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I hope this doesn't come off as mean, but can you back up all your claims with citations? We can't just take your word for it
NAIS Supporters Fighting Dirty
I purchased vendor space at a recent Horse Expo in my state. The purpose (clearly spelled out to the expo organizers) was three fold: to promote the Hackney Horse, to market my hay (income) and to provide information for horse owners on NAIS. All was fine until my State Dept of Agriculture found out that I would be there as they had purchased vendor space as well. They succeeded in having me banned from the expo because I would be a 'negative influence'!
After a week of deliberation and consultation with 3 attorneys (who are also anti-NAIS activists), the decision was made to contact the American Civil Liberties Union. I never had much use for the ACLU before but their purpose IS to protect our constitutional right and this was clearly a violation of my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Think about it, political candidates are allowed to tell their side of any issue so why should I not be allowed to tell mine? The ACLU took my case - the first one in the USA involving NAIS - and went after my State Dept of Ag.
My State Dept of Ag vehemently denied any wrongdoing. They turfed it all on the shoulders of the expo organizers, claiming that they simply asked that they be moved to another location in the expo away from me.
Technically it should have stopped there, as the ACLU does not normally go after a private corporation in matters like this. But the ACLU believed the whole story 'stunk of censorship' and did not buy the State Dept of Ag's excuse. They then had conversations with the expo organizers and a very interesting story emerged in where even names were named from my State Dept of Ag. They informed the expo organizers that I had been at a huge Farm Expo last August (Untrue as I working). They claimed that I harassed people, was rude and obnoxious and had even caused a riot to break out over NAIS! They also stated that they were 'in fear of being on the same grounds' as me for fear that I would cause another riot. Of course the expo organizers made the decision to ban me. Who wouldn't after hearing such a story from a govt agency? My first reaction was to laugh over this absolutely ridiculous 'story' then I really got angry. I was NOT at said Farm Expo but I did know people who attended. NO riot broke out!
My State Dept of Ag also provided the expo organizers with numerous e-mails that I had written about NAIS - going back an entire year. I saw these e-mails from our State Dept of Ag with my own eyes. It was then that I realized they are actually tracking me on the internet..... www.horsegazette.com...
You forgot the main one, the freedom to live....simply living. Property tax forces you to engage in some form of legal commerce to pay the state, lest they take the land for failure to pay.
There is a common misconception that everyone needs to know that needs to be debunked and that is the Congress or whoever can literately sign and pass a million laws restricting and amending our rights and freedoms but ultimately it is up to you,
FIJA seeks to require that juries be informed of their nullification rights. Informed jury amendments have been filed as an initiative in seven states and legislation has been introduced in the Alaska state legislature.
...the right of juries to judge both the law and the facts -- to nullify the law if it chose -- became part of British constitutional law.
It ultimately became part of American constitutional law as well, but you'd never know it listening to jury instructions today almost anywhere in the country....
Now a remarkable coalition has sprung up to challenge this secrecy as undemocratic, unconstitutional and dangerous. Though organized by libertarian activists, the Fully Informed Jury Amendment movement includes liberals and conservatives...
...many groups in this country feel the government has overstepped its power in some way and that there must be protection for the natural rights of American citizens. They are defending not only the right to protest or carry a gun or not wear seatbelts but challenging the right of the government to decide such matters without the mediating effect of a jury's judgement of fairness in a particular case.
Originally posted by maestromason
reply to post by IPILYA
The term is "debt" not "dept".
Your very long winded response just proved to be futility at its finest.
That is how I LIVE. One thing about being an analyst, you deal with just the facts which you did not.
Do you live in the States? if yes, then you pay taxes.
Do you own property? if yes, then you pay taxes.
Do you do business in the US, if yes then you pay taxes
Are you in the top 2 percentile? If yes then all of the above does not apply!
I worked all my life and it never felt like it because I DO WHAT I LOVE, not what I have to do.
The 98% do what they have to do, I DO AS I PLEASE!
As for being wealthy it pays to keep your nose in the proper know.
That is the way it is, don't hate me for being successful, and if you ever want to have a "meeting of the minds" just name the place and make sure that you have 10 minutes for me to put you in your place!
*Hey ATS owners & Admins, I though you guys were doing something about these bot, and rule breakers!edit on 11-5-2011 by maestromason because: *damn bots
It gets worse every year too. Property taxes keep on climbing every year, yet my earnings stay about the same. So that means I have to work longer days just to keep up. If it continues, in 5 years I will have to work 7 days a week... Something's gotta give.
In 1976 A typical American CEO earned 36 times as much as the average worker. By 2008 the average CEO pay increased to 369 times that of the average worker. timelines.ws...
According to an article in The New Republic of Dec. 2, 1991, in 1948, a married couple with median income and two children, paid only 2% in state, federal, and Social Security taxes. In 1999, Social Security was 15.3%, plus 2.9% for Medicare, out of the first $62,700 in wages, or $11,411.40, and then perhaps 30% in federal taxes…if you were lucky.... www.gold-eagle.com...
Originally posted by maestromason
I know the IRS would LOVE to sit in here and listen to this fodder being chewed. Taxes are not that big of a deal, if you are in that bracket...Pay them, simple and plain!
Taxes seems to strike a chord in some people, you were BORN UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION, and therefor you abide by the US laws.
IPILYA the Digresser, the above facts still remain after lengthy, opinionated rhetoric.
Only a simpleton would think that taxes keep people down. Someone has to pay them it is...
The American Way!
it costs!
Just a few examples that don't apply to where I live:
Warburg's associates said, "Paul, what are you doing? We don't want those in there this is our bill." And his response was this, he said, "Relax fellas, don't you get it? Our object is to get the bill passed. We can fix it up later." Those were his exact words. "We can fix it up later."
Warburg was right and they fixed it up later. The Federal Reserve Act since it was passed has been amended over 100 times. www.bigeye.com...
"in any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST."
Please, Somebody explain how we are free, if we have to work 40 hrs a week to live?
Modern slavery
"There is nobody more enslaved than somebody who falsely believes they are free"
2009– Year of the Slave
You are a slave. You probably do not realize it, but you are.
Movies and public school like to portray slaves as bound by chains and beaten with whips, creating a polarized image of slavery that can be pointed to with the comment, “You are not like that, therefore you are not a slave.” But history shows that slaves have been treated in all manner of ways, some more cruel than others, yet even with the most kind treatment, a slave remains a slave.
Setting aside the stereotyped image of a slave as a bleeding chain-bound wretch, slaves throughout history are often hard to recognize. In some cases, such as the Medieval Serfs, they were held slaves to the rulers by religious belief, and did not see themselves as slaves even though they were treated as such.The favored slaves of Asian potentates wore jewels to make a movie star gasp, yet were still slaves for all their finery and comfort.
So, what is a slave? How do we define a slave? What test do we use to tell if someone is a slave. What makes them different from free people?
Free people can say “no”. Free people can refuse demands for their money, time, and children. Slaves cannot. There is no freedom without the freedom to say “no”. If someone demands that you do something and you can say “no” and refuse to do it, then you are a free human being. If you can be forced to do something or surrender something that you do not wish to, then you are a slave. No other test need be applied.
Freedom is the freedom to say "no."
When you are forced to surrender half your life’s work to the government in ever-increasing taxes, then you are a slave. Throughout history, slaves were expected to perform the work needed for their own upkeep, then perform additional work for the rulers. For Roman slaves, the ratio of work-for-self versus work-for-rulers was about 50-50. The same ratio applied to Medieval Serfs, and even to the slaves of the American south. And, when you add up all the overt taxes, covert fees, tariffs, excises, plus the increased price you pay for products to pay the taxes of the companies that make those products, you will find that Americans are at that same “half-for-self” versus “half-for-rulers” ratio! Can you say “no” to the confiscation of half of your life? Can you even get the masters to maybe reduce the burden by a significant amount? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.
The masters have decided they want wars on anyone living over oil. The idea is that it is better for American corporations to steal the oil they need than to pay for it. Millions of Americans (and millions more around the globe) did not want the war, but the masters started them anyway, by lying to the people. Could you refuse the war? Can you refuse being lied to? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.
The rulers want your children for their future wars. Legislation for a draft is already in Congress. Can you refuse the confiscation of your children? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.
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whatreallyhappened.com...
It makes me wonder what fond memories my little one will have.
Don't blame the government. Blame the stupid few that need rules like this because of a lack of social ettiquette. I am glad that I am protected from my neighbor putting in a hog lot without approval. Some things are just to thwart stupidity of the few.
The freedom of speech and the right to question our government is a right we still have for the moment,...
On a spring day in 1918 several government agents entered a print shop at Washington, D. C., where the original edition of this book was being printed. "Destroy all the Lindbergh plates in your plant," they told the head of the institution. He was forced to comply. The hysteria of war-time brooked no delays. Not only were the plates of this book "Why Is Your Country at War?" destroyed, but also the plates of Congressman Lindbergh's book "Banking and Currency," written in 1913 and attacking the big bankers and Federal Reserve Law. So was the painstaking effort of months wiped out. Only a few hundred copies of this book had been printed, and they were sent to Minnesota for use in Congressman Lindbergh's campaign for the governorship of that state.
www.campaignforliberty.com...
www.apfn.org...
...I then wrote up my findings to date, and in 1950 began efforts to market this manuscript in New York. Eighteen publishers turned it down without comment, but the nineteenth, Devin Garrity, president of Devin Adair Publishing Company, gave me some friendly advice in his office. "I like your book, but we can’t print it," he told me. "Neither can anybody else in New York. Why don’t you bring in a prospectus for your novel, and I think we can give you an advance. You may as well forget about getting the Federal Reserve book published. I doubt if it could ever be printed."
This was devastating news, coming after two years of intensive work. I reported back to Pound, and we tried to find a publisher in other parts of the country. After two years of fruitless submissions, the book was published in a small edition in 1952 by two of Pound’s disciples, John Kasper and David Horton, using their private funds...
In 1954, a second edition, with unauthorized alterations, was published in New Jersey, as The Federal Reserve Conspiracy. In 1955, Guido Roeder brought out a German edition in Oberammergau, Germany. The book was seized and the entire edition of 10,000 copies burned by government agents led by Dr. Otto John.
The burning of the book was upheld April 21, 1961 by judge Israel Katz of the Bavarian Supreme Court. The U.S. Government refused to intervene, because U.S. High Commissioner to Germany, James B. Conant (president of Harvard University 1933 to 1953), had approved the initial book burning order....
Originally posted by IPILYA
Originally posted by maestromason
I know the IRS would LOVE to sit in here and listen to this fodder being chewed. Taxes are not that big of a deal, if you are in that bracket...Pay them, simple and plain!
Taxes seems to strike a chord in some people, you were BORN UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION, and therefor you abide by the US laws.
IPILYA the Digresser, the above facts still remain after lengthy, opinionated rhetoric.
Only a simpleton would think that taxes keep people down. Someone has to pay them it is...
The American Way!
it costs!
The problem I have with this statement is that we are "Delivered" free Human beings covered by not under the Constitution and it is the deceit of the Government creating "Birth" bonds that force the people to "Stand Under" Statute Law. It is obvious you have no idea what this means to the American Person versus the American Citizen versus the American Human.
Secondly, lets take the smokers out there as an example. Approximately 1/3 of the people smoke(this is dropping thankfully), however more and more taxes are being implemented on these products without enough votes to stop it because of the majority rule. Smokers are not the only ones being singled out but those in the minority are, as again they can not come up with the vote.
Originally posted by maestromason
Originally posted by IPILYA
Originally posted by maestromason
I know the IRS would LOVE to sit in here and listen to this fodder being chewed. Taxes are not that big of a deal, if you are in that bracket...Pay them, simple and plain!
Taxes seems to strike a chord in some people, you were BORN UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION, and therefor you abide by the US laws.
IPILYA the Digresser, the above facts still remain after lengthy, opinionated rhetoric.
Only a simpleton would think that taxes keep people down. Someone has to pay them it is...
The American Way!
it costs!
The problem I have with this statement is that we are "Delivered" free Human beings covered by not under the Constitution and it is the deceit of the Government creating "Birth" bonds that force the people to "Stand Under" Statute Law. It is obvious you have no idea what this means to the American Person versus the American Citizen versus the American Human.
Secondly, lets take the smokers out there as an example. Approximately 1/3 of the people smoke(this is dropping thankfully), however more and more taxes are being implemented on these products without enough votes to stop it because of the majority rule. Smokers are not the only ones being singled out but those in the minority are, as again they can not come up with the vote.
Are you some kind of activist or something?
You keep on trying to evoke opinion from me with these readily available Googled facts that you are bringing up!
I am a MAN, FREEBORN under the United States constitution. If you were not born in the US then this does not apply to you. You just hate the fact that YOU have government to answer to as an authoritative entity.
I AM A MAN. -fact
I AM NOT YOU. -fact
I abide by law. -fact
I operate unhindered under the US constitution and have no problems with it. -fact
I have personally traversed the globe, and DO AS I PLEASE on it! -fact
WHEREVER I travel on the globe I will be received, and have my will executed! -fact
I mean wtf you want from me?
I see you are of XX nature, and will not expound on that for you will find an argument in that as well.
You are not in my niche, ok?
I AM TRULY A FREEBORN MAN.:, and you apparently ARE NOT. live with it or build something to change it!
You seem deprived of something, what I know not of but definitely deprived!
I will not elaborate further on my worldly capabilities for the people who know me have known me here on ATS ALL MY LIFE.
Facts are immutable and thus cannot be disputed, only shared and discussed!
Originally posted by maestromason
reply to post by IPILYA
So there you have it in a nutshell, do not attempt to engage me in any conversation on any other thread, for I will not entertain you or your rhetoric.
I need no links, other than the links in my cable tow!
, and you are OPINIONATED without fact and biased, for you do not know me. Another thing, try and follow the rules and regulations of ATS next time(NO LONG QUOTES) Mr. Sovereign but under the US Constitution and thus abides under Laws that you do not like and therefor complain about, keep it 100! YOU ARE A SLAVE, NOT I.
You pay for your existence, I do not. So you have learned not to assume anything about people you do not know!
I AM THAT I AM.: