FEMA camps and coffins!!!

hey,
i understand that there are concentration camps being built and are built here in America, hell its almost common knowledge,
but my question is:
why would you need plastic coffins?

i mean it seems like the making of the coffins is not needed as the coffins are not needed.

look at other mass grave pictures, and other concentration camp pictures, i don't remember seeing any coffins in those,
not that they are not there,
but i am sure nowhere near this level.

so i don't see a point in the coffins...


any answers?
ideas?

Hey Dude,

Whats your source for this?

Got any pics or related articles?

reply to post by violence=answer


It's 2011 in the United States so maybe it's just a sign of the times that when masses of people get killed off for whatever reason they put them in plastic?

The only thing that comes to mind really is that maybe if whatever they're planning has to do with infecting the population with extremely contagious diseases that would need to be contained to keep the guards burying the bodies safe from infection.

Just pure speculation since there is no source for the OP or anything. That scenario is just the first thing that comes to mind.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


source on what exactly?

oh,
because glen beck says they don't exist

Maybe the coffins are to stop the mass disease that kills all these people from seeping onto the surface at a later date? Just an idea...

reply to post by Crunkman919


why not burn them?
less money,
less labor,
same solution,
and its been proven to work... lol

Supposed to be liners not actual coffins. Not sure other than that.

reply to post by violence=answer


If other (living/surviving) internees saw TPB burning massive piles of bodies whose fires would be visible during day and night there would be unrest/hysteria in the prison population. They'd want the sheeple to remain oblivious & whittle them down gradually, telling them that the other internees were just being quarantined for the sheeples' safety and what not.

Again this is all just pure speculation and musing based on different possible and probable situations.

reply to post by coyotepoet


liners for what?

1. Executive Summary

The United States Federal Emergency Management Agency has numerous detainment camps throughout the United States. Some camps have been recently constructed and / or renovated and are fully staffed. The existence of the camps coupled with Presidential Executive Orders giving the President and Department of Homeland Security (of which FEMA is now part) control over ‘national essential functions’ in the event of ‘catastrophic emergency’ have resulted in concerns that the camps will be used to forcefully detain American citizens for unconstitutional purposes.

2. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)

History

FEMA was created on April 1, 1979 pursuant to President Jimmy Carter’s Executive Order 12127. It amalgamated the Federal Insurance Administration, the National Fire Prevention and Control Administration, the National Weather Service Community Preparedness Program, the Federal Preparedness Agency and the Federal Disaster Assistance Administration activities formerly carried out by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. It also took over Civil Defense from the Department of Defense, which was in charge of preparing citizens for military attack. [1]

In 1993 Bill Clinton turned the directorship of FEMA into a Cabinet position. In 2003 FEMA became part of the Department of Homeland Security’s Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate. [2]

Stated Purpose

The stated purpose of FEMA is to “reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.” [3]

Recent Operations

FEMA’s most notable large-scale operation in recent times was in the aftermath of August 2005 hurricane Katrina, which occurred along the north-central Gulf Coast, particularly affecting New Orleans, Louisiana. FEMA’s response to the disaster was widely criticized due to a slow and inadequate response, blocking external private and public assistance from individuals and groups including the Red Cross, [4] banning photographs of the dead [5] and confiscating reporter’s equipment [6] and homeowner’s registered firearms. [7]

The 2006 Congressional report on FEMA’s handling of Katrina stated that it was "… a national failure, an abdication of the most solemn obligation to provide for the common welfare," [8]

Criticisms

Some have criticized FEMA’s failure as being due to is focus on ‘civil defense’ continuity of government and terrorism response programs to the detriment of its natural disaster response readiness. It is further alleged that hurricane Katrina was used to test run of a continuity of government program, allowing FEMA to rehearse rounding up and relocating large numbers of people to camps, suspending their constitutional rights and militarizing the region [9] with the help of private military contractors (mercenaries). Black Water USA, a private security company, was used in the aftermath of Katrina. [10]

3. Powers and Preparations for a Declared State of Emergency

REX-84 and Operation Garden Plot

Readiness Exercise 1984 (REX-84) is an emergency response program involving the implementation of martial law, the movement of civilian populations and the arrest and detainment of segments of the population. A rehearsal of the program was carried out April 5-13, 1984. It was led by FEMA and the Department of Defense and involved the coordination of 34 other Federal departments and agencies. [11] REX-84 was mentioned during the Iran-Contra hearings [12] and publicly exposed by the Miami Herald on Sunday July 5th, 1987. [13]

Similar large-scale emergency preparedness drills have taken place regularly since then. The most recently announced, organized by NORTHCOM, are scheduled for October 15-20. [14] Some assert that the drills continue to include preparations for the suspension of the Constitution and the implementation of martial law. [15]

Operation Garden Plot is a United States Army and National Guard program under control of the US Northern Command (NORTHCOM) to provide Federal military support during domestic civil disturbances. One example of the program’s implementation was during the 1992 Los Angeles riots when US Army and Marine forces were used in conjunction with the California National Guard. [16] In Los Angeles an Executive Order was made to permit the use of the Federal army to uphold domestic laws pursuant to the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which places restrictions on the domestic use of the military for law enforcement purposes. [17]

Recently, however, Section 1076 Public Law 109-364, or the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" (H.R.5122) has amended Posse Comitatus and The Insurrection Act (which also places limits on domestic military deployment) to allow the Federal government to unilaterally take control of state National Guards and position Federal troops anywhere in the country during a ‘public emergency’. [18]

Executive Orders

Throughout the 1960s numerous Presidential Executive Orders were issued authorizing Federal agencies to take over essential functions in the case of a declared emergency. The powers include, among many others, the authority of the Federal government to take over transportation infrastructure including highways and seaports (10990), food resources and farms (10998) and mobilize citizens into government supervised work brigades (11000). [19]

On May 9, 2007 President George Bush reasserted the role of the Federal government during a declared emergency by issuing Executive Order NSPD 51/ HSPD-20. The Order states that in the event of a ‘catastrophic emergency’ all ‘national essential functions’ may be taken over by the Executive branch of government and the Department of Homeland Security (including FEMA). [20]

4. Detainment Camps

Developments and Construction

In August 2002, then Attorney General John Ashcroft called for American citizens who are deemed ‘enemy combatants’ to be detained indefinitely without charge and independently of the judiciary. [21] This legal position was upheld in the case of a US citizen detained abroad by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in a January 2003 ruling. [22]

In October 2006 the Military Commissions Act was passed by Congress. [23] The legislation applies to non-US citizens and permits individuals labeled as ‘enemy combatants’ to be imprisoned indefinitely and without charge. It also denies non-military tribunal judicial review of detainment (Section 7), disregards international treaties such as the Geneva Convention, and states that it is the President who defines what constitutes torture (Sections 5 & 6).

In January of 2007 the American Civil Liberties Union released a report based on documents obtained by a Freedom of Information Act suit showing that the Pentagon had monitored at least “186 anti-military protests in the United States and collected more than 2,800 reports involving Americans in an anti-terrorist threat database.” [24]

For some time FEMA has been renovating and constructing new detention camps throughout the country. In January 2006 Haliburton subsidiary KBR announced that it had been awarded an “indefinite delivery / indefinite quantity contract to construct detention facilities for the Department of Homeland Security worth a maximum of $385 million over 5 years. [25]

Stated Purpose

Little has been said about the purpose of the detainment camps but when official comment has been made it has stated that the camps are for the temporary detainment of illegal immigrants. [26]

Quantity and Locations

Citizens who are concerned about the purpose and potential use of the detainment camps have documented and, when possible, filmed the detainment facilities. A current estimate of the number of detainment camps is over 800 located in all regions of the United States with varying maximum capacities. [27] If one includes government buildings currently used for other purposes the number is far greater. Video of renovated but empty detainment camps has also been released. [28]

5. End Notes

[1] Executive Order 12127--Federal Emergency Management Agency
www.fas.org...

[2] Federal Emergency Management Agency. “About FEMA” April 1, 2007 .

[3] Ibid.

[4] Federal Emergency Management Agency. News Release. “First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local
Authorities” 29 August 2005 www.fema.gov...

Rodgers, Ann. “Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food” Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. 3 September 2005 .

[5] Editorandpublisher.com. “Journalist Groups Protest FEMA Ban on Photos of Dead” 7
September 2005 www.mediainfo.com...>.

[6] Gebauer, Matthias. “The Eye of the Hurricane” Spiegel Online International.
www.spiegel.de...>.

[7] Berenson, Alex and Timothy Williams. “New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes” New York Times. 8 September 2005 www.nytimes.com...
08cnd-storm.html?ex=1189483200&en=b7a5f1efcf668506&ei=5070>.

[8] Cable News Network (CNN). “Report: Katrina response a 'failure of leadership':
Homeland Security secretary described as 'detached'” 14 February 2006
www.cnn.com...>.

[9] Nimmo, Kurt. “Attacks on democratic rights, breaching legal barriers: FEMA and
Katrina: REX-84 Revisited” Global Research. 11 September 2005 www.//globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20050911&articleId=929>.

[10] Scahill, Jeremy. “In the Black(water)” The Nation. 22 May 2006
www.thenation.com...>.

[11] Reynolds, Diana. “The Rise of the National Security State: FEMA and the NSC.” Publiceye.org. 1990 .

[12] “Suspension of American Constitution Oliver North.”
www.youtube.com...>.

[13] Chardy, Alfonso. “Reagan Aides and the ‘Secret’ Government.” The Miami Herald. 5 July 1987 www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...>.

[14] United States Northern Command. “Exercise Vigilant Shield ’08 slated for October.” 30 August 2007 www.northcom.mil...>.

[15] Rogers, Lee. “NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise.” Intel Strike. 5 September 2007 intelstrike.com...>.

[16] Global Security. “Operation Garden Plot JTF-LAJoint Task Force Los Angeles”.

[17] Morales, Frank. “U.S. Military Civil Disturbance Planning:
The War At Home” Covert Action Quarterly, #69 Spring / Summer 2000. cryptome.org...>.

[18] Morales, Frank. “Bush Moves Towards Martial Law” Toward Freedom. 26 October 2006 .

[19] Anonymous. “FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders” Friends of Liberty. www.sianews.com...>.

[20] The White House. “Presidential Directive NSPD 51, HSPD-20.” 9 May 2007 .

[21] Turley, Jonathan. “Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision” Los Angeles Times. 14 August 2002 .

[22] Cable News Network (CNN). “Americans may be held as 'enemy combatants,' appeals court rules.” 8 January 2003 www.cnn.com...>.

[23] The Library of Congress. Military Commissions Act of 2006. 17 October 2007 thomas.loc.gov...:S.3930:>.

[24] American Civil Liberties Union. “ACLU Report Shows Widespread Pentagon Surveillance of Peace Activists” Press Release. 17 January 2007 www.aclu.org...>.

[25] Halliburton Public Relations “KBR Awarded U.S. Department of Homeland Security Contingency Support Project for Emergency Support Services.” 24 January 2006 www.kbr.com...>.

[26] Ibid.

Scott, Peter Dale. “Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps.” New America Media. 8 February 2006 news.pacificnews.org...>.

[27] Friends of Liberty “FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders.”
www.sianews.com...>.

[28] FEMA Camp Footage (Concentrations Camps in USA). www.youtube.com...

I think they are for bodies covered in plague/ chemicals from attack by terrorists. They are supposed to be weather proof too.

reply to post by violence=answer


Yes there are prison camps that have and may be built here in the US, however most of us call them state prisons.
The idea that they are bilding "concentration camps" is laughable and the militia would definately have a response if this were true.
As for the "plastic coffins" you are right and I laugh when people bring this up.
If any force were to exterminate people in a mass way, they would burn said bodies or bury en masse and cover with lime.
Plus these coffins if they accommodate say 5 people, that is most likely 1000 Lbs. and with no handles would be hard to lift.
That is why any organization that has mass bodies and needs to put up the facade of respect for the dead uses body bags.
Alex Jones did a huuuge expose on these "coffins". I would wager he made good cash on folks fear.

Originally posted by violence=answer
any answers?
ideas?

I've got an idea. You could do a google search and see that the FEMA coffins have been a topic of conversation on various websites for about ten years now.
Several threads on ATS discuss them, but I'm not going to link to any because I want YOU to do some work.

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by violence=answer

 

Yes there are prison camps that have and may be built here in the US, however most of us call them state prisons.
The idea that they are bilding "concentration camps" is laughable and the militia would definately have a response if this were true.
As for the "plastic coffins" you are right and I laugh when people bring this up.
If any force were to exterminate people in a mass way, they would burn said bodies or bury en masse and cover with lime.
Plus these coffins if they accommodate say 5 people, that is most likely 1000 Lbs. and with no handles would be hard to lift.
That is why any organization that has mass bodies and needs to put up the facade of respect for the dead uses body bags.
Alex Jones did a huuuge expose on these "coffins". I would wager he made good cash on folks fear.

5 people?
one coffin?
and starving concentration camp slave are going to dispose of that how?

weather the camps exist or not the coffin deal is ridiculous.

Originally posted by violence=answer
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

source on what exactly?

oh,
because glen beck says they don't exist

edit on 11-5-2011 by violence=answer because: (no reason given)

LOL who the hell is Glen Beck

Source on where these plastic coffins supposedly are?
so if this Glen Beck character says they dont exist who besides you says they do? and why do you/they think that?

Im not trying to be a pain in the a$$, Im genuinely curious.

Cheers

reply to post by violence=answer

Hi, not so long ago, there was a threat from someone with pictures of lots en lots of coffins, stacked in different places all over america. i will try to find that post

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


oh lol

sorry

i was trying to be a pain in the ass,
there is plenty of evidence for this.


i also posted some other stuff to i meant to have it be a reply but screwed up


sorry again

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
Hey Dude,

Whats your source for this?

Got any pics or related articles?

How about YouTube
Video shot of a FEMA camp in Indiana.


The plastic coffins they could use

Originally posted by Swills

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
Hey Dude,

Whats your source for this?

Got any pics or related articles?

How about YouTube

Video shot of a FEMA camp in Indiana.

The plastic coffins they could use

Oh boy, the Beech Grove Amtrak repair and maintanence yard and the Vantage Products storage area in Madison, Ga. These have been debunked sooooo many times. GAHHHH!

Does anyone use the search function on this site anymore??

www.popularmechanics.com...