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Florida governor to impose drug testing on welfare recipients...will get rich out of it

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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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I have a lot of opinions on entitlement programs and the poor, but this post is not about that. This is about a Governor using an emotional topic to trick his constituents into voting for a law that drives money into his wife's business. Regardless of all our feelings about giving money to the poor, who may (or may not) be using illegal drugs, we have to go beyond that smokescreen to see that this is just plan corrupt.

Who is really milking the system here? Perhaps a percentage of poor on welfare are milking the system, but this isn't about them, this is about a Governor is trying to push through a law that will only benefit himself and his wife. This is about government corruption. Those people ragging about entitlements for the poor being used for drugs should stop trying to derail this post with comments that should be in another post all together. People like that are worse than trolls. Let's just cut through the emotional responses and see who is hiding behind the curtain while Oz the Great is putting on a show up front.

Edit to add; It seems like a divide and conquer strategy as well as a smoke screen.
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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I actually voted against rick scott, but many of the people really don't care about candidates pass history, They just choose whom ever they saw most on TV........

Thats one reason I left Florida and moved to another state!



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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I work for the welfare program in Florida.

This isn't the first time this law has been passed. The last time it was found unconstitutional and a waste of money and evaporated. The same will happen this time.

This govenor simply said what his supporters would want to hear him say. He played upon their emotions and beliefs. If he has any brain he should know a drug test accomplishes absolutely NOTHING. The welfare customers will either borrow someone else piss or not smoke for a month prior. Even if they are busted, they don't lose their benefits, they simply have to assign someone else to receive the benefits and give it to them.

A waste of money...



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by SpectreDC
I hope the people who wade in here arguing this is a good idea can rationalize the cost it would take to do this.

At roughly 45-50$ per test it isn't cheap, and that's only a standard drug test that only covers a handful of substances.


Sorry, but my gut reaction tells me this is a good thing. People should not be drug addicts or alcoholics if they are seeking any type of public assistance - not one hit off a joint or a beer. Millions of dollars would be saved from those that would fail such a test, and this would cover the cost of the test.

Also, too TOO many times have I been behind someone at a grocery store where the person uses food stamps to buy nothing but Coke and chips and cake... And, too TOO many times have these people been overweight to downright obese, and teaching their kids how to eat all the wrong things.

Yeah, we should have less government for those surviving on their own, but those on government assistance should be told what they can and cannot feed their kids, and that any type of addiction will not be supported.




I submit this to you:

I work for the welfare program in Florida.

This isn't the first time this law has been passed. The last time it was found unconstitutional and a waste of money and evaporated. The same will happen this time.

This govenor simply said what his supporters would want to hear him say. He played upon their emotions and beliefs. If he has any brain he should know a drug test accomplishes absolutely NOTHING. The welfare customers will either borrow someone else piss or not smoke for a month prior. Even if they are busted, they don't lose their benefits, they simply have to assign someone else to receive the benefits and give it to them.

A waste of money...



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Personally I think most welfare should be cut off. I understand it is important for people with severe disabilities that can never live a normal life. But the ones who can live a normal life are more likely the ones here complaining about having to do drug tests to basically receive free money, you people are disgusting and pathetic.
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I submit to you:

I work for the welfare program in Florida.

This isn't the first time this law has been passed. The last time it was found unconstitutional and a waste of money and evaporated. The same will happen this time.

This govenor simply said what his supporters would want to hear him say. He played upon their emotions and beliefs. If he has any brain he should know a drug test accomplishes absolutely NOTHING. The welfare customers will either borrow someone else piss or not smoke for a month prior. Even if they are busted, they don't lose their benefits, they simply have to assign someone else to receive the benefits and give it to them.

A waste of money...



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Elostone
I dont care if people want to use drugs. That is their perogative.

What I take issue with is the Welfare program in general.
I am tired of paying taxes to support able bodied people who are just too lazy to go to work.
Period.
As for the disabled, there are other programs for that, namely SSI, Medicaid, Medicare, etc
My sister is disabled but she is not on welfare
I have been unemployed and poor in the past.
But I never wanted or expected my government to carry me.
I have never been on welfare, but I have been homeless.
I would be ashamed to be a burden to society, frankly
I would rather work and pull my OWN weight
ETA calling me ignorant for expressing a point of view that does not agree with yours, simply sounds like a statement from a drug addled mind

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Do you know how the welfare program works? The money isn't free...they're working for the pitiful amount of money they receive.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by mblahnikluver
I live in Florida and I would rather my taxes go to testing these people who milk the system while selling drugs on the side.

I know many people who abuse the system while being drug addicts and making a ton of money selling them. It's WRONG! If you need assistance you shouldn't be buying drugs with GOVT money! Be a drug dealer and pay your own damn bills I am tired of paying for their habits and their gaggle of kids!

I know I may sound harsh but this is a huge problem here, huge!

I just heard on the news the other day that people are using their govt debit cards in strip clubs and casinos instead of buying food and clothes for their kids. I mean WTH!

I remember when Katrina hit and people were given the VISA cards well I worked at Macys and they would come in and buy clothes and then return items they purchased on their own cards and want to purchase it on the govt VISA instead. My manager wouldn't do it and told them the machine was down. That isn't what those cards were given to people for.

Those who abuse the system don't deserve help and hopefully when they give the money to another person they aren't as corrupt as the parents because the kids are the ones suffering in the end! It's not right! I am all for testing welfare recipients for drugs. If you have money to buy drugs you don't need assistance!




No matter how hard you, me, or anyone else try, we can't legislate morality or beliefs. I submit to you this also:

I work for the welfare program in Florida.

This isn't the first time this law has been passed. The last time it was found unconstitutional and a waste of money and evaporated. The same will happen this time.

This govenor simply said what his supporters would want to hear him say. He played upon their emotions and beliefs. If he has any brain he should know a drug test accomplishes absolutely NOTHING. The welfare customers will either borrow someone else piss or not smoke for a month prior. Even if they are busted, they don't lose their benefits, they simply have to assign someone else to receive the benefits and give it to them.

A waste of money...



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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In and of itself, I don't mind drug testing to receive government benefits. You don't want the government to pry into your life, don't go to the government for assistance. I want to help the people who really need it- not those who will spend their welfare money or sell their food stamps to buy drugs.

If a friend comes to me asking to borrow $500, you can bet I would ask them what they needed the money for. For them to tell me I have no right to ask, is silly. Likewise, for someone to accept money from the government (taxpayer), they should have some accountability. Drug testing could be a useful way to make sure the funds are going where needed.

BUT, that is not really the point here. You may personally disagree- and that's OK.

The main point here, and what is putting a bee in my bonnet, is that the governor who is enacting this legislation, stands to personally profit from this legislation. That is corrupt and dirty. He enacts a law that requires drug testing and, lo and behold, he owns a company that offers drug testing.

That stinks and should not be allowed. Politicians should not be allowed to pass legislation that lines their own pockets.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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The fact that the tests will be done through a company run by the gov's wife, yea, that's corrupt and outright dishonest to all. Using one's political power to further their own agenda is wrong, they are there for the people. (in fantasy land that's how it is anyway)

But as far at the testing being done, I am for it. I have to test to have a job, and be re-tested to keep it. There are many ways to earn an income and not have to live off of the government dime. The system was supposed to be temporary help for those who needed it. It has become a way of life for generations. Don't believe me, check it out.
Those who do really need it are going to get caught in the crossfire. Sadly becoming casualties of war. Sorry.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Here is a wonderful quote for all you folks that keep harping on entitlement for the poor in a post about government corruption . . .

"'The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?' said Scrooge.

'At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, 'it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.'

'Are there no prisons?"

'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?'

'Both very busy, sir.'

'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.'

'Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,' returned the gentleman, 'a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?'

'Nothing!' Scrooge replied.

'You wish to be anonymous?'

'I wish to be left alone,' said Scrooge. 'Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned-they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.'

'Many can't go there; and many would rather die.'

'If they would rather die,' said Scrooge, 'they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Drug testing welfare recipients is a bandaid on a broken ankle.

Drugs aren't the problem. Everyone uses drugs to some extent. Think judges who drink heavily, cops who use and sell steroids, my mom with coffee EVERY morning, my coworker and his diet mountain dew, the smelly ladies downtown with armpit hair and their skunk smelling herbs...

The problem is that we willingly give good-as-cash stipends to people to use "at their discretion".

Even if the drug tests are administered, there is no way to determine where the money will go.

Why not a state ID welfare card w/food and other vouchers? That way, you have to present both your state ID and your welfare ID to use them, there will be no selling of food stamps.

Nix the whole debit card welfare thing, that just allows people to go the casinos with their govment cheese.

The problem is the system...

This is just thrown out there, personally I don't see what this is going to help.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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I wonder why Scott is stopping at illegal Drugs???? Why not alcohol, cig.'s, fattening fast foods, etc.....O' maybe this will come next.....will they ever stop trying to run a persons life? I doubt it.....
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Hey, welfare isn't cool, you need drugs to encourage you to move ahead lol
They should health check instead, a sick person on welfare costs a lot more then a drugged one.

Then they could sponsor exercise programs and make it count has community service, healthy people cost less, have more chances of finding a job and will have more energy to move out of their couch.
Exercise is addicting, might has well prescribe it

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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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I've figured out the formula for being rich in this country. Following the Pants Gnome format.


  1. Develop a product or provide a service
  2. Get someone into public office that can get the government to buy your product or use your service
  3. PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!


At least this guy isn't stupid.
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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People who develop useful and successful business should be rewarded. I don't see why it is corrupt for his wife to benefit - because it is a free market and competitors will benefit too. As long as this is public information, how does it harm anyone?

Someone said that this is useless because people will simply clean up for the weeks directly prior to the test - I think that is the best result that this could bring. If all this law does is force people who have decided to apply to welfare to be sober for a few weeks, that will happen at a critical time for them to improve the quality of their lives. Another great benefit is that drug users will be more vigilant and holding on to work - which usually means that they have to use less drugs to be functional. Fewer drug induced crimes, drug users with idol time, fewer health costs for the taxpayer, and less taxpayer money being distributed. I don't see why a company like his wife's should be disallowed simply because he has a stake in it when it is a solution to a problem. Nobody's rights will be infringed. Not wanting the drug test = not applying for welfare. It seems to me worth the risks to try it out. If the program does not work - throw it out, along with his administration, and let the investors to his company pull out. He is putting his livelihood on the line in a gamble that this will be a success. I think people should let him try; I think he is right.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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I thought the whole point of welfare was to keep the people under controle whats happens when these people get up set and start acting out. or when very few of them come back negative which is most likely the case.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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Are you talking about members of Congress or regular government employees?

I ask because government employees have families and lives too.
I mean anyone who receives a penny of government/tax money, which includes all government employees.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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The main point here, and what is putting a bee in my bonnet, is that the governor who is enacting this legislation, stands to personally profit from this legislation. That is corrupt and dirty. He enacts a law that requires drug testing and, lo and behold, he owns a company that offers drug testing.

Not only that, which is bad enough, but the taxpayer has to stump up $millions more to fund the testing. Who else is going to pay for it?

Whatever the drug-test results are, they still get their welfare, aunty joan or granny will collect it and hand it over, then druggie spends some/most/all of it on drugs of his choice, he's happy, his life remains much the same. Nothing achieved there.

Here are the only two things this law changes:
1: The balance of tax dollars left in the revenue coffers (after funding drug tests) - this amount will be considerably $millions LESS than before this law, and
2: The governor's bank balance (after his drug-test company has fleeced the state in drug-test fees) - this amount will be considerably $millions MORE than before this law.

The druggies on welfare stay the same because if your tax dollars still pays their welfare, your tax dollars will still be buying their drugs. So, for the druggie, the state and it's tax paying citizens, it is an economically pointless law.

From every perspective but the governor's, no-one benefits in any way whatsoever from this law, not the taxpayer, not the state, not nothing, not no-one. Except him.

I do not understand why most on here cannot see this governor's blatant corruption. But it is easy to see why he is getting away with it.

The governor is filling his boots to the brim with taxpayers' money and the hard-up, hard-working taxpayers cheer him on

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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Good! Test every last damn one of them! This might just get the Governor back in good graces with us here in Florida.



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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well over 40 million people and growing everyday on welfare i say that is government run amuck.

the fact remains they are on the government dime we are paying for them

now do you want your tax dollars going to feed someones "habit" not to mention those people are on medicaid as well and the healthcare costs associated from drug use increased the care they will need.

people this is double whammy free cash and free healthcare.

i am going to side of drug testing on this one.

in my ideal world dont like government policies get off welfare you opened that door when they jumped on the free money bandwagon.

you get what you deserve.

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