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California DoT Nixes Public Display of American Flag, Calls it “Impermissible Public Expression”

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posted on May, 10 2011 @ 10:45 PM
This boggles my mind. Only in California could madness like this happen.. The Dept. of Transportation in that state nixed the display of the American flag at a memorial dedicated to our servicemen and the military. The panel that made the decision demanded "viewpoint neutrality". What the hell is that, and how can you detect and enforce it???

Can someone please tell me what world we live in when we cannot erect our own American flag because it might upset some people?

In the town of Orcutt, California, thousands of dollars in donations have been gathered to create a monument to fallen soldiers and the branches of our military. The memorial would go between "a highway exit and a park-and-ride lot;" a pole would rise out of the center and display the American flag.

The California Department of Transportation was okay with the plan... that is, until it was revealed that our nation's flag would be flying. When CalTrans heard, they stymied the effort, declaring the display of an American flag an "impermissible act of “public expression.”"

The panel that ruled that the American flag could not be displayed demanded "viewpoint neutrality" at the monument. In other words, they declared it illegal to solely fly the US flag, stating that other flags must also have the right to be flown at the memorial, be it "the British flag, the Nazi flag, or the Jolly Rogers."

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 10:54 PM
reply to post by mishigas

America is stupid. Literally.

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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You Californians need to get on the phone, send some emails because this is flat out retarded.

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posted on May, 10 2011 @ 10:58 PM
Wow. California needs to stop drinking the Progressive-Aide. The American flag is representative of ALL cultures within America. It is, by definition, inclusive of every one of the 320 million Americans living in our borders. The only people that could possibly be offended by it are those that stand against America.


posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:04 PM
I guess we should make it illegal to sing the national anthem too while we're at it.
Nothing surprises me anymore. As Watts said above, America is stupid.
And people wonder why the whole world laughs at us.

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:07 PM
Cal-Trans = the Cali-ban: There is something wrong with the concept of what Cal-Trans is using as an arguement for suppressing the display of the US flag. Cal-Trans being part of the Cali-ban, DON'T get to make that call because they aren't the "law", although you get the impression that they think they are. But when you dealing with a moraly bankrupt, corrupt, intellectually stunted organization like the California state government, you come to expect this kind of nonsense behaviour. The really funny part is, they actually believe that they have an obligation to make the world a better place. The horrible truth is that they can't even make California a better place, that's why people are leaving California. Smart people.

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:23 PM
lol things are soo freaking ridiculous. i guess CA has to fly its neutral white flag that stands for nothing, oh yea it means theyve surrendered to a bunch of dumb arses!

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:36 PM
Manipulating people into having no belief or pride under a cloak of neutrality or fairness is a true sign of degraded values.

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:38 PM
i can bet you if it was a mexican flag they would have been silent.

showing american pride is so tabboo these days its pathetic.

and its california is stupid liberally.

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:46 PM
As trollz said, Nothing surprises me anymore.
I wish to god I had a Delorian with a flux capacitor.
I would sooo, go back to pick up a few of the Founding Fathers and bring them to 2011!!!

Can you even imagine??
They would # their pants!!

WTF has happened???
At this stage of the game it is literally getting to be funny.
If I don't laugh, I'll cry!

We are suffering from some type of mass insanity.
People have lost their #ing minds!!!!

Do you know when I finally realized we were all screwed??
When I stopped being able to tell the difference between the REAL news and "The Onion" news!!!

Tell me this is "The Onion"!!!

The Onion

posted on May, 10 2011 @ 11:49 PM
California has such an extremist side. They try to spread it to other places... rules for this, rules for that, rules!!!! No freedom, just rules. Sad to say, it's mostly working on the West Coast. Perhaps they would be more happy to join Mexico and fly that flag.

posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:07 AM
Am i the only one who has a very hard time believing this, or believing that it is this cut and dry?

There has to be something else to it.

A) IS this public property? If so, how can the DOT legally prohibit the flying of the American ? They can't.

B) "Whose" property if it? This is a valid question because the DOT is for transportation, so unless it is on an easement...

C) They said

In other words, they declared it illegal to solely fly the US flag, stating that other flags must also have the right to be flown at the memorial,
[emphasis added]

No one ever said that other flags could NOT fly. So, the American flag CAN fly, just if another person/group wishes to fly another flag it must also be allowed.

Essentially, the American flag can be flown, and it can be flown legally by itself until someone else wants to fly another flag, whereupon that flag must also be allowed. Either all of none. I think i agree with that. Kinda like the whole ten commandments in the courthouse thing: if you display them, you also allow other religions' creeds to be displayed. Pretty simple.

I see nowhere where other flags do not have the right if someone chooses to fly it, and it seems to be someone--somehow--saying only an American flag should be flown and no other, hence the telling quotation above.

Equal opportunity. What's so wrong with that? Or are we that nationalistically selfish? I could understand if someone wanted to fly a Nazi flag, so maybe it's for the better, so we do not have to deal with Nazis and KKK and etc...

Somebody is twisting stuff around.

If the DOT, or whoever, says that other flag do not have the right to be flown, which then means the US flag cannot be flown by default because of equal opportunity, then something is not getting said or reported.

There is some part of the story/situation that is not being told, here. Think about it.
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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American Troops dying in wars for America. Not Brits, French, Germans, or any of our friends from South America, or Canada... But Americans. Why would anyone who find it wrong to support the symbol of freedom that men and women are dying for, everyday, supporting the right to fly that flag?

So what other flag do you want to fly there?

Just curious.

posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:42 AM
I would not be suprised if conversing about this decision would be declared non-viewpoint neutral?

This is NOT how we roll in the America I know!
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:54 AM
Maybe, just maybe, somebody grew a brain and fired this idiot...

Before that was this guy...

He left for a better paying job at this place
.. which.. I cant really figure out what the hell they do ?
Probably a lobbyist or something. Seems like a corporation to funnel money..
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 12:57 AM
reply to post by Liquesence

Actually there is more to this. In 2003 people were hanging political signs and banners, as well as American flags on overpasses. CalTrans began removing the signs, but they left the flags. In Brown v. California Department of Transportation it was decided by the Kalifornia Supreme Court that what CalTrans was doing was in violation of the 1st Amendment:

Caltrans Policy on Flags Violates Freedom of Speech—Ninth Circuit

So now CalTrans is applying that ruling to this issue. The problem here is twofold:

1) The ruling was wrong. Never in the history of the American flag has it been ruled that flying it under any circumstances can be construed as violating free speech. I'm not talking about wearing shirts with the flag, or painting a house. Nor am I talking about how the flag is flown. I'm talking about displaying the flag itself. That ruling needs to be appealed. But good with that in Kalifornia.

2) They are applying the court decision wrongly. This monument is clearly an American symbol, meant to honor America and its military heroes. This is not some right-wing propaganda tool meant to inflame any race or country, but to honor and respect America.


posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:02 AM
So I guess the question remains....
Why is Caltrans so anti-American ?

posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:06 AM
Well if they won't allow it to be hung, perhaps they would allow it to be burned instead? Time for a flag burning to find out. How can you desecrate something that is not even allowed? This would make for an interesting controversy. Anyone in california have a spare flag and match?
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posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:20 AM
This makes me want to take leave and fly home. Just so I could take an american flag and raise it there. I would love to see the cops take me down while in uniform. Then again don't want to go to federal prision or be court martialed.

But this doesn't surprise me. Kali is one of the most communistic states in the union. To show any national pride is a Taboo or will get you shot in some areas.

posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Watts
reply to post by mishigas

America is stupid. Literally.

thats the smartest thing ive read on this website all day.

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