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Funny Answer on Muslim Head Scarf Asked by a Chrisitian Lady

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posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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well folks, there is another side of a story..Headscarf or burka mentioned in the bible?





posted on May, 10 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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He is an excellent speaker. I'm always impressed by how learned these people are.

They know more about other scriptures than the people who follow them do. That should tell you something.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 05:11 PM
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Funny? "Learned"?

Wow, your interpretation of this is completely reversed from my own. I see a very angry man who is perpetuating the oppression of women; who despises Westerners while suggesting that western men enjoy watching their women raped; and who furthermore watches porn and looks at dirty magazines, while commenting Muslims haven't reached that level of "sickness". Sure.

Funny? He's freaking furious (with his audience of 99.9% males).



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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I had to star you for that.
He masked his disgust with cryptic humour and analogy. At the very end, he lets you in on his feelings. "Are you paying the price? You are paying the price now." That summed it all up for me.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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I completely agree with you. The lady asks a serious question and basically he sais she should be grateful that she is even aloud to speak! He didn't really answer her question and was like a politition jumping around the issue.

I found him infuriating but quite clever in his detraction.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 05:40 PM
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The Imam has a point about the motor industries idea of advertising. Nevermind the car, tractor, or even the servicing from my local garage, the four wheel industry loves a bikini to advertise their goods.

A thing about the veil though, sure it was St Paul who decided to take it upon himself to decide when a women spoke and what she wore. However, to me, he is a second come-lately missionery who seemed to spend a lot of time justifing himself to other christian groups. Christ, never commented on women's dress or veils so the religious uniform for a women won't be adoring my head unless it rains.

Also I'm now retired but I have never been pestered or bothered when younger and somewhat athletic when wearing a bikini on the beach. I don't think you can compare Western men who are use to and comfortable around women to Muslin men who come from a more protected background where women are covered from head to toe and single men and women are not allowed to mix.

The Imam although very nice and amusing, is not in a position to deny that rape is not a problem in Muslim countries its just that in some countries such as Pakistan, it is only recently that they even had the charge of rape in their legal system .Its a clever cop-out concerning rape because unless it's witnessed taking place in from on X people, it never happened. - How many rapes take place in from of 4 other people? the shame and repercussions for marriage prospects etc are so important that the victim is probably made to keep quiet.

I got the impression the Imman would like all us women to cover up, but its taken years for women to get a reasonable degree of equality and respect and I hope we don't find ourselves going backwards just to please people like the charming Imman. With regard to how women are respected in Western culture, I feel that is a level the Imman should be coming up to without having to see a woman hidden behind a veil.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Well, too, he's quoting the scriptures about "women should be silent in the churches", and also the one where it says it is a shame to a women to have her head uncovered in church. It is as though he is revealing this news to her, obviously she would be unaware of it, so he is delivering the news. Quite condescending.

Christians have read the Bible, including those passages.

Sigh. To me he seems like a bitter old man having a hissy fit bordering on rage, because he can't have his way. He demeans Westerners in every way possible during his speech. Angry, angry, angry.

Sorry, OP.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Women are the obviously the cause of all the ills in society, keep them covered, tell them to shut up..the world will be perfect....

Imho men like this have no place in the 21st century



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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To me the greater question is, if the Iman (and his fellow believers there) find western culture so sinful and wrong, why do they choose to stay? There are multiple countries whose state policies and religions practice as they do, so why the migration westward, with all the perceived evils?



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Glinda
To me the greater question is, if the Iman (and his fellow believers there) find western culture so sinful and wrong, why do they choose to stay? There are multiple countries whose state policies and religions practice as they do, so why the migration westward, with all the perceived evils?


100% agree. I think anyone should be able to move and live where they want. But, they should first understand they cannot force their beliefs on others. They need to assimilate into the new society. If they can't, see ya! Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Star for you Glinda!



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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may allah bless this man.......he is 100% correct. Furthermore im catholic and it does say that in the bible. Modesty Modesty Modesty americans 99.9% have forgotten about modesty about being humble. I think the 30's was when modesty went out of vogue here in the u.s.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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glenda i totally disagree with you, as a human being we all should be allowed to travel any where on the green planet. Problems arise when folks dont want to respect other cultures and other ways of doing things. Just the same for a american to travel to the middle east...respect for yourselves and respect for others is the 100% sure fire way to live.

Let the bombardment begin



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Where does it say modesty, modesty, modesty in the bible?



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 06:56 PM
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LOL her ya go get your learnin on



The English word modesty appears only once in the King James Version of the Bible (1 Timothy 2:9). The word modesty is from the Greek term kosmios. It means: orderly, well-arranged, decent, modest, harmonious arrangement, adornment. This Greek word also appears in the Septuagint (Ecclesiastes 12:9) and is translated "set in order" and is applied to Solomon's proverbs. Kosmios is derived from kosmos which means: order, regular disposition, ornament, decoration, embellishment, adorning and is used, among other ways, of the world on which we live (Matthew 13:35; Mark 16:15). Kosmos is used of modest attire and translated as "adorning" in 1 Peter 3:3.

"Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel."



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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When are ppl going to realize that the times have no place in tailoring to the text. It's supposed to be the other way around for crying out loud.

If this guy had his way, we would all be completely miserable and 100 % hypocritical and smug.
This guy is about 500 years too late to the party.

Sure western customs are disgusting in that we advertise with what is attractive. Scantly clad women and such. The point is that we have a CHOICE! It's up to us to raise our children. Not to let a 2000 year old text do it and we just lash out when it's not followed. We have a free society governed by money. Free enterprise is all about cash and selling the product. Get over it, old timer. If you don't like looking at naked women then don't.

Women have brains and penicillin is not Satan. Please wake up you silly silly mentally corrupt people.

edit on 10-5-2011 by spinalremain because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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As a woman, I know I would have no rights (couldn't even drive a car) in almost ALL Shar'ia governered countries. I understand that...and would plan my world travels accordingly. I would NOT attempt to claim any 'rights' that the culture/laws of the country did not afford me...I just would not set foot upon their soil. End of my discussion right there...

Why is the opposite DEMANDED here? Women are equal; free willed beings in western culture. Again...as you state, you are free to travel anywhere on this 'green world' but respect the culture where you land.



posted on May, 10 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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^^^^ well said ^^^^^



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Glinda
As a woman, I know I would have no rights (couldn't even drive a car) in almost ALL Shar'ia governered countries.

As a woman I'd say you know nothing about any of these so called "Shar'ia governed countries". The ONLY country that fits your description is Saudi Arabia, and even there (while I'm certainly not defending this law), it is only in the major cities that it is banned. There is no other country on earth, "Islamic" or otherwise, that is preventing you from driving your car. As far as taking away your rights, I can't think of any rights that would be taken away by these countries (except perhaps your right to immodesty, again in perhaps in Saudi Arabia and maybe one or two other countries in the world).


Originally posted by Glinda
To me the greater question is, if the Iman (and his fellow believers there) find western culture so sinful and wrong, why do they choose to stay? There are multiple countries whose state policies and religions practice as they do, so why the migration westward, with all the perceived evils?

In case you didn't realise, this dude died long ago, and this video is probably at least 30 years old (you could kinda pick that up from the references to all the topical brands he was talking about). He didn't "come live in the western culture". I believe he was born in Durban, South Africa.

PS: To clarify, I'm not a woman, I was just pointing it out about you.
PPS: It's "Imam", not "Iman", and I don't think this dude was one, or at least no more than any other muslim person is or could be. "Imam" is just a name for the dude who leads the muslims in prayer, something anyone could do. He's not part of any organised priest structure.
PPS: No reflection on you, of course, but the Good Witch was seriously evil
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edit on 11-5-2011 by babloyi because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 01:54 AM
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Evil!



posted on May, 11 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by MachiventaMelchizedek
LOL her ya go get your learnin on



The English word modesty appears only once in the King James Version of the Bible (1 Timothy 2:9). The word modesty is from the Greek term kosmios. It means: orderly, well-arranged, decent, modest, harmonious arrangement, adornment. This Greek word also appears in the Septuagint (Ecclesiastes 12:9) and is translated "set in order" and is applied to Solomon's proverbs. Kosmios is derived from kosmos which means: order, regular disposition, ornament, decoration, embellishment, adorning and is used, among other ways, of the world on which we live (Matthew 13:35; Mark 16:15). Kosmos is used of modest attire and translated as "adorning" in 1 Peter 3:3.

"Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel."


So 'modesty' appears once, not three times drummed in as you earlier inferred. The world Kosmos has numerous psycholigical interpretations referring to the 'world' as in suffering and living life etc which is the more usual way this word was used, it also means adornment. There doesn't appear to be a classification specifying how the adornment should be carried out. This adornment can also refer to the inside of a temple etc so at most it is a general term.

Modesty is a man-made term, usually one that tries to control and conceal a woman's beauty. As Paul proved when he decided to lay down laws that Christ did not concern himself with. There is a bit too much Paul in the bible and from his letters, he was not that liked by other groups. So why heed him when you have Christ's worlds which are surely, far more important to religious minded people.

Its fine to appreciate modesty but its not a virtue such as honesty.







 
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