is a long a deep discussion that I can write
about from personal experience. I think part of it can be chalked up to the globalization of our world, but not the sharing of cultures.
My thoughts on school killings takes multiple paths. First they are tragic. Second we need students and teachers to speak up when they have
information that these plots are being developed. I don't mean call the cops because billy is talking about his hunting trip. Third, we need parents
to get involved in their kids lives again. There are usually early warning signs that can be acted on if people would just get involved in their kid's
Fourth, the truth of the matter is that school violence has been going on for centuries. It is not the sole responsibility of America. It is not a
modern thing. It is an age old issue that, historically speaking, is more often caused by the authority figures and parents. Getting rid of guns will
not end the problem. The people that commit these crimes will do it anyway. Most schools in America have security cameras and other security measures.
That hasn't stopped them. Criminals are criminals and will break the law anyway.
I personally think that more interaction between parents and kids would go much further in preventing these issues. Most parents are too wrapped up in
their own lives and trying to provide to be there for their kids. The ones that are there seem to be too busy working about being their kid's friend.
We need a stronger sense of authority from parents and teachers.
I wouldn't say it's because of a specific spiritual standing that I feel this way, I think it is more to do with fear, fear for what society is going
to be like for my kids because simply put, issues here in the UK are escalating and I don't ever see an end to it.
We both acknowledge the same cultural and social problems. We just have a different way of responding to it. Your style is pacifism. Which if can be
truly mastered in spirit, thought, and action is honorable. I on the other hand take the moderate approach.
I avoid violence as much as is humanly possible. I stay out of places with increased probability of incidences, I use situational awareness to avoid
problems as they arise, I walk away, and generally take evey step I can to avoid a fight. However, I find no spiritual or moral honor in being a
victim. If I am backed in to a corner, I will fight like a cornered cat. I don't believe that submitting to becoming a victim helps move society in
the right direction. I believe only when citizens stand up to the criminals and the miscreants will they learn to choose another life style.
I'm not talking about being a vigilante. I am talking about standing your ground and making the person think twice next time. If that person is
attempting to use lethal force against you, then make sure they don't get a next time.
In America one in five felons will beome repeat violent offenders. We know that for every twelve rapes, murders, assaults, sexual assaults, and
robberies the police ony arrest and convict one person. That means the "justice system" isn't going to be able to get them all or deter them all. Only
by facing a society that stands up will the criminal element be detered.
If they never return handguns to the people of England I wish they would return the right to self defense. I believe that in large part would help. If
a man breaks in to your house at 3am with a baseball bat you should not go to jail for stabbing him. That just tells criminals to go for it because
the next guy is going to roll over and take it.
Are gun laws in the US the cause of that, well.. possibly. I certainly don't think they help,
I'm not trying to be thick, but could you explain that in detail? I don't understand how gun laws here are effecting the youth of England. How do our
gun laws directly effect crime there?
but it is still my opinion and my gut feeling that it's all going to go to hell for all of us.
I actually agree with you on that point. I think if the discussion was on another topic we might agree on why in many cases.
I appreciate your responses very much, it is somewhat enlightening to know not everyone is a gung-ho shooting maniac over there, not that I thought
that, but you know what I mean I am sure.
I understand. Gun owners are often potrayed as being less than intelligent and a little more angry than the average person. We are the crazy cousin
every body likes to pick on. At least that is how it feels watching American media. I can only imagine what they say about us in England.
That is why I enjoy these conversations. We need to communicate and start looking at each other as invidual humans again. We need to squash this group
think that has permeated our cultures. Fifty years ago people sacrificed their lives in the streets of America to be considerred human. They didn't
want to be seen as a group any more. They wanted to be seen as individuals with unique experiences and talents to contribute to the world. Some how we
have forgotten the lessons they tried to teach us about humanity.
By talking we realize that there is much less to fear and we can all live more comfortably together.
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