Big Earthquake, killer tornado's, massive hurricane, sifting through the claims to find the meat.

Alright bare with me on this one if you would. I've been a member here since 2007 not as long as a lot but twice as long as most people on this sight.

I've always been more of a lurker then a poster. Yes I post the occasional thread and reply on posts here and there if I like them or are interested in them. Over the last year I've seen a massive rise in what I like to call BS posts. From natural disasters that may happen to wild claims about things yet to come. People stick to them like glue and buy every thing hook line and sinker no matter what evidence is put forth to dispute said thread. I've seen this board go from a place where intelligent people debated the pro's and con's of a thread and its evidence (politely) to a place where people are trashed for speaking out against the op because they are an honest person who cares about everyone else.

Case in point these earthquake threads. I watched one play out where we had a professor on the board who had numerous degree's explaining to the OP how nothing was going to come of this "earthquake" mind you the OP did not have a degree or any relative "real world" experience other then what they saw on their computer..

It was like a wild pack of dogs turning on an injured animal all because he spoke up about the level of fear mongering in the OP's thread. In the end nothing came of these potential swarms. However everyone drank it up like kool aid.

I applaud the vigilant people out there who keep an eye on things like that however there is something called tact that 90% of this board seems to be lacking. Putting a thread out proclaiming immanent disaster with the only thing backing it being USGA quake monitoring sites means 0.

The biggest thing that frustrates me and I'm sure numerous others is all the people making these wild claims and stirring up a crap storm is you all have seem to have forgotten 1 very important thing. Yes there are earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, lighting storms, etc,etc that happen every day across the wide expanse of this world.

The difference is now we know about these things in real time as they happen thanks to primarily the internet. I have no doubt I could log on to a site right now and find out about a 100 different quakes as they are happening. Which is no different then any other day in any other time period. Like I said above the difference is our technology. 50 years ago this didn't exist you had to relay on the limited scope of the tv and newspapers you might hear about it a week or months later and maybe not at all. So why waste your life and scare everyone else because you see something and feel the need to climb to the top of the highest place you can find and scream about it.

If you don't think this sorta thing happens all the time and has been happening since before man was here you need to go back to school. Because it has happened and will continue to happen. ITS NOTHING NEW.

ATS is going in a very crappy direction and no one seems to care about it or want to do anything about it. I really think something needs to be done about this before it completely flushes ATS down the toilet. Mind you this is just my two cents and I'm certain I'll get flamed like crazy for this but while your flaming me and telling me I should go to some other board take a second and think about what I said about having information at the tips of our fingers and you tell me if it makes sense.

I like the title.

When you sift ATS and all the small stuff has fallen through the seive, there's nothing left in the basket!

Magnitude 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
8.0 to 9.9 1 1 0 1 2 1 2 4 0 1 1 1
7.0 to 7.9 14 15 13 14 14 10 9 14 12 16 21 8
6.0 to 6.9 146 121 127 140 141 140 142 178 168 144 151 114
5.0 to 5.9 1344 1224 1201 1203 1515 1693 1712 2074 1768 1896 1943 1109
4.0 to 4.9 8008 7991 8541 8462 10888 13917 12838 12078 12291 6805 10406 4911
3.0 to 3.9 4827 6266 7068 7624 7932 9191 9990 9889 11735 2905 4315 650
2.0 to 2.9 3765 4164 6419 7727 6316 4636 4027 3597 3860 3014 4615 840
1.0 to 1.9 1026 944 1137 2506 1344 26 18 42 21 26 36 4
0.1 to 0.9 5 1 10 134 103 0 2 2 0 1 0 0
No Magnitude 3120 2807 2938 3608 2939 864 828 1807 1922 17 26 19
Total 22256 23534 27454 31419 31194 30478 29568 29685 31777 * 14825 * 21514 * 7656

As you can see, if this chart is correct,every year except 1, since 2000, has had more earthquakes than we are having now...Sorry, it didn't post chart very well aligned, but you can go to USGS and see that every year except 1 since 2000, has had more earthquakes than we are having now...so, were not have more, we are having less, BUT, more reported quicker than use to be....However, the number of large earthquakes (magnitude 6.0 and greater) has stayed relatively constant, so says USGS.

We continue to be asked by many people throughout the world if earthquakes are on the increase. Although it may seem that we are having more earthquakes, earthquakes of magnitude 7.0 or greater have remained fairly constant.

In 1931, there were about 350 stations operating in the world; today, there are more than 8,000 stations and the data now comes in rapidly from these stations by electronic mail, internet and satellite. This increase in the number of stations and the more timely receipt of data has allowed us and other seismological centers to locate earthquakes more rapidly and to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier years. The NEIC now locates about 20,000 earthquakes each year or approximately 50 per day. Also, because of the improvements in communications and the increased interest in the environment and natural disasters, the public now learns about more earthquakes.

According to long-term records (since about 1900), we expect about 17 major earthquakes (7.0 - 7.9) and one great earthquake (8.0 or above) in any given year.

I agree with you w810i.
I try to explain that all this stuff has been going on since the earth was formed,but it falls on deaf ears.
My two biggest pet peeves are HAARP and Dutchsense!
There is so much info available now a days,that I don't think people know how to process it.
I admit that I was naive at first,but after alot of researching,the earth goes through it's cycles,whether it is caused by outside influences is yet to be determined.And if it is influenced,I am currently researching into whether or not
there is a way to maybe predict such events.
But that all remains to be seen.
BTW,there is still good stuff on here,you just have to dig a little deeper than the latest headline.
S&F

reply to post by Caji316


Thats only 11 years out of billions of years.Out of 200,000 years we as humans have been around.
Dig a little deeper into known history.

reply to post by Caji316


can you cite a source of the chart....your alignments are quite off

i completely agree with you OP regarding the fact the quality of how people respond reply and post has diminished over the years.... i attributed this to the flood of new members in the last year or so that seem to feed off this need to put peoples thoughts and ideas down if they dont agree.... the 911 forum is a warzone as an example.

ATS:
you can call a horse a cow all you want but until you accept the fact that it is not a cow you are going to continue to waste someones time along with your own

Originally posted by Caji316
Magnitude 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
8.0 to 9.9 1 1 0 1 2 1 2 4 0 1 1 1
7.0 to 7.9 14 15 13 14 14 10 9 14 12 16 21 8
6.0 to 6.9 146 121 127 140 141 140 142 178 168 144 151 114
5.0 to 5.9 1344 1224 1201 1203 1515 1693 1712 2074 1768 1896 1943 1109
4.0 to 4.9 8008 7991 8541 8462 10888 13917 12838 12078 12291 6805 10406 4911
3.0 to 3.9 4827 6266 7068 7624 7932 9191 9990 9889 11735 2905 4315 650
2.0 to 2.9 3765 4164 6419 7727 6316 4636 4027 3597 3860 3014 4615 840
1.0 to 1.9 1026 944 1137 2506 1344 26 18 42 21 26 36 4
0.1 to 0.9 5 1 10 134 103 0 2 2 0 1 0 0
No Magnitude 3120 2807 2938 3608 2939 864 828 1807 1922 17 26 19
Total 22256 23534 27454 31419 31194 30478 29568 29685 31777 * 14825 * 21514 * 7656

As you can see, if this chart is correct,every year except 1, since 2000, has had more earthquakes than we are having now...Sorry, it didn't post chart very well aligned, but you can go to USGS and see that every year except 1 since 2000, has had more earthquakes than we are having now...so, were not have more, we are having less, BUT, more reported quicker than use to be....

edit on 10-5-2011 by Caji316 because: (no reason given)

Problem is you have to cut 2011 off the chart or its false information. Or you could extrapolate and that would show a 30% increase ? in the first quarter of the year. At any rate 2011 cant count. Its not done.

But thanks for the awesome chart info. Much appreciated. S but cant flag...lol

I agree that there is still a wealth of info to be found here so long as your willing to sort through all the clearance rack crap. Thats why I have been here since 07. Just seems like its anything goes these days except for anything rational.

reply to post by kdog1982


Sorry, around 1900 is as far back as USGS goes back....

I found out about this site in 2008 when the economy really took a turn south. I lurked for 2 years just reading and learning. I didn't join until there was a thread that I felt I could honestly have something to add. I have seen a huge difference in just the past 3 or 4 months with the uptick in trolling. There seems to be a lot of wannabe wisecracking comedians posting lately or a lot of nonsense posts just so people can get their counts up.

I will still continue to sift through the crap to find gems though.

Thank you for the rant, I couldn't agree more.

reply to post by Shadowalker

Yea, you can't count 2011 as of yet..I myself am against the USGS...as they hid a lot of data also...Yes, it can be proven, but I want do it for anyone, I'm busy at the moment...I believe we ARE having more and bigger earthquakes...at the present time....going to try and track down a site that posts ALL earthquakes if there is such one to be found...remember US in USGS, stands for the corporate United States, and they can't be trusted for anything, especially information now days....

reply to post by Caji316


Dig a little deeper

Earthquakes have been recorded as early as 1177 B.C. in China. Of course earthquakes have been a part of myth and legend since the dawn of man. In Greek Mythology, Posseidon (Neptune in the Roman pantheon) was "God of the Sea". Yet one of his powers was thought to be that of "earth shaker". As a tsunami is often the result of an earthquake, this was an appropriate power for a sea god. In European history, the earliest recorded earthquake occurred in 580 B.C. In North America the great earthquakes of 1811-1812 occurred near New Madrid, Missouri. The magnitude of the quakes are not known, but they are estimated to have been about 8 on the Richter scale. There were actually three large quakes with aftershocks between and for months after. The quake was so wide-spread it was felt as far away as Boston.

Thanks..What really amazes me is that you do not see many people speak up about it. I've seen some of the most outlandish threads gather hundred + stars and go on for 50-100 pages and it just baffles me. I can except the trolling that occurs because well its the internetz (lol) what annoys me is the fear mongering that happens. I've come to the conclusion that a large majority of the posts here in the last year to two years are done by people who have nothing in their life to live for or anything to contribute so they take to fear mongering.

I just think there needs to be some sort of structure to being able to post about these natural disasters or impending disasters. Something that outweighs the current system. There has to be something better then

"20.3 SWARM IN KENTUCKY JUST REPORTED AT OMG (insert random fault line here) ITS GONNA CAUSE THE WORLD TO BREAK INTO LITTLE PIECES."

reply to post by w810i


Great post! People seem to be so bored and in need of telling everyone about their "gut feeling"...I get it that some people have good intuition but usually that "gut feeling" can be made just by reading this site!

These occurrences have been happening since the beginning of earth's time, and much worse than right now too. Yes, earthquakes happen on the ring of fire, yes tornadoes happen, yes hurricanes happen, yes volcanoes explode, it's called nature.

Not even 15 years ago, I didn't have a computer or anything like that, I was totally oblivious but I'm sure bad stuff was happening everywhere. Fear mongering is getting ridiculous, it's sad when adults, smart ones at that, get so caught up in doomsday and being so sure and not wanting to even live anymore. If it's not HAARP it's planet alignments, if it's not planets, it's Illuminati, if FEMA does their job it's fishy, if the government or NASA addresses something then it's fishy, but if they don't they're hiding something. Come on people, think!
Sad indeed.

If I didn't know better I would swear that these people are actively wishing death and destruction upon millions

reply to post by w810i
Hiya, I read your post in it's entirety and first off I commend you for your concern regarding the quality of this website... I am one of the new members you referenced, and I attempt to make every post I leave as tactful as possible without attacking anyone, regardless of their post content...

I am a bit curious about this specific thread you reference with the degree holding expert weighing in on earthquake probabilities where they were attacked as you say... If it is so, that's a shame that an expert chose to submit their opinions and was rejected or eaten alive or whatever happened to them. RIP I guess?

You're right about these things happening all the time on this planet. This Earth is 4.5 billion years old and we have been walking on it for what, 250,000 years at max? And record keeping on Earthquakes has only been happening for the past, oh, 500, 1000 years? In California, the first earthquake recorded was in 1769. The point I am getting at, is that unless you have been walking on this earth for a few thousand years or longer, you don't know anything about the likelihood of whether or not a massive quake is going to occur in any specific spot on the planet, degree holder or not.

The most accurate information an earthquake 'expert' can tell you is that they cannot be predicted by current known means, mostly due to the absolute lack of historic record (dating back long enough to map out interval patterns which aren't ever certain - this is especially true in the United States for example where we only have data going back 250 years. a fraction of a fraction of the earth's existance). Therefore, when an expert comes forth and attempts to say an earthquake will not happen, they are just as silly as those that claim to predict them on specific dates and locations based on whatever.

In summary, we are at the whims of this planet, and are temporary visitors here. Guests. And yes, these things happen, but also, we've come to know this planet can change very quickly for us here. Very violently... So much so that the odds are great that at some point in the future, this planet will shake itself free of us entirely, once again. The earth is never normal, and always changing. Ask the people of Japan that watched a wall of water wash over their homes and cities, and they continue to brace themselves as the ground beneath them shifts with uncertainty still.

The beautiful thing about this information age is that you don't necessarily need to be a degree holder to become very knowledgeable in any particular field that you choose. It's a shame, though, that you think this website is going down the crapper (I have noticed this is a repeating theme in some of your writings that I have come across while I've been here - I have a good memory). The good news is, though, that you can still directly control the quality of what goes in it.

Take care (while you still can).

Originally posted by Sek82

I am a bit curious about this specific thread you reference with the degree holding expert weighing in on earthquake probabilities where they were attacked as you say... If it is so, that's a shame that an expert chose to submit their opinions and was rejected or eaten alive or whatever happened to them. RIP I guess?

edit on 10-5-2011 by Sek82 because: I can

The thread in question was in regards to a swarm activating a volcano. But yes he offered his thoughts and backed it up and was literally eaten alive. Don't misunderstand I am not saying every new poster here only brings trash to the table that's not the case. I have seen a multitude of excellent posts by new members. I don't judge a poster by their join date but what they bring to the table. I say ATS is going to the crapper because when I look at this place present day and compare it to when I joined it is. I could toss a rock in any direction and hit so many outlandish threads now its asinine. I'm surprised that ATS is not giving out a complementary tin foil hat with every thread now.

When you say my writings and postings are you referring to my responses in threads or my actual threads themselves? At this point if I'm reading a thread and its just none sense I will point that out regardless. If your revering to what I post in the short story section thats another matter all together.

My whole point for this thread is this. People need to consider the fact that earth is a constantly changing organism for lack of a better word. This has been happening since the beginning and will continue to do as such. Its just that we have the ability to see it in real time instead of waiting weeks,months, years for the same thing. Common sense.

reply to post by w810i


I've also noticed this trend, although I've only been a member since 2008 ( I was a long time lurker before then though). It seems very few people bother to do their own research now, and instead quote some anonomous fear mongerer who made a youtube video. For example, the recent thread about "super storms", which uses a video of a guy who obviously has no idea how weather systems work, as evidence.

It's great to ask questions and be aware, but that doesn't mean blindly believing anyone who says that there is something weird going on. It makes us feel priveleged and important when we think we are privy to knowledge that the other "sheep" ignore, but often there is a reason it's not widely accepted. This ongoing trend means that when there are genuine topics worthy of discussion, they often get buried under the next fear mongering, un-researched thread. So I commend you for your post. Hopefully, it inspires others to do a bit more research or use a bit more common sense before jumping to conclusions.

thanks

Ha, that was probably one of my threads the OP here is talking about. And to that I say so what.

You know at one point a long time ago, I used to take this site very seriously. Each and every post mattered, and we were much smaller then. Well that was my first mistake. I used to get upset about bad posts, trash, etc.

Then someone made a post about how this site was for entertainment, and was not to be taken seriously. It didn't even occur to me back then that's what this place was for, until I read that post long ago. Once the switch flipped that this was for entertainment, things changed. Topics I would have never otherwise posted myself became fair game. And the manner in WHICH they are posted changed too.

So hop on the bus and have some fun with this place. Learn to just ignore what you don't want to read. Don't let the absence of research or quality get to you. Cause it will make you mad. So if that was my thread you are talking about, glad I could provide you with some entertainment. Cause that's all it was. Capeesh?