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Florida governor to impose drug testing on welfare recipients...will get rich out of it

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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by addygrace
If the welfare recipients need to be drug tested, then every person that gets EIC on their taxes should be drug tested. Every person that drives on a road, or bridge should be drug tested. Anybody that goes to a sports stadium paid for by the local governments should be tested.



Perhaps so. A simpler solution, however, would be to restrain government to governmental functions. Governments are supposed to GOVERN, not provide handouts. This is why it is called GOVERNment, instead of HANDOUTment.

That would also address your issue with Scott allegedly getting rich off of the poor (what a concept! how does one steal what no one has in order to "enrich" himself?). Can't fleece welfare recipients if there are none to be fleeced.

Edit to add: in the case of government funded sports stadiums, not only should everyone who goes there be drug tested, they should be subject to full cavity searches. If that started happening, maybe it would get government out of the sports business. Probably not, though. If that happened, government might have to concentrate on - GASP! - governing!


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posted on May, 12 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by MichiganSwampBuck

There I was the first to use religion in this post!



Yes, you were.

Shame that it didn't have any point.



Hey I got a star for it anyway!

By the way my point is that too many people are reacting emotionally to the aspect that welfare people are using their entitlement to buy drugs and not addressing the actual issue of corruption. With all the off topic comments about party politics, communism, socialism, etc., I thought I might as well beat them to the punch and include the off topic of religion, which hadn't been mentioned yet, just as an example of how this is getting off course.
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posted on May, 13 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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So when are we going to drug test the wall street bankers who got a 700 billion dollar welfare check from US taxpayers?

You know the investment bankers that have destroyed our economy and put even more people on welfare.

Or are you just concerned with welfare that goes to the poor?

Socialism for the poor is evil but socialism for the rich is not?

Let's see they get to keep their profits but when they lose money we get to spread the loss around.

This whole left right paradigm is SH!T. When are you going to wake the hell up? Their plans and schemes to divide and conquer are alive and well on this thread.

Dependence on Government leads to control of your lives. You think this will just be for the poor welfare recipients? Think again. What you condone here will be carried out 10 fold over the lives of everyone in Amerika. They will control your thermostat, what you eat, what meds you take, everything. It's coming. Call me what you will but in 10 years you will call me right!



posted on May, 13 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Oh and aren't people on welfare tax payers?

So if someone loses their job and needs money to survive then they should have no problems giving it to them!And if they want to drug test people they should drug test people that are working not people that are collecting a deserved cheque off them.Yes they deserve it!

If people stay on welfare too long then put them to work,If there are so many jobs out there!Or put them in school..but don't make them pay for school!With all the money people have collected from welfare they could have put them through school for jobs!Then they can just give people on welfare a job!If it's so easy to find one then the government should have jobs ready for welfare people...just saying!


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posted on May, 13 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by MegaMind

Socialism for the poor is evil but socialism for the rich is not?


Socialism for anyone is evil.



Dependence on Government leads to control of your lives. You think this will just be for the poor welfare recipients? Think again. What you condone here will be carried out 10 fold over the lives of everyone in Amerika. They will control your thermostat, what you eat, what meds you take, everything. It's coming. Call me what you will but in 10 years you will call me right!


If people will allow that, then you are right, it will happen. If people allow it, then they deserve it. I personally will NOT allow it, but you are free to make up your own mind in the matter. It's not like they can lay a hand on MY thermostat just because you let them set YOURS.



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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[quote It's not like they can lay a hand on MY thermostat just because you let them set YOURS.



so how will you stop them?



posted on May, 14 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by president

It's not like they can lay a hand on MY thermostat just because you let them set YOURS.



so how will you stop them?


I don't HAVE a thermostat. That would be the main line of defense. I've never found a practical use for one. Now, assuming I DID have one, I'd just set it where I wanted it to be, goons be damned. What are they gonna do? hourly spot checks? They'd get tired of getting search warrants to enter my house just to check the thermostat eventually. Make no mistake, it'd be a very bad idea for them to attempt entry without the warrant. Sure, they might kill me, but that'd play out nice on the 6 o'clock news - "Old curmudgeon killed by police over thermostat setting".






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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by president

It's not like they can lay a hand on MY thermostat just because you let them set YOURS.



so how will you stop them?


I don't HAVE a thermostat. That would be the main line of defense. I've never found a practical use for one. Now, assuming I DID have one, I'd just set it where I wanted it to be, goons be damned. What are they gonna do? hourly spot checks? They'd get tired of getting search warrants to enter my house just to check the thermostat eventually. Make no mistake, it'd be a very bad idea for them to attempt entry without the warrant. Sure, they might kill me, but that'd play out nice on the 6 o'clock news - "Old curmudgeon killed by police over thermostat setting".








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Habitually breaking the law is grounds for an arrest and resisting an arrest is grounds for lethal force.

And if you don’t resist, you will go to jail long enough to lose everything you have and become homeless. Then you definitely won’t have a thermostat.

They don’t give a crap about the six o’clock news. Before they are done, you will look like the criminal.
If they see you as a problem, you will be dealt with. You are their bitch.

And, I hate this drug situation (roxys and crack and ice) as much as everybody else, but I don't see what is wrong with a bunch of crippled old men sitting around smoking a blunt with their disability money.

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posted on May, 15 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by president

Habitually breaking the law is grounds for an arrest and resisting an arrest is grounds for lethal force.


Don't know what state you live in, but that's not the case in any I've ever lived in. make no mistake, however, there'd most certainly be some lethal force employed. I don't take well to home invasions, and I come with references on that particular point.



And if you don’t resist, you will go to jail long enough to lose everything you have and become homeless. Then you definitely won’t have a thermostat.


Well, first off, I'll not be going to jail. Second, I'm not quite sure what you think I have that could even conceivably be lost by a trip to jail, even a long one. I assure you that no matter what, I will NEVER be homeless. Perhaps it just boils down to how one defines a "home". I'm pretty low maintenance, with an odd philosophy of life, but it works for me.



They don’t give a crap about the six o’clock news. Before they are done, you will look like the criminal.
If they see you as a problem, you will be dealt with. You are their bitch.


Says you. My mileage may differ.



And, I hate this drug situation (roxys and crack and ice) as much as everybody else, but I don't see what is wrong with a bunch of crippled old men sitting around smoking a blunt with their disability money.


Nothing wrong with them smoking it, per se. I'm all for letting anyone destroy themselves any way they see fit to do so - just do it on your own dime, not mine. If I want to donate to that cause, I can take about 30 steps from my front door and hand out a 20, and watch 'em turn themselves inside out with it. If I DON'T want to donate to that cause, there's no particular reason that Robin-Hood-In-Reverse should force me to do so.

When THEIR disability money comes out of MY pocket, guess who gets to set the ground rules? If they don't like it, they can get a different job, for a different employer.



posted on May, 20 2011 @ 01:49 AM
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No one is "missing" the obvious. They simply accept it. The governor says - this is who I am. I will profit from this - but so will you. It is not a conflict of interest BECAUSE it is blatant. No one misses the blatant nature of this. They vote on result - and the man's business will live or die on it's success. This is openness in government - not the opposite. I want leaders who know two things - 1. How to solve problems. 2. How to create profit from those solutions.

If he can do both of those - opennly, why consider it a conspiracy?



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 04:48 AM
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Scott signed the bill on Tuesday.

www.cnn.com...

In an ideal world where drug addicted boyfriends don't contaminate single parent situations with their drugs this law makes sense. Its true the majority feel recreational drugs should be at the bottom of the need pyramid. Maybe women in section 8 housing situations will band together to keep their living areas drug free now? There are an awful lot of urban areas where the pot/crack smoke is so thick you can get high just going to the grocery store for milk.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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I've known quite a few drug dealers. None of them were on welfare. I'm not sure why this is such a big surprise to so many people. Drugs are actually not cheap and you can make a lot of money selling them. Drug dealers also have an aversion to filling out legal documentation explaining their personal finances to government agencies as well as disclosing a fixed address that benefits will need to be sent to.

Rick Scott is simply making the poorest segment of society a scapegoat to create a diversion from the real problems with Florida's economic and social infrastructure. He is also going to try to make a little money off of it on the side. You have to admire his political dexterity.

Whether one thinks it is a good idea or not, the law is unconstitutional because it presupposes that there is probable cause of criminal activity on the part of an entire socioeconomic class. It is a form of an unlawful search and seizure.

Have a great week everybody.



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