Stealing From Work and Corporations...Good or Bad?

Maybe we shouldn't be so willing to throw each other under a bus for something that we shouldnt even have to talk about. Also if we are saying no to a decent living for the poor then why do we spend tax dollars on NBA NFL MLB stadiums, social security, medicaid, medicare, schools, police, veterans, bailouts, prisons etc. because if we cant help our most vulnerable in society the poor then why have a society at all. We should be discussing ways to get the poor out of poverty not everyone can do it by themselves and these companys and gov't entities do not help

reply to post by ViperChili


what is now being called capitalism is no such thing

it just calls itself that to cover up it's being more like mercantilism or the east india company model

reply to post by ViperChili


Yeah I gotcha man I wasn't in the least referring to a living wage..obviously you start low and if you are skilled you will rise with your skill set...some people although due to where they live and their circumstances are forced to take a low paying minimum wage job..doesn't mean they are talentless,lazy, and unmotivated but according to you it does..you seem very angered...


Furthermore in this day in age every man woman and child on this earth should be housed clothed and fed we have the resources and it is completely possible....but we gotta have rich vs poor so people like you can feel accomplished and look down upon the poor and judge them which is all you have been doing for 29 pages...

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

Just the richest 400 Americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50 percent of Americans combined, and the richest 10 percent of Americans control two-thirds of the country’s net worth

You might be interested to know that little comment that was uttered by Michael Moore is not entirely true, and the study he referenced was done in 2007, before the great loss of wealth in 08 and 09.

reply to post by AmerikanDekline


I already said some talented people are simply victims of circumstance, whether it be geographical or another barrier. Frankly, that sucks.

That being said, such is life. The truly talented will find a way out, the others.....well chances are they live in Detroit or some place like it.

I am only angered in the sense that I have to share oxygen with people who want everything handed to them, or believe they deserve something.

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

 

It is the best system available.

Dont tell me you advocate something insane resembling socialism do you? If so, you are beyond hope.

A large portion of the bottom 50% have no income whatsoever, why is it surprising they pale in comparison in terms of wealth to the wealthiest Americans?

edit on 11-5-2011 by ViperChili because: (no reason given)

It's not the bottom 50% it's 50% of the population (yep 150 million people). It didn't say 10 million own half of the wealth, it didn't say 1 million owns half of the wealth, hell it didn't even say 100,000 owns half of the wealth. 400 freaking people. Our whole monetary system is a sham, and our whole economic system is a sham.

reply to post by AmerikanDekline


No one deserves to be fed, clothed, or housed. That too is not a function of government.

At best, its a private charitable matter.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


Uh, how much wealth do you think children should have given that they are included in that 50% of the total population?

As you can see from the chart below, in 2007, the bottom 50% of American households (that is about 57 million households) had $1.61 trillion in wealth in 2007, the latest period for which such data is available.

The Federal Reserve defines wealth as all financial and nonfinancial assets, including bank accounts, investments, houses, cars and debt.

The net worth of Forbes listers was a combined $1.537 trillion that year, but their wealth fell to $1.37 trillion for the 2010 list. (In an email, Moore cited The Campaign for America’s Future for his source).

WSJ Source

Originally posted by ViperChili

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

Just the richest 400 Americans hold more wealth than the bottom 50 percent of Americans combined, and the richest 10 percent of Americans control two-thirds of the country’s net worth

You might be interested to know that little comment that was uttered by Michael Moore is not entirely true, and the study he referenced was done in 2007, before the great loss of wealth in 08 and 09.

Actually I didn't get it from MM I got it from wonkroom.thinkprogress.org... and it's dated 5/11/11. Nevertheless do you think that the crash really changed anything? Lets just say for arguments sake: What do you think would be the number now after the crash instead of 400? 500? 1000? 5000? Can you see how laughable it still is?

he Forbes listers and the bottom have each held around 3% of the nation’s wealth for the past 20 years. (Reliable and comparable data don’t go further back than that.) Some years they tipped to 3.3%, other years to 2.7%, but basically their shares have move remarkably in parallel through so much economic change

Taken from your WSJ link. Please see the bold. Also the children argument is pitiful. How much do children account for? 20%? Still the argument is weak, no matter how it's looked at.

reply to post by ViperChili


Alright fair enough. After chatting with you for a while I see mostly where you are coming from I misunderstood a few of the things you were saying...and for that I'm sorry. I retract what I said about you looking down upon those less fortunate you clearly just look down upon those who are lazy and with that I agree wholeheartedly. Life is indeed cruel and unfair and I admit I have a soft spot for people who have fallen upon bad fortune and when I misread a few things you said I probably just took it to personal so I apologize for that.

Have a good night friend

reply to post by AmerikanDekline


Have a good night.

I too have compassion, but mine lies with Wounded Warriors and animals abused by humans. Those 2 charities are where my charitable money goes.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


The top 1% also pays the lions share of the taxes, which are redistributed (unconstitutionally) to the lower class.

Did you have a point?

Hell if 10 people owned 50% of the wealth, what do you propose, confiscating it from them and spreading it around?

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

 

The top 1% also pays the lions share of the taxes, which are redistributed (unconstitutionally) to the lower class.

Did you have a point?

Hell if 10 people owned 50% of the wealth, what do you propose, confiscating it from them and spreading it around?

Of course they pay the Lions share of taxes, they have most of the wealth lol, how can it be any different? If 10 people owned 50% of the wealth I would ask why do we allow it? Why do we agree to a system that allows such absurdity? I wouldn't do anything to the 10 people, I would just convince the other 306,999,999 of the other people to simply not contribute to the rigged system. Let the 10 people burn their money for warmth and exile them from any community.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


No way would that stand even the slightest chance of happening.

Lets stay in reality.

What about this. Stealing as the OP says probably is "taking a few things from the shelves". However, what is this stealing all about at the core?

It is taking someone's time without asking for it from them. It is taking a resource someone made and making it theirs so as to not have to trade money (which is income based on trading time). So, stealing is anything from a unit of time (goofing off at work for 4 hours rather than working hard) to a product off a shelf (time spent making, selling/buying, shipping, stocking and presenting) a product. By stealing, you are stealing from all those people who presented that product on the shelf for you to "see and steal".

Stealing from work is the same as stealing from your neighbor's backyard (go grab their lawn mower or maybe a propane can). The neighbor probably has a business they setup and made money in order to buy that mower or propane can. Or they traded time for money to buy those items.

To the OP - you have some morals to learn in this life. Your opinion and attitude is not only reprehensible - if you were my son, I'd kick you out of the house so you can go experience how it is to steal from dumpsters to survive. You're dispicable and all I can do is pray you learn through life experiences that this is so entirely wrong.

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

 

No way would that stand even the slightest chance of happening.

Lets stay in reality.

You posed the question lol, I just answered. Jesus man you've been at it for like 7 hours, I think this is my curtain call. Even though we disagree on a number of things I know deep down you aren't as coldhearted as you make yourself out to be

Anyways goodnight.

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Ha Ive been workin all day too.

I don't agree with OP, but I don't think he's not a good person at all.

Originally posted by DuceizBack

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by doctornamtab

 

Well you sound like a real piece of crap with a sense of entitlement.

You listed numerous low paid and low skill jobs, why not make something of yourself instead?

Start your own business and see how much you laugh when employees steal from you.

No one forces you to work, you choose to do so for a certain wage.

If you are unhappy with your wage, that is your fault and yours alone.

edit on 10-5-2011 by ViperChili because: (no reason given)

I agree with you whole heartedly, which is why I don't pay tips.

Sigh....I truly believe that everyone should work in a busy restaurant for at least a couple months.

You do realize that servers get paid 2.50 an hour, and have to tip out the bartender, hosts, bussers and any other support staff, all of whom make more than twice what they do hourly.

When you don't tip your servers you are actuallly costing them money because they tip out based on a percentage of their total sales not the tips they are taking home.

We get voided paychecks most of the time due to taxes, tips are the only way we get paid.

Let me also say that while there are some very bad servers who should not being doing the job those of us that are good at what we do can make a pretty decent living out of it. Most of the people I work with are college educated, highly functional adults who do this part time to make some extra money, or have chosen to do it because we can make more money with flexible hours than we would if we were working behind a desk.

Where else in this economy can I leave with 300 dollars in my pocket after a busy weekend shift. Sure I am busting my butt for the entire double, and you have to deal with jerks and people who stiff you, but I have given them really good service, well made drinks, and made their night out fun.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
Cripes.

I can't believe the premise of this OP. It's a sad reflection on modern ethics.

Look, there are few who despise the un-sustainability and crass consumerism that most, if not all, companies represent more than me and certainly Capitalism hasn't been a boon to humanity but.. two wrongs don't make a right. Integrity is how you conduct yourself when no one is looking and decency is maintaining propriety despite the culture in which you find yourself.

Integrity and decency, two uniquely human qualities and, indeed, virtues.

People will not prevail against corporations - who seek to exploit us - by adopting their own ruthless tactics. We will prevail by realizing and reestablishing our humanity and thus our superiority.

Originally posted by kosmicjack

Originally posted by bacci0909 It is NOT that big of a deal

Except for the inconvenient fact that it's simply wrong.

I agree on both issues.

Suddenly people are throwing out morality, and then they justify it as, "Well... He got away with it!"

Its sad.