US video of old bin Laden branded fake

reply to post by Uncle Gravity


That sought to be funny reference doesn't really help out any side of the argument.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
re-directs to Akami Technologies

72.247.242.49

Possible CIA Front

Wow, just wow, settle down. Akami specialise in content delivery networks (CDN's) amongst other things. The reason you're seeing it redirect is because it's loading your link from a closer server to you so it loads faster. Reduced ping equals reduced page load time.

It obviously redirected you to a server closer to your country, state or suburb.

Although if you look at their Wikipedia article it says this: "The company was founded in 1998 by then-MIT graduate student Daniel Lewin, and MIT Applied Mathematics professor Tom Leighton. Lewin was killed aboard American Airlines flight 11 which crashed in the September 11 attacks of 2001. Leighton still serves as Akamai's Chief Scientist."

Creepy, very creepy, but nothing to worry about.

Originally posted by primetime2123
when you look at this link..there is no way hell those are the same ears
www.prisonplanet.com...

czar1027 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 8:34 am

Big fail here. The ears are very similar. Scale them and tilt them to the same angles and you will see they match up.

Nuff said? Love it how they try saying they look different completely ignoring the angle of the shots

reply to post by IrvingTheExplainer


I'm left handed but use my right hand for quite a few things. I confuse people all the time by switching back and forth.

I don't know if the video is real or not, I don't have enough information to make an opinion but I thought i'd let you know that it can't be judged on left/right handedness.

Fair enough. Just going my my experience. I haven't decide fake or not, either.

Although, I have played the drums on and off for over 40 years, I can't do much else very well with my left hand.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by primetime2123
when you look at this link..there is no way hell those are the same ears
www.prisonplanet.com...

czar1027 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 8:34 am

Big fail here. The ears are very similar. Scale them and tilt them to the same angles and you will see they match up.

Nuff said? Love it how they try saying they look different completely ignoring the angle of the shots

Irrelevant, according to inside sources, and reports from those who have seen the most recent versions of the pictures claim that his eye socket and ear are both severely damaged by the bullet entry and exit wounds.

Just happens to be the same eye, and ear in question here.

Amazingly convenient, and absolutely 100% true... Don't believe me? check around for accounts from those who have seen the pictures.

reply to post by guessing


When it disproves all the conspiracy theorists the videos have to be claimed fakes because people like that don't want to hinder their sales of their survival equipment. I wouldn't ever expect one to come out that disproves all of these theories to not be branded fake.

reply to post by guessing


I don't believe a word that the MSM writes. It gets worse all the time because their tangled web of lies gets harder to weave. And what about OBL's name being change by the MSM from Osama to Usama? What d' heck? It was only done in order to have less confusion when writing or reading the two and heaven knows, we wouldn't want to confuse those two (even though they are both muzlims from the middle east!)

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


I suppose on the other side of his head he must have different looking sense organs then It's just as much as relevant as it is to claim they don't match in the images. That claim was easily debunked.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by primetime2123
when you look at this link..there is no way hell those are the same ears
www.prisonplanet.com...

czar1027 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 8:34 am

Big fail here. The ears are very similar. Scale them and tilt them to the same angles and you will see they match up.

Nuff said? Love it how they try saying they look different completely ignoring the angle of the shots

someone is blind...doesn't matter if one is was 180 degrees upside down or the other was 59 degrees sideways...it is obvious to anyone and I mean anyone that the inside of that ear is not the same shape.....the real bin laden on the right inisde of his ear looks like an embryo (no sharp angles just circular) while the inside of the ear of the fake bin alden looks like someone with a trenchcoat bending over (extremely sharp right angle and much bigger) and it is massive by the way

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by primetime2123
when you look at this link..there is no way hell those are the same ears
www.prisonplanet.com...

czar1027 Says:
May 9th, 2011 at 8:34 am

Big fail here. The ears are very similar. Scale them and tilt them to the same angles and you will see they match up.

Nuff said? Love it how they try saying they look different completely ignoring the angle of the shots

Irrelevant, according to inside sources, and reports from those who have seen the most recent versions of the pictures claim that his eye socket and ear are both severely damaged by the bullet entry and exit wounds.

Just happens to be the same eye, and ear in question here.

Amazingly convenient, and absolutely 100% true... Don't believe me? check around for accounts from those who have seen the pictures.

so he got shot after 2001 then huh ?? and getting shot make your ears bigger too ??

Originally posted by primetime2123

someone is blind...doesn't matter if one is was 180 degrees upside down or the other was 59 degrees sideways...it is obvious to anyone and I mean anyone that the inside of that ear is not the same shape...

Someone sure is. If it is obvious to anyone then howcome no experts in photography have come out and said it? As far as I know there isn't any. If there is however then post the link please.

reply to post by primetime2123


Well matter of fact it does matter. You can't compare these pictures and say that this is proof. Your looking at the ear from a different perspective and its bound to look different. Its not really hard to understand. I just looked through some of my Facebook pictures and it reassures me that I'm even more right.

I've been lurking on ATS for a long time. I joined not too long ago. I've been waiting for someone to kind of start down this line of thinking because I can not start a thread of my own and wanted my post to be relevant to the discussion. The line of thinking being the right vs left hand and the remote. I hope you find this relative along those lines of thinking.

I watched the live announcement of this event last week. As the story changed I followed the details. As new information was released I read it. As "new" videos were released I watched them. Some things were taken out of context or misquoted such as Panetta saying they didn't have video for 25 minutes. He said,
"there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn’t know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information." Depending on what feed they were watching, where that person was in the compound etc. a whole host of factors could have been the cause of his "not knowing."

Sorry that's just a side note to let you know that I'm not just looking to confirm the official story or conspire against the official story (stories). Jumping on that one issue ("lost" video feed) is the sort of thing that gives people ammo to question any legitimate question.

Anyway, on to my point. I read an article that showed a Jan 2010 press conference side-by-side with a screen shot from the "old man compound video" (omcv). I didn't think anything of it at the time. That is until I watched the omcv myself. There was just something odd about the whole thing to me. I watched it through a couple times. As I was watching it I remembered the article I had read. The article was basically talking about how they were able to date the omcv based on this press conference. So I went back and watched the video again and focused on the tv. This is were things started to look a bit off to me.

I don't know if any of you have watched the omcv and just focused on the tv. The channel guide covers the screen 90% of the time. The press conference screen grab, no joke, is about two frames. You have to go back and pause within those couple of frames to see what flashes on the screen. Stick with me here I'm getting to my point. The images that are flashed briefly on the screen build their own narrative within the narrative of the omcv as a whole.

I'll cut to the chase here. This is where it gets good. Everyone has habits. Most people have daily habits that they are second nature to them. In fact they are so second nature and without a second thought that you probably don't give someone else's habitual nature a thought. Folks, you can focus on the ears, the beard, the hairline even the curious narrative that is being told on the 52" flat screen (I mean the barely color tube tv) in the "million dollar mansion."

But It's the little things that matter. The minutiae of everyday that gets overlooked. It gets overlooked by those performing the task unless something breaks that habit–that minutiae the thing you have grown so accustom to. Especially if that something is something you wear. It may be a wedding ring. Do you wear it on your right ring finger or left ring finger? Maybe it's a school ring. Perhaps, and let just say for the sake of argument it's a watch. I personally don't wear a watch. So if I had one on it would feel very uncomfortable and unnatural to me. If you do wear a watch, right or left arm? Do you switch it up just to throw yourself off on occasion? I'm guessing you don't. I'm guessing have been wearing a watch on that same arm for forever. My dad wears a watch, my brother wears a watch, my wife wears one. They don't even think about it being on their arm because they have been wearing it that way for forever. If they were to put it on their other arm, they would feel like me wearing a watch not like they have been wearing a watch their entire life.

I think you get my point, it wouldn't occur to them to put it on their other arm. What arm was preferred by OBL? I've provided a couple of links to help you out. Spoiler alert, his right. So why was the old man in the video wearing a watch on his left arm? I looked at the ears. I couldn't find a picture that was clear enough and the lighting right to compare. Ears are a giveaway but the quality and lighting of the video compared to the pictures were not enough to give anything away. But then I saw the watch. I don't really know what to make of it. I can only ask why is it on that arm? I've done the facial comparisons. I work in the Adobe suits everyday and I couldn't come to any conclusive facial or ear comparison without altering one of the pictures in some fashion to match the other and that would negate any findings anyway. I couldn't find a one to one comparison, meaning left profile slightly above and behind. But the watch stands out to me and begs to be answered. With so many different reports of what happened, if it happened, did he actual die a long time ago, I was just looking for something conclusive. I thought the ears would be the answer perhaps a mole, freckle or scar. I didn't set out with a watch in mind but that is the one conclusive comparison that I could find. And to be honest I think it's a pretty big one.

One more thing to look at if your so inclined is the ring. Some pictures/videos with a ring, some without. If on it's always worn on the right ring finger or not at all. The only exception being "latest" videos released right before the old man compound video where the ring is on the right hand pinky finger. Did he put on weight and have to move to the pinky? Did he find a jeweler in the mountainous region to size it down for him? Maybe his fingers are all the same size and decided this one time to change things up and go with the pinky look.

I can't start threads so I hope I'm not hijacking this thread with my findings but I thought it was important enough to get to a few people. Maybe someone can start a thread with my info or we can keep this thread going.

That hand thing again and now it's a watch. Fyi that indicates absolutely nothing. There is no law of nature that if you're a left hander you have to have your watch in your right hand.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
That hand thing again and now it's a watch.

Fyi that indicates absolutely nothing. There is no law of nature that if you're a left hander you have to have your watch in your right hand.

yeah..I am sure people wear watches on different hands all the time.... just kidding I have never seen that in my entire life..

reply to post by primetime2123


Left handed people such as myself are quite often ambidextrous due to having grown up in a world built for and by right handed people. As a youth I did things like wear my watch on my left hand because I thought you wore your watch on your left for some reason. While that was obviously quite silly, I can write more legibly with my right hand than many of my right handed friends do. They cannot even begin to write with their off hands. That just really seems like a reach to someone who is left handed.

Unless, he injured his left hand and has had to use his right hand as the dominant hand, and therefore, also switched the watch to the left hand.

To me, he doesn't look comfortable using the remote. Could be from what I said above or that he's just getting old.

Originally posted by tristar
The video in question.

Sorry people but for some reason that Youtube account has been terminated

reply to post by PsykoOps


I think you missed my point. Dominant hand is not the issue. My point wasn't he must be left handed because he wears his watch on his right arm. I could care less if he is right or left handed.

My point is wearing a watch on a certain arm your entire life, be it right or left. And then switching that watch to the other arm. Pretty much you pick an arm and stick with it. There are no pictures or videos showing him wearing a watch on his left arm. That's my point. I'm sorry you can't seem to grasp how little and how absolutely huge this is at the same time. The devil is in the details.

If you wear a watch, give it i a try. Switch it to the other arm. See how natural it is to you not only to put on the other arm but also how often you look at the arm you typically wear it on. You'll find out pretty quickly how second nature it has become and how unnatural switching it would be.

Also, let's say your setting up a scene to be filmed. You get the clothes right. You get the hair color right. You get the images on the tv right. You wear a watch on your left arm, do check to see what arm the person being filmed is wearing their watch? Or is it so second nature that you don't even pay attention?

Their are a lot of differences in our culture and theirs. Would you be so busy paying attention to the other details making sure you get them right that you overlook one detail that crosses cultures? Something as simple as a watch. I would say that would be an easy thing to overlook in this context.