California DoT Nixes Public Display of American Flag, Calls it “Impermissible Public Expression”, page 1


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reply posted on 10-5-2011 @ 10:56 PM by reeferman
reply to post by mishigas



Unacceptable.

You Californians need to get on the phone, send some emails because this is flat out retarded.



reply posted on 11-5-2011 @ 12:07 AM by Liquesence
Am i the only one who has a very hard time believing this, or believing that it is this cut and dry?

There has to be something else to it.

A) IS this public property? If so, how can the DOT legally prohibit the flying of the American ? They can't.

B) "Whose" property if it? This is a valid question because the DOT is for transportation, so unless it is on an easement...

C) They said
In other words, they declared it illegal to solely fly the US flag, stating that other flags must also have the right to be flown at the memorial,
[emphasis added]

No one ever said that other flags could NOT fly. So, the American flag CAN fly, just if another person/group wishes to fly another flag it must also be allowed.

Essentially, the American flag can be flown, and it can be flown legally by itself until someone else wants to fly another flag, whereupon that flag must also be allowed. Either all of none. I think i agree with that. Kinda like the whole ten commandments in the courthouse thing: if you display them, you also allow other religions' creeds to be displayed. Pretty simple.

I see nowhere where other flags do not have the right if someone chooses to fly it, and it seems to be someone--somehow--saying only an American flag should be flown and no other, hence the telling quotation above.

Equal opportunity. What's so wrong with that? Or are we that nationalistically selfish? I could understand if someone wanted to fly a Nazi flag, so maybe it's for the better, so we do not have to deal with Nazis and KKK and etc...

Somebody is twisting stuff around.

If the DOT, or whoever, says that other flag do not have the right to be flown, which then means the US flag cannot be flown by default because of equal opportunity, then something is not getting said or reported.

There is some part of the story/situation that is not being told, here. Think about it.
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reply posted on 11-5-2011 @ 12:19 AM by sigung86
reply to post by Liquesence




American Troops dying in wars for America. Not Brits, French, Germans, or any of our friends from South America, or Canada... But Americans. Why would anyone who find it wrong to support the symbol of freedom that men and women are dying for, everyday, supporting the right to fly that flag?

So what other flag do you want to fly there?

Just curious.


reply posted on 11-5-2011 @ 12:54 AM by R3KR
Maybe, just maybe, somebody grew a brain and fired this idiot...


blogs.sacbee.com...
www.dot.ca.gov...

Before that was this guy...

He left for a better paying job at this place
contracostacouncil.com...
.. which.. I cant really figure out what the hell they do ?
Probably a lobbyist or something. Seems like a corporation to funnel money..
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reply posted on 11-5-2011 @ 12:57 AM by The Old American
reply to post by Liquesence



Actually there is more to this. In 2003 people were hanging political signs and banners, as well as American flags on overpasses. CalTrans began removing the signs, but they left the flags. In Brown v. California Department of Transportation it was decided by the Kalifornia Supreme Court that what CalTrans was doing was in violation of the 1st Amendment:

Caltrans Policy on Flags Violates Freedom of Speech—Ninth Circuit

So now CalTrans is applying that ruling to this issue. The problem here is twofold:

1) The ruling was wrong. Never in the history of the American flag has it been ruled that flying it under any circumstances can be construed as violating free speech. I'm not talking about wearing shirts with the flag, or painting a house. Nor am I talking about how the flag is flown. I'm talking about displaying the flag itself. That ruling needs to be appealed. But good with that in Kalifornia.

2) They are applying the court decision wrongly. This monument is clearly an American symbol, meant to honor America and its military heroes. This is not some right-wing propaganda tool meant to inflame any race or country, but to honor and respect America.

/TOA


reply posted on 11-5-2011 @ 01:43 AM by bismos
Originally posted by Watts
reply to
post by mishigas



America is stupid. Literally.


thats the smartest thing ive read on this website all day.
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